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	<title>Comments on: HP discriminates against HETEROSEXUALS</title>
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		<title>By: Colorado DP of an HP employee</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-3/#comment-1463810</link>
		<dc:creator>Colorado DP of an HP employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true and it is a contractual change between an employee and the company.  To say that HP and EDS had to align their benefits is to say that HP took the cheap way out and used EDS as an excuse.  EDS DPs of the opposite sex could have been offered coverage as well.  

This will cost HP talent if and when the economy improves, as people will move towards companies that do not remove benefits wantonly.  Every HP employee should be asking &quot;What&#039;s next?&quot; Is it the match to the 401K?  Same sex DP benefits? Health Insurance regardless of status?  Vacation?  Or will HP follow FedEx and simply take away 5% of the salary!  

American&#039;s need universal access to health insurance so that we make choices about marriage; a sacred institution, based on love, commitment and the best interests of all concerned; not based on whether or not we will have health insurance in the morning.  We do not need national health care just univeral access to reasonably proced insurance without a penalty for age, health status or one&#039;s marital/DP/sexual orientation status. 

January 21st is coming....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true and it is a contractual change between an employee and the company.  To say that HP and EDS had to align their benefits is to say that HP took the cheap way out and used EDS as an excuse.  EDS DPs of the opposite sex could have been offered coverage as well.  </p>
<p>This will cost HP talent if and when the economy improves, as people will move towards companies that do not remove benefits wantonly.  Every HP employee should be asking &#8220;What&#8217;s next?&#8221; Is it the match to the 401K?  Same sex DP benefits? Health Insurance regardless of status?  Vacation?  Or will HP follow FedEx and simply take away 5% of the salary!  </p>
<p>American&#8217;s need universal access to health insurance so that we make choices about marriage; a sacred institution, based on love, commitment and the best interests of all concerned; not based on whether or not we will have health insurance in the morning.  We do not need national health care just univeral access to reasonably proced insurance without a penalty for age, health status or one&#8217;s marital/DP/sexual orientation status. </p>
<p>January 21st is coming&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-3/#comment-1434901</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true. And very upsetting

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To:  Employees covering an opposite-sex domestic partner

 

 

As part of the annual U.S. benefits enrollment process, HP communicated a change that affects coverage for unmarried opposite-sex domestic partners. HP has been among a minority of employers offering benefits coverage for opposite-sex domestic partners. As we integrate and align benefits across HP and EDS, HP coverage will be limited to only legal spouses and same-sex domestic partners, starting January 1, 2009. 

Our records show that you are among the roughly 1% of U.S. employees currently covering an opposite-sex domestic partner. As such, we wanted to ensure you were fully informed about the change and options available to help transition coverage to other sources. With this change, coverage for your domestic partner and any covered children of your domestic partner will end on December 31, 2008. We have below provided additional details regarding this change and the opportunities to continue coverage.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true. And very upsetting</p>
<p>[<br />
To:  Employees covering an opposite-sex domestic partner</p>
<p>As part of the annual U.S. benefits enrollment process, HP communicated a change that affects coverage for unmarried opposite-sex domestic partners. HP has been among a minority of employers offering benefits coverage for opposite-sex domestic partners. As we integrate and align benefits across HP and EDS, HP coverage will be limited to only legal spouses and same-sex domestic partners, starting January 1, 2009. </p>
<p>Our records show that you are among the roughly 1% of U.S. employees currently covering an opposite-sex domestic partner. As such, we wanted to ensure you were fully informed about the change and options available to help transition coverage to other sources. With this change, coverage for your domestic partner and any covered children of your domestic partner will end on December 31, 2008. We have below provided additional details regarding this change and the opportunities to continue coverage.<br />
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		<title>By: Cyberian</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-3/#comment-1433557</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30 Mr. Mustard,

I was eating an apple when I read your reply #30. You&#039;re lucky I won&#039;t be suing you for choking to death on the apple.

That was way beyond hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 Mr. Mustard,</p>
<p>I was eating an apple when I read your reply #30. You&#8217;re lucky I won&#8217;t be suing you for choking to death on the apple.</p>
<p>That was way beyond hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: SnotLikeBlasterpoop</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-3/#comment-1432513</link>
		<dc:creator>SnotLikeBlasterpoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 - You got it. Pay a buttload of money and let people decide for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 &#8211; You got it. Pay a buttload of money and let people decide for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-3/#comment-1431559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29, Noone,

&lt;i&gt;Add in the “gay” issue and 98% of the readers are thinking only about butt sex.&lt;/i&gt;

Ya, now that you mention it. Butt sex. YA !!!

Ok, can we now go back to something intelligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29, Noone,</p>
<p><i>Add in the “gay” issue and 98% of the readers are thinking only about butt sex.</i></p>
<p>Ya, now that you mention it. Butt sex. YA !!!</p>
<p>Ok, can we now go back to something intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431497</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38 - Mr. Fusion

&gt;&gt;How do we know that? Because we can trust 
&gt;&gt;some source who is unnamed. Because we don’t 
&gt;&gt;know who even wrote the article?

Using the magic of The Google, the only relevant citation I found was MARC PERKEL&#039;S POST ON THIS BLOG.

On a hunch, I checked that right-wing nut Clayton Cramer&#039;s blog referenced by RSweeney in #27, and buried deep within it was a note that said he (Clayton Cramer) allegedly saw this in the enrollment package for &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;COBRA&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.  So whatever &quot;they&quot; did, it wasn&#039;t even HP, it was the insurance company that runs their COBRA program, not the insurance for regular employees.

HP is known for &quot;valuing diversity&quot;, and they&#039;re usually the target of holy-rolling, tongue-speaking whack jobs for failing to discriminate against anyone who isn&#039;t Ward or June Cleaver.  In fact, they were sued by (and successfully defended against) some wild-eyed fundie who had been fired for harassing gays, and putting up xeroxed pages describing how gays were evil incarnate and were going to bring down eternal damnation upon everyone they came in contact with.  

&lt;b&gt;[Eds.&lt;/b&gt; might want to remove this whole thread for &lt;b&gt;violation of posting guidelines&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38 &#8211; Mr. Fusion</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;How do we know that? Because we can trust<br />
&gt;&gt;some source who is unnamed. Because we don’t<br />
&gt;&gt;know who even wrote the article?</p>
<p>Using the magic of The Google, the only relevant citation I found was MARC PERKEL&#8217;S POST ON THIS BLOG.</p>
<p>On a hunch, I checked that right-wing nut Clayton Cramer&#8217;s blog referenced by RSweeney in #27, and buried deep within it was a note that said he (Clayton Cramer) allegedly saw this in the enrollment package for <i><b>COBRA</b></i>.  So whatever &#8220;they&#8221; did, it wasn&#8217;t even HP, it was the insurance company that runs their COBRA program, not the insurance for regular employees.</p>
<p>HP is known for &#8220;valuing diversity&#8221;, and they&#8217;re usually the target of holy-rolling, tongue-speaking whack jobs for failing to discriminate against anyone who isn&#8217;t Ward or June Cleaver.  In fact, they were sued by (and successfully defended against) some wild-eyed fundie who had been fired for harassing gays, and putting up xeroxed pages describing how gays were evil incarnate and were going to bring down eternal damnation upon everyone they came in contact with.  </p>
<p><b>[Eds.</b> might want to remove this whole thread for <b>violation of posting guidelines</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431469</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with js (#23).  Nobody said anything about this at &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;my&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; Thanksgiving dinner, so it can&#039;t be true.  

Musta been too much rum in the &#039;nog at the Perkel household.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with js (#23).  Nobody said anything about this at <i><b>my</b></i> Thanksgiving dinner, so it can&#8217;t be true.  </p>
<p>Musta been too much rum in the &#8216;nog at the Perkel household.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431447</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24, Marc,

&lt;i&gt;But they are still covering the FAMILIES of same sex domestic partners. &lt;/i&gt;

How do we know that? Because we can trust some source who is unnamed. Because we don&#039;t know who even wrote the article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24, Marc,</p>
<p><i>But they are still covering the FAMILIES of same sex domestic partners. </i></p>
<p>How do we know that? Because we can trust some source who is unnamed. Because we don&#8217;t know who even wrote the article?</p>
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		<title>By: Grandpa</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431316</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if there&#039;s very many H-P employees left in the United States of America anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if there&#8217;s very many H-P employees left in the United States of America anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431275</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35 - dabhome

Maybe if you re-read it and think about it a little bit, it will make sense.  Or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35 &#8211; dabhome</p>
<p>Maybe if you re-read it and think about it a little bit, it will make sense.  Or not.</p>
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		<title>By: dabhome</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431252</link>
		<dc:creator>dabhome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#34 Mister Mustard

Your rant doesn&#039;t make sense.  #33 - athon is talking about heterosexual men and women who previously could get health care benefits and now can&#039;t without getting married.  Same sex domestic partners still have this right in HP. 

#33 athon

What benefits do they lose by getting married?  The only one I can think of is a federal tax break if they both work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34 Mister Mustard</p>
<p>Your rant doesn&#8217;t make sense.  #33 &#8211; athon is talking about heterosexual men and women who previously could get health care benefits and now can&#8217;t without getting married.  Same sex domestic partners still have this right in HP. </p>
<p>#33 athon</p>
<p>What benefits do they lose by getting married?  The only one I can think of is a federal tax break if they both work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431235</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33 - athon

&gt;&gt;I know of several examples of couples that 
&gt;&gt;are having to get married…even though they 
&gt;&gt;would rather not in order to keep their 
&gt;&gt;benefits.

Well, fuck &#039;em.  Don&#039;t they know that marriage is the cornerstone of American society, a privilege to be afforded only to heterosexual men and women, and not to be sullied by those dirty homos?

In the alternative, the other person could get a job with bennies, like so many other couples do.

If they&#039;re not interested in either of those options, perhaps they could work for universal civil rights in the US, so that the homos could get married.  I suppose that&#039;s why HP implemented the policy in the first place, because same-sex marriages are prohibited by law, and there&#039;s NO WAY, other than by granting benefits to domestic partners, that the families could get health insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 &#8211; athon</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;I know of several examples of couples that<br />
&gt;&gt;are having to get married…even though they<br />
&gt;&gt;would rather not in order to keep their<br />
&gt;&gt;benefits.</p>
<p>Well, fuck &#8216;em.  Don&#8217;t they know that marriage is the cornerstone of American society, a privilege to be afforded only to heterosexual men and women, and not to be sullied by those dirty homos?</p>
<p>In the alternative, the other person could get a job with bennies, like so many other couples do.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re not interested in either of those options, perhaps they could work for universal civil rights in the US, so that the homos could get married.  I suppose that&#8217;s why HP implemented the policy in the first place, because same-sex marriages are prohibited by law, and there&#8217;s NO WAY, other than by granting benefits to domestic partners, that the families could get health insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: athon</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431193</link>
		<dc:creator>athon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 Yes, it is a fact, much resented by HP employees. I know of several examples of couples that are having to get married...even though they would rather not in order to keep their benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 Yes, it is a fact, much resented by HP employees. I know of several examples of couples that are having to get married&#8230;even though they would rather not in order to keep their benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431166</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, Universal Health Care? That&#039;s Socialism! We can&#039;t allow that! In a Socialist country, the government controls the banks, and nationalizes the housing market, and...oh, wait. 

Damn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, Universal Health Care? That&#8217;s Socialism! We can&#8217;t allow that! In a Socialist country, the government controls the banks, and nationalizes the housing market, and&#8230;oh, wait. </p>
<p>Damn.</p>
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		<title>By: JimD</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/11/28/hp-discriminates-against-heterosexuals/comment-page-2/#comment-1431104</link>
		<dc:creator>JimD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, UNIVERSAL NATIONAL HEALTH CARE would make the arguments moot !!!  It has to happen, cause all the Corps want OFF THE HEALTH CARE TREADMILL !!!  It is only a matter of time !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, UNIVERSAL NATIONAL HEALTH CARE would make the arguments moot !!!  It has to happen, cause all the Corps want OFF THE HEALTH CARE TREADMILL !!!  It is only a matter of time !!!</p>
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