Comments on: Africa beats GM with first electric car http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:49:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ramgarden http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1420761 ramgarden Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:38:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1420761 Don't forget about the 600 HP 100% electric Ford F150. It has a 150 HP electric motor in each wheel. Putting the motor in the wheels leaves more room for batteries. The cool thing about batteries is that you run around on the cheapest batteries at first, then after a few years when the price of batteries with better range comes down you can simply replace them like you would in your TV remote. Also, there is enough grid capacity at night to handle millions of electric cars charging while we sleep (when everyone turns all the lights and TVs off all at once) without adding a single power plant. Some power companies even charge less at night if you install a time-of-use meter on your house. You can make even more money by taking the money you would be spending each month on gas ($100-$300+) and use it to pay for solar panels on your roof. You can then charge your car for FREE and it will be zero emissions. Go here for facts and figures and more EV info: http://www.pluginamerica.org/what-are-plugins.shtm Don’t forget about the 600 HP 100% electric Ford F150. It has a 150 HP electric motor in each wheel. Putting the motor in the wheels leaves more room for batteries. The cool thing about batteries is that you run around on the cheapest batteries at first, then after a few years when the price of batteries with better range comes down you can simply replace them like you would in your TV remote. Also, there is enough grid capacity at night to handle millions of electric cars charging while we sleep (when everyone turns all the lights and TVs off all at once) without adding a single power plant. Some power companies even charge less at night if you install a time-of-use meter on your house. You can make even more money by taking the money you would be spending each month on gas ($100-$300+) and use it to pay for solar panels on your roof. You can then charge your car for FREE and it will be zero emissions. Go here for facts and figures and more EV info: http://www.pluginamerica.org/what-are-plugins.shtm

]]> By: pumpkin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1420082 pumpkin Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:03:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1420082 Re:#9,#18 & #30; I don't know where to start, most people own and use an appropriate vehicle for their needs. I own a 3/4 4x4 pickup that gets 14mpg but only use it for towing and hauling. For commuting and shopping chores we use two small front drive cars that get almost 30 mpg. certainly one of these small cars could be replaced by a small electric car - if it is affordable. I would not expect the electric to replace the truck, but the electric probably would get the most use day to day. Re:#9,#18 & #30;
I don’t know where to start, most people own and use an appropriate vehicle for their needs. I own a 3/4 4×4 pickup that gets 14mpg but only use it for towing and hauling. For commuting and shopping chores we use two small front drive cars that get almost 30 mpg. certainly one of these small cars could be replaced by a small electric car – if it is affordable. I would not expect the electric to replace the truck, but the electric probably would get the most use day to day.

]]> By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1420063 Misanthropic Scott Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:38:23 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1420063 I want one. I have to wait until Manhattan garages have a way to charge a car for a fee. But, I want one. #4 Paddy-O-Troll, <i>“It takes 7 hours to fully charge batteries using an ordinary 220 volt home outlet.” Nice toy. Not really something anyone I know could replace their current vehicle with.</i> You're right. I mean who sleeps more than 7 hours a day? Who drives less than 400 clicks a day? 95% of Americans? 98%? I don't know. But, I bet it's most of us. Of course you and your friends driving over 17 hours a day on amphetamines can't use it. But, for the rest of us ... #5 - Higghawker, <i>Just wondering?? Anyone have any cost related comparisons to electric vs. petrol? It says here that 7 hours fully charges one for a certain amount of mileage, but where are the cost figures? If my electric car costs me double to run, is it worth it? I also wonder about if our electric grid is ready for this infusion of high charge electric vehicles?</i> On cost: an electric motor is about 80% efficient. A gasoline motor is about 35-40% efficient. So, in general, even where electricity is expensive, the cost of driving is much lower. So is the cost of maintenance. With fewer moving parts, electric cars need little maintenance. As for the grid, two things: 1) most people will charge at night, when there is plenty of extra capacity and 2) People are looking into the possibility of electric cars and hybrids as a possible energy storage means. For point 2, many are looking into the possibility of making the electricity flow both ways. Charge at night. Drive to work. Plug in. During the day, if more electricity is needed on the grid, some would be taken from cars, and the owners compensated. It would level the demand so that we don't always need enough power plants to power the few hours of the day when everyone has their A/C on. http://tinyurl.com/5vlcgm #6 Paddy-O-Troll, <i>Obama doesn’t have any plans for additional base power generation. In other words, electric cars are not coming anytime soon in mass quantities.</i> We don't need to increase grid power. We have enough to power air conditioners during the day. At night we would just leave current generators running longer. We will not have to worry for a very long time about increasing the grid power for electric cars. Before we worry about the grid, we'd have to get assholes with preconceived notions and little real information to recognize that these are good vehicles. So, we don't have to worry until we convince you, and possibly not even then. I want one. I have to wait until Manhattan garages have a way to charge a car for a fee. But, I want one.

#4 Paddy-O-Troll,

“It takes 7 hours to fully charge batteries using an ordinary 220 volt home outlet.”

Nice toy. Not really something anyone I know could replace their current vehicle with.

You’re right. I mean who sleeps more than 7 hours a day? Who drives less than 400 clicks a day? 95% of Americans? 98%? I don’t know. But, I bet it’s most of us.

Of course you and your friends driving over 17 hours a day on amphetamines can’t use it. But, for the rest of us …

#5 – Higghawker,

Just wondering?? Anyone have any cost related comparisons to electric vs. petrol? It says here that 7 hours fully charges one for a certain amount of mileage, but where are the cost figures? If my electric car costs me double to run, is it worth it? I also wonder about if our electric grid is ready for this infusion of high charge electric vehicles?

On cost: an electric motor is about 80% efficient. A gasoline motor is about 35-40% efficient. So, in general, even where electricity is expensive, the cost of driving is much lower. So is the cost of maintenance. With fewer moving parts, electric cars need little maintenance.

As for the grid, two things: 1) most people will charge at night, when there is plenty of extra capacity and 2) People are looking into the possibility of electric cars and hybrids as a possible energy storage means.

For point 2, many are looking into the possibility of making the electricity flow both ways. Charge at night. Drive to work. Plug in. During the day, if more electricity is needed on the grid, some would be taken from cars, and the owners compensated. It would level the demand so that we don’t always need enough power plants to power the few hours of the day when everyone has their A/C on.

http://tinyurl.com/5vlcgm

#6 Paddy-O-Troll,

Obama doesn’t have any plans for additional base power generation. In other words, electric cars are not coming anytime soon in mass quantities.

We don’t need to increase grid power. We have enough to power air conditioners during the day. At night we would just leave current generators running longer. We will not have to worry for a very long time about increasing the grid power for electric cars. Before we worry about the grid, we’d have to get assholes with preconceived notions and little real information to recognize that these are good vehicles.

So, we don’t have to worry until we convince you, and possibly not even then.

]]> By: chuck http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419747 chuck Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:21:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419747 #20, #21 - in fact, South Africa while it has some infrastructure, is now failing badly. Most of the energy-producing infrastructure is collapsing due to mismanagement, incompetence and gross corruption. New investment in mining and resources which would bring in much needed cash, is actually being discouraged since there is no reliable energy and electricity that is needed to support such projects. Do a Google search for "south africa energy crisis" and you'll see the mess it's in. #20, #21 – in fact, South Africa while it has some infrastructure, is now failing badly. Most of the energy-producing infrastructure is collapsing due to mismanagement, incompetence and gross corruption.

New investment in mining and resources which would bring in much needed cash, is actually being discouraged since there is no reliable energy and electricity that is needed to support such projects.

Do a Google search for “south africa energy crisis” and you’ll see the mess it’s in.

]]> By: amlorusso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419718 amlorusso Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:37:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419718 What is going to kill the electric car ever making it in the U.S. isn't technology, it's the inflexible mind set thats says "I'm only interested in a car if it can do *absolutely* everything I need it too." There is such a thing as rental - have an electric car for 99.99% of your needs and hire a petrol car when you need to do something your electric car can't. Sit down and do the maths, maybe it will work out for your personal circumstances, maybe it won't, but you won't know until you try. What is going to kill the electric car ever making it in the U.S. isn’t technology, it’s the inflexible mind set thats says “I’m only interested in a car if it can do *absolutely* everything I need it too.”

There is such a thing as rental – have an electric car for 99.99% of your needs and hire a petrol car when you need to do something your electric car can’t. Sit down and do the maths, maybe it will work out for your personal circumstances, maybe it won’t, but you won’t know until you try.

]]> By: Angel H. Wong http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419660 Angel H. Wong Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:10:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419660 Either one of the oil corps, big 3 or the saudis will hire a bunch of hitmen for pennies to kill the ones responsible in developing these cars or selectively kill the first owners of these vehicles to ensure enough fear to not drive them. Either one of the oil corps, big 3 or the saudis will hire a bunch of hitmen for pennies to kill the ones responsible in developing these cars or selectively kill the first owners of these vehicles to ensure enough fear to not drive them.

]]> By: Paddy-O http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419206 Paddy-O Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:25:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419206 # 29 Dave W said, "For a 2 or more car family, I can see a nitch market." That's the point. Until it can actually duplicate the functionality of existing cars it won't replace them in any meaningful quantity. # 29 Dave W said, “For a 2 or more car family, I can see a nitch market.”

That’s the point. Until it can actually duplicate the functionality of existing cars it won’t replace them in any meaningful quantity.

]]> By: Dave W http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419195 Dave W Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:07:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419195 Certainly not the first. There was a time (about 1900) when electric cars were more common than gasoline cars in the USA. And then there's the GM EV-1. But all of them, this one included suffer from some of the same problems. Decent range, but, 7 hours to recharge? You certainly ain't taking this puppy to Vegas for the weekend, lest you want to spend the better part of a day in Baker! For a 2 or more car family, I can see a nitch market. For me, who can only afford to buy and insure one vehicle, it had better be able to go where I want, when I want. Until someone comes up with an electric car with all the utility of at least a Chevy Chevette, I'm not even looking. Certainly not the first. There was a time (about 1900) when electric cars were more common than gasoline cars in the USA. And then there’s the GM EV-1.

But all of them, this one included suffer from some of the same problems. Decent range, but, 7 hours to recharge? You certainly ain’t taking this puppy to Vegas for the weekend, lest you want to spend the better part of a day in Baker!

For a 2 or more car family, I can see a nitch market. For me, who can only afford to buy and insure one vehicle, it had better be able to go where I want, when I want. Until someone comes up with an electric car with all the utility of at least a Chevy Chevette, I’m not even looking.

]]> By: The Monster's Lawyer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419192 The Monster's Lawyer Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:02:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419192 <i>"But the flight lasted 12 seconds and covered only 120 feet. This flying thing will never catch on."</i> - Paddy-Cake's Grandfather after watching the Wright brothers first flight. “But the flight lasted 12 seconds and covered only 120 feet. This flying thing will never catch on.” – Paddy-Cake’s Grandfather after watching the Wright brothers first flight.

]]> By: Mister Mustard http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419190 Mister Mustard Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:59:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419190 #18 - Paddy-RAMBO >>You DO realize that this isn’t a vehicle >>that could be sold in the US? You DO realiize that it is technologically possible to convert the car to run on 120V AC? >>Thus, your statement above doesn’t really >>matter. Oh yes it does. GetSmart was right on the money in #17. He took is own advice and got smart. You might consider doing the same... #18 – Paddy-RAMBO

>>You DO realize that this isn’t a vehicle
>>that could be sold in the US?

You DO realiize that it is technologically possible to convert the car to run on 120V AC?

>>Thus, your statement above doesn’t really
>>matter.

Oh yes it does. GetSmart was right on the money in #17. He took is own advice and got smart. You might consider doing the same…

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419163 Greg Allen Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:31:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419163 Super Cool. But it's not the first! I see electric cars right here in my neighborhood. But, I'd like this Porsche conversion http://tinyurl.com/6ctn5w It has a 80-100 mile range which is more than enough for my commute. The main killer is the $15,000 price for the kit plus the used Porsche. Still, very cool. Super Cool. But it’s not the first! I see electric cars right here in my neighborhood.

But, I’d like this Porsche conversion
http://tinyurl.com/6ctn5w

It has a 80-100 mile range which is more than enough for my commute.

The main killer is the $15,000 price for the kit plus the used Porsche.

Still, very cool.

]]> By: Li http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419147 Li Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:21:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419147 That car looks like it's safer than a Miata, which is sold on the US market, last I looked. And using current electricity rates (likely to go up a bit with lots of ecars until the decentralized grid comes into play) it takes 1-3 dollars to 'fill' the Tesla; I assume it will be the same for this vehicle. Naysayers have their place, but if they keep repeating themselves, "Nay! Nay! Nay!" they usually come to resemble braying jackasses more than thinking human beings. That car looks like it’s safer than a Miata, which is sold on the US market, last I looked. And using current electricity rates (likely to go up a bit with lots of ecars until the decentralized grid comes into play) it takes 1-3 dollars to ‘fill’ the Tesla; I assume it will be the same for this vehicle.

Naysayers have their place, but if they keep repeating themselves, “Nay! Nay! Nay!” they usually come to resemble braying jackasses more than thinking human beings.

]]> By: smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419130 smartalix Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:53:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419130 18, If the <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/14/autos/smart_fortwo_iihs_crash_test/?postversion=2008051410" rel="nofollow">Smart Car can pass crash testing</a>, then a version of this can as well. You have got to be putting on an act, nobody can be that dense on so many issues. 18,

If the Smart Car can pass crash testing, then a version of this can as well.

You have got to be putting on an act, nobody can be that dense on so many issues.

]]> By: WHLanteigne http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419124 WHLanteigne Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:50:13 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419124 I'm rather sick of hearing "we (car companies) only sold what the customers wanted." Dope dealers can say the same thing. Considering our addiction to oil, it amounts to the same thing. I’m rather sick of hearing “we (car companies) only sold what the customers wanted.”
Dope dealers can say the same thing.
Considering our addiction to oil, it amounts to the same thing.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/19/africa-beats-gm-with-first-electric-car/comment-page-2/#comment-1419106 bobbo Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:35:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=31768#comment-1419106 You know what happens when you finally recognize the crises you have failed to deal with for 30 years? You have to change your attitude. Paddy-O==you're joking right? I don't know how you keep the "I'm an idiot" persona going for so long. Good performance art, but doesn't it get tedious? You know what happens when you finally recognize the crises you have failed to deal with for 30 years?

You have to change your attitude.

Paddy-O==you’re joking right? I don’t know how you keep the “I’m an idiot” persona going for so long. Good performance art, but doesn’t it get tedious?

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