Comments on: USB 3.0 Finalized at 4.8 Gbps? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:39:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Vlad http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1419542 Vlad Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:04:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1419542 #19 Isn't it the story with any contractor job, not just former Soviet engineers? :) #19 Isn’t it the story with any contractor job, not just former Soviet engineers? :)

]]> By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1418831 Glenn E. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:46:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1418831 The other thing that I recalled about these super collider projects is this. The ones being build over in Europe are most likely just an excuse to employ ex-Soviet physicists, so they won't build nukes for Islamic terrorists or nations. That the collider still isn't working, isn't much of a surprise. They don't want to be put out of work, too soon, by finishing it. The other thing that I recalled about these super collider projects is this. The ones being build over in Europe are most likely just an excuse to employ ex-Soviet physicists, so they won’t build nukes for Islamic terrorists or nations. That the collider still isn’t working, isn’t much of a surprise. They don’t want to be put out of work, too soon, by finishing it.

]]> By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1418816 Glenn E. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:17:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1418816 Weren't they building this multi-billion dollar super collider down in Texas, until its cost overruns killed it? I read once that rodents were gnawing on the miles of cabling. Billions of dollars spend, and not a penny on anything to keep the rats out. Well that project got canned, because they simply couldn't justify its steep price tag to Congress. And hearing that the Hadron Collider is suffering costly problems too, only makes me glad that the US taxpayers aren't footing the bill this time. Weren’t they building this multi-billion dollar super collider down in Texas, until its cost overruns killed it? I read once that rodents were gnawing on the miles of cabling. Billions of dollars spend, and not a penny on anything to keep the rats out. Well that project got canned, because they simply couldn’t justify its steep price tag to Congress. And hearing that the Hadron Collider is suffering costly problems too, only makes me glad that the US taxpayers aren’t footing the bill this time.

]]> By: QB http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417993 QB Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:58:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417993 Apple just moved off firewire for their laptops but will probably continue to support it on desktops, especially the pros, for a while. iPods haven't had the cable for a while. The costs weren't huge, Apple (and others) renegotiated the licensing in 1999 from USD$1 per unit to USD.25 per unit. That price set the standard for other major licensees like Dell and Compaq/HP. Dallas is right, consumer video is really driving it's demise. That was a Sony and their friends fighting Intel and Canon. A lot of graphics guys use firewire so they are giving them time to upgrade. The last pocket drive I bought has both. What makes it fast, though, is the 7200 rpm rating. Apple just moved off firewire for their laptops but will probably continue to support it on desktops, especially the pros, for a while. iPods haven’t had the cable for a while.

The costs weren’t huge, Apple (and others) renegotiated the licensing in 1999 from USD$1 per unit to USD.25 per unit. That price set the standard for other major licensees like Dell and Compaq/HP. Dallas is right, consumer video is really driving it’s demise. That was a Sony and their friends fighting Intel and Canon.

A lot of graphics guys use firewire so they are giving them time to upgrade. The last pocket drive I bought has both. What makes it fast, though, is the 7200 rpm rating.

]]> By: Dallas http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417984 Dallas Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:43:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417984 Firewire has no future. It died when Apple dropped it several years ago. Even then, it was niche as the licensing was so steep that the PC industry dumped it and then finally Apple. The TV manufactures and the Set Top Box suppliers also DUMPING firewire as a protected content port. Most consumer video recording equipment also on USB now. Angry James Hill needs to come to terms that everything he likes is lost, dying or dead. Give up that floppy drive too, James. Firewire has no future. It died when Apple dropped it several years ago. Even then, it was niche as the licensing was so steep that the PC industry dumped it and then finally Apple.

The TV manufactures and the Set Top Box suppliers also DUMPING firewire as a protected content port. Most consumer video recording equipment also on USB now.

Angry James Hill needs to come to terms that everything he likes is lost, dying or dead. Give up that floppy drive too, James.

]]> By: Paddy-O http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417960 Paddy-O Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:58:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417960 # 7 James Hill said, "Firewire is dead? Then why do they keep selling drives with FW connections, and why does the video editing industry still use it?" What % of new PCs ship with FW connection? # 7 James Hill said, “Firewire is dead? Then why do they keep selling drives with FW connections, and why does the video editing industry still use it?”

What % of new PCs ship with FW connection?

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417914 pedro Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:47:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417914 #13 C'mon Greg, don't go bursting macfans bubbles. You know they don't appreciate that. On the other hand, it's Stevereeno's godspell, it's #7's job to know it. He should thank you. #13 C’mon Greg, don’t go bursting macfans bubbles. You know they don’t appreciate that. On the other hand, it’s Stevereeno’s godspell, it’s #7′s job to know it. He should thank you.

]]> By: GregA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417912 GregA Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:41:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417912 #7, Steve Jobbs says you don't need firewire. http://www.macuser.com/hardware/steve_says_you_dont_need_firew.php?lsrc=murss Not only is it dead, but the corpse has been buried and people are now forgetting about it. #7,

Steve Jobbs says you don’t need firewire.

http://www.macuser.com/hardware/steve_says_you_dont_need_firew.php?lsrc=murss

Not only is it dead, but the corpse has been buried and people are now forgetting about it.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417858 pedro Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:55:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417858 and slower and slower

]]> By: JoaoPT http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417808 JoaoPT Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:16:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417808 #10 Whaddayamean? Firewire works dandy! It's just pricier, and not as widely supported by mobo manufacturers... #10
Whaddayamean? Firewire works dandy! It’s just pricier, and not as widely supported by mobo manufacturers…

]]> By: Chris Mac http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417783 Chris Mac Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:49:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417783 USB works. Firewire doesn't. USB works. Firewire doesn’t.

]]> By: Bernard_Marx http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417684 Bernard_Marx Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:41:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417684 USB 3.0 will also transmit more power which will cut back on the time it takes to recharge connected mp3 players, etc. USB 3.0 will also transmit more power which will cut back on the time it takes to recharge connected mp3 players, etc.

]]> By: QB http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417617 QB Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:16:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417617 Sergeant Shultz - nice. Sun is going to need more than free software to get people to buy their hardware. They didn't jump into bed with the enterprise software vendors (SAP, Oracle, Siebel, etc) to make their software run best on the Sun platform and let Microsoft (of all people) do that. Now Microsoft is killing everyone in the enterprise server market while Dell and HP supply commodity hardware. Now here's the really ironic part. Java Servers run better on a frickin' 32 bit Windows server than on a big honkin' Niagara server. Saavy. Sergeant Shultz – nice.

Sun is going to need more than free software to get people to buy their hardware.

They didn’t jump into bed with the enterprise software vendors (SAP, Oracle, Siebel, etc) to make their software run best on the Sun platform and let Microsoft (of all people) do that. Now Microsoft is killing everyone in the enterprise server market while Dell and HP supply commodity hardware.

Now here’s the really ironic part. Java Servers run better on a frickin’ 32 bit Windows server than on a big honkin’ Niagara server. Saavy.

]]> By: James Hill http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417613 James Hill Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:09:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417613 Firewire is dead? Then why do they keep selling drives with FW connections, and why does the video editing industry still use it? Don't get pissy now: We're used to you being wrong. Firewire is dead? Then why do they keep selling drives with FW connections, and why does the video editing industry still use it?

Don’t get pissy now: We’re used to you being wrong.

]]> By: GregA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/18/usb-30-finalized-at-48-gbps/comment-page-1/#comment-1417599 GregA Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:36:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31672#comment-1417599 #5, Well from a consumer point of view... If I record an hour of HD video on my cam corder... That is maybe what??? 2-3 gig tops, and takes maybe a minute or three to transer to my computer on plain old usb 2.0... With many core processors becoming the norm negating the host bus complaints... Firewire is dead... I guess USB 3.0 and whatever the next firewire is have a future in copying obsessive compulsive porn addicts child porn collection... but outside of that application not really seeing the application there. Im sticking with USB 2.0 for now and forseeable future. Also, why would I would to hook a firewire cable to my cable or satelite box? For that application it is easier just to go to internet and download it. Fallout 3 for example, is a meager 6.2 gig and that took less than two hours for me to download over steam... I totally get more cores on processors, bigger hard drives, more ram, more internet bandwidth, but USB 2.0 is basically fast enough. I doubt my camcorder could feed data and firewire or USB 3+ speeds. Even on my digital picture frame, which I have enhanced with video files (pan and zoom pictures) rather than just picture show with transitions... It takes longer for the thing to reboot than it does to fill its 512Mb of memory... #5,

Well from a consumer point of view… If I record an hour of HD video on my cam corder… That is maybe what??? 2-3 gig tops, and takes maybe a minute or three to transer to my computer on plain old usb 2.0… With many core processors becoming the norm negating the host bus complaints…

Firewire is dead…

I guess USB 3.0 and whatever the next firewire is have a future in copying obsessive compulsive porn addicts child porn collection… but outside of that application not really seeing the application there.

Im sticking with USB 2.0 for now and forseeable future. Also, why would I would to hook a firewire cable to my cable or satelite box? For that application it is easier just to go to internet and download it. Fallout 3 for example, is a meager 6.2 gig and that took less than two hours for me to download over steam…

I totally get more cores on processors, bigger hard drives, more ram, more internet bandwidth, but USB 2.0 is basically fast enough. I doubt my camcorder could feed data and firewire or USB 3+ speeds.

Even on my digital picture frame, which I have enhanced with video files (pan and zoom pictures) rather than just picture show with transitions… It takes longer for the thing to reboot than it does to fill its 512Mb of memory…

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