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	<title>Comments on: Coffee Wars: Starbucks vs. McDonalds</title>
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		<title>By: lsmall287</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/11/coffee-wars-starbucks-vs-mcdonalds/comment-page-5/#comment-1509288</link>
		<dc:creator>lsmall287</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McDonalds latte vs.  Starbuck lattee is really not even an argument. McDonalds latte tastes like crap. I believe it is totally worth the price difference to get Starbucks</description>
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		<title>By: christine weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>christine weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard today starbucks is laying off 6,700 people and closing 300 stores...</description>
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		<title>By: christine weaver</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/11/coffee-wars-starbucks-vs-mcdonalds/comment-page-5/#comment-1478755</link>
		<dc:creator>christine weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard today starbucks is laying off 6,700 people and closing 300 stores..</description>
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		<title>By: nono</title>
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		<dc:creator>nono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McDonald&#039;s is dumb. 

Billboards saying &quot;large is the new grande,&quot; wtf? 

If you&#039;re going to complain about something, shouldn&#039;t you at least complain about the right thing? Something like &quot;large is the new venti?&quot;

Btw love #83&#039;s comment. 

As I love McD&#039;s apple pies and french fries. Their ad campaigns though and general attitude, hey not so much. 

Another thing about the sizing at Starbucks... I find it MUCH more pretentious to go in a place and rename the sizes your own damn self than to just *order from the menu,* regardless of what you think of it. 

Kettle 1, Pot 0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McDonald&#8217;s is dumb. </p>
<p>Billboards saying &#8220;large is the new grande,&#8221; wtf? </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to complain about something, shouldn&#8217;t you at least complain about the right thing? Something like &#8220;large is the new venti?&#8221;</p>
<p>Btw love #83&#8242;s comment. </p>
<p>As I love McD&#8217;s apple pies and french fries. Their ad campaigns though and general attitude, hey not so much. </p>
<p>Another thing about the sizing at Starbucks&#8230; I find it MUCH more pretentious to go in a place and rename the sizes your own damn self than to just *order from the menu,* regardless of what you think of it. </p>
<p>Kettle 1, Pot 0.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittanie2116</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittanie2116</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Morning everyone. Hi, I am one of your friendly Starbucks baristas. Im sorry that I go to work everyday to make your day better. Im sorry that with every greeting I give out each day I honestly mean it. I sorry that I will go out of my way to make that simple drink you ordered the best thing you have tasted and if it isnt I will remake it till it is. Do you know what makes my work day worth while? Just one extremely satisfied customer. But I am human, I have wants and fears, good days and bad days. Im sorry if one day you walk into Starbucks and I only greet you half-heartedly instead with the comfort of an old friend. And Im sorry if I offend when I repeated your order as a Double Tall Sugar-Free Vanilla Soy No foam Latte, when you ordered a small vanilla latte with soy, no foam, and an extra shot. Oh yeah and sugar free. Ionly repeated it that way so the barista on the bar could mark the drink and make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning everyone. Hi, I am one of your friendly Starbucks baristas. Im sorry that I go to work everyday to make your day better. Im sorry that with every greeting I give out each day I honestly mean it. I sorry that I will go out of my way to make that simple drink you ordered the best thing you have tasted and if it isnt I will remake it till it is. Do you know what makes my work day worth while? Just one extremely satisfied customer. But I am human, I have wants and fears, good days and bad days. Im sorry if one day you walk into Starbucks and I only greet you half-heartedly instead with the comfort of an old friend. And Im sorry if I offend when I repeated your order as a Double Tall Sugar-Free Vanilla Soy No foam Latte, when you ordered a small vanilla latte with soy, no foam, and an extra shot. Oh yeah and sugar free. Ionly repeated it that way so the barista on the bar could mark the drink and make it.</p>
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		<title>By: big dan</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/11/coffee-wars-starbucks-vs-mcdonalds/comment-page-5/#comment-1446904</link>
		<dc:creator>big dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I direct you to: http://anerroroccurredwhileprocessingthisdirective.com/2007/09/28/the-most-expensive-drink-at-starbucks/ for a $13 coffee at starbucks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I direct you to: <a href="http://anerroroccurredwhileprocessingthisdirective.com/2007/09/28/the-most-expensive-drink-at-starbucks/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://anerroroccurredwhileprocessingthisdirective.com/2007/09/28/the-most-expensive-drink-at-starbucks/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://anerroroccurredwhileprocessingthisdirective.com/2007/09/28/the-most-expensive-drink-at-starbucks/</a> for a $13 coffee at starbucks</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>80,
point 1..
45-50...GOOD for you...thats a GOOD cup..
Avg size of coffee cup is 6oz...

point 2..
Umm, do you think the person is roasting 1lb at a time??  And it only takes a few seconds..to 1 minute, and is PROBABLY automated..in many cases..
So the person/machine is doing ALLOT more then a few pounds in 1 hour..

Even at $1 per pound after processing and roasting, and so forth... or $7 per pound..
You paid $5 for 1/40th of a pound of coffee..
its still getting $200 for that cup of coffee, for what PROBABLY is worth $1 at most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>80,<br />
point 1..<br />
45-50&#8230;GOOD for you&#8230;thats a GOOD cup..<br />
Avg size of coffee cup is 6oz&#8230;</p>
<p>point 2..<br />
Umm, do you think the person is roasting 1lb at a time??  And it only takes a few seconds..to 1 minute, and is PROBABLY automated..in many cases..<br />
So the person/machine is doing ALLOT more then a few pounds in 1 hour..</p>
<p>Even at $1 per pound after processing and roasting, and so forth&#8230; or $7 per pound..<br />
You paid $5 for 1/40th of a pound of coffee..<br />
its still getting $200 for that cup of coffee, for what PROBABLY is worth $1 at most.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 ECA said, in part:

&quot;For those that havnt done the numbers..
1lb of coffee=
100-150 Cups..EASY&quot;

Holy cow! That&#039;s not coffee, that&#039;s (barely) colored water! I&#039;ve seen urine darker than that! A quick back-of-the-envelope calculation shows we get closer to 45 - 50 at our house.

He then added:
&quot;Roasting and adding FLAVORS, is nothing..&quot;

I must disagree; roasting coffee requires that rarest and most precious commodity on the market today: the close attention of a practiced, educated expert. It is most definitely NOT nothing -- stop the roast half a minute too soon and you get beans with less flavor than Folger&#039;s Crystals; half a minute too late and you give your customers (and eventually your balance sheet) a thousand stomach aches. 

---

# 26 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:

&quot;actually McDonald Coffee is good now. Up here in New England we always have good coffee from Green Mountain Coffee Co. Now McDonal is also using Green Mountain Coffee which is very good coffee!&quot;

Ooh, I used to get Green Mountain coffee at our local Wild Oats store. (BTW, Paul Newman&#039;s Newman&#039;s Best brand coffee is Green Mountain coffee.) Then Whole Foods (a good store in many ways, but not perfect) bought them out, closed that store and dropped Green Mountain. Their store brand tastes like laquer in comparison. Now I have to go miles in the opposite direction to a local dietary supplement, er, I mean &quot;natural foods&quot; store to get Jim&#039;s Organic coffee, a New Orleans company with a decent product. 

---

Chiming in again at #58, ECA said, in part:

&quot;EVEN if you RAW BEAN coffee, was $50 per pound..
they will make 100 cups of coffee from it..
WHICH is about $0.50 per cup, and you are spending $3-5 for that cup..
DIRECt from the importer coffee, is only $0.50-$5 per POUND..and thats the EXPENSIVE STUFF..
COST of your coffee BEFORE ROASTING is &lt; 5 cents.
AFTEr roasting &lt; 6 cents..

MARKUP for McD or Starbucks, is ABOUT 100/1..
you WOULDNT pay that for your CAR, HOUSE, TV&quot;


You know, there are more expenses in opening a coffee shop than just the price of coffee beans. Not only do you have the cost of the building, the furnishings, the equipment (not cheap) you have the wages of all the workers, also not cheap. Plus probably 25% to 40% of what you pay at Starbucks is for the time you (or at least some people) spend there, reading the Times or like #35, E.C.Dinovo (and Scotty from Star Trek), technical journals.

---

In general, takeout coffee has gotten better lately. McDonald&#039;s new darker roast is better than what they had before; Steak &amp; Shake recently switched to Seattle&#039;s Best and while it is NOT Seattle&#039;s best -- I&#039;ve BEEN to Seattle, where even the 7-11s have espresso bars -- it IS a lot better than their previous brew. None of it comes close to a Starbucks cappuccino, though. I&#039;m afraid to try the espresso drinks at MickyD&#039;s and all the gas stations that advertise them. I fear they&#039;re really some freeze-dried chemically enhanced powder in a plastic-and-foil pouch that they mix with the stuff in the hot-water carafe that&#039;s been sitting there boiling for an hour to really concentrate the minerals in the hard water &#039;til you can taste them, inadequately stirred, and handed to you with the cap only half on... (Me? Bitter?)

By the way, FYI, though they don&#039;t advertise it or even put it on their menus, Starbucks also has a SHORT size. Many&#039;s the time I&#039;ve driven up and ordered two short cappuccinos to go and saved money.

Thank you for your patience. You have now reached the end of my ramble. Now go out and play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 ECA said, in part:</p>
<p>&#8220;For those that havnt done the numbers..<br />
1lb of coffee=<br />
100-150 Cups..EASY&#8221;</p>
<p>Holy cow! That&#8217;s not coffee, that&#8217;s (barely) colored water! I&#8217;ve seen urine darker than that! A quick back-of-the-envelope calculation shows we get closer to 45 &#8211; 50 at our house.</p>
<p>He then added:<br />
&#8220;Roasting and adding FLAVORS, is nothing..&#8221;</p>
<p>I must disagree; roasting coffee requires that rarest and most precious commodity on the market today: the close attention of a practiced, educated expert. It is most definitely NOT nothing &#8212; stop the roast half a minute too soon and you get beans with less flavor than Folger&#8217;s Crystals; half a minute too late and you give your customers (and eventually your balance sheet) a thousand stomach aches. </p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p># 26 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:</p>
<p>&#8220;actually McDonald Coffee is good now. Up here in New England we always have good coffee from Green Mountain Coffee Co. Now McDonal is also using Green Mountain Coffee which is very good coffee!&#8221;</p>
<p>Ooh, I used to get Green Mountain coffee at our local Wild Oats store. (BTW, Paul Newman&#8217;s Newman&#8217;s Best brand coffee is Green Mountain coffee.) Then Whole Foods (a good store in many ways, but not perfect) bought them out, closed that store and dropped Green Mountain. Their store brand tastes like laquer in comparison. Now I have to go miles in the opposite direction to a local dietary supplement, er, I mean &#8220;natural foods&#8221; store to get Jim&#8217;s Organic coffee, a New Orleans company with a decent product. </p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Chiming in again at #58, ECA said, in part:</p>
<p>&#8220;EVEN if you RAW BEAN coffee, was $50 per pound..<br />
they will make 100 cups of coffee from it..<br />
WHICH is about $0.50 per cup, and you are spending $3-5 for that cup..<br />
DIRECt from the importer coffee, is only $0.50-$5 per POUND..and thats the EXPENSIVE STUFF..<br />
COST of your coffee BEFORE ROASTING is &lt; 5 cents.<br />
AFTEr roasting &lt; 6 cents..</p>
<p>MARKUP for McD or Starbucks, is ABOUT 100/1..<br />
you WOULDNT pay that for your CAR, HOUSE, TV&#8221;</p>
<p>You know, there are more expenses in opening a coffee shop than just the price of coffee beans. Not only do you have the cost of the building, the furnishings, the equipment (not cheap) you have the wages of all the workers, also not cheap. Plus probably 25% to 40% of what you pay at Starbucks is for the time you (or at least some people) spend there, reading the Times or like #35, E.C.Dinovo (and Scotty from Star Trek), technical journals.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>In general, takeout coffee has gotten better lately. McDonald&#8217;s new darker roast is better than what they had before; Steak &amp; Shake recently switched to Seattle&#8217;s Best and while it is NOT Seattle&#8217;s best &#8212; I&#8217;ve BEEN to Seattle, where even the 7-11s have espresso bars &#8212; it IS a lot better than their previous brew. None of it comes close to a Starbucks cappuccino, though. I&#8217;m afraid to try the espresso drinks at MickyD&#8217;s and all the gas stations that advertise them. I fear they&#8217;re really some freeze-dried chemically enhanced powder in a plastic-and-foil pouch that they mix with the stuff in the hot-water carafe that&#8217;s been sitting there boiling for an hour to really concentrate the minerals in the hard water &#8217;til you can taste them, inadequately stirred, and handed to you with the cap only half on&#8230; (Me? Bitter?)</p>
<p>By the way, FYI, though they don&#8217;t advertise it or even put it on their menus, Starbucks also has a SHORT size. Many&#8217;s the time I&#8217;ve driven up and ordered two short cappuccinos to go and saved money.</p>
<p>Thank you for your patience. You have now reached the end of my ramble. Now go out and play.</p>
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		<title>By: QB</title>
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		<dc:creator>QB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron James on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv_qssv1Q1w&quot; title=&quot;Ron James on Tim Hortons&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Hortons and Starbucks&lt;/a&gt;. And not to mention being a hockey parent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron James on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv_qssv1Q1w" title="Ron James on Tim Hortons" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tim Hortons and Starbucks</a>. And not to mention being a hockey parent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry X-Mas to all and to all a good night!  Who could possibly be upset with good will toward man and presents?

I can see Paddy-O is getting a sock full of astroglide from Mustard this year.

Ho-Ho-Ho.  Tis the season of false meaningless cheer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry X-Mas to all and to all a good night!  Who could possibly be upset with good will toward man and presents?</p>
<p>I can see Paddy-O is getting a sock full of astroglide from Mustard this year.</p>
<p>Ho-Ho-Ho.  Tis the season of false meaningless cheer.</p>
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		<title>By: QB</title>
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		<dc:creator>QB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2 &amp; #42

I looked at the Tim Horton figures from 2006. They sold $82 worth of product to every man, woman and child in Canada. There is a corner in Mississauga that has a Timmies on all four corners.

They&#039;re putting something in the coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 &amp; #42</p>
<p>I looked at the Tim Horton figures from 2006. They sold $82 worth of product to every man, woman and child in Canada. There is a corner in Mississauga that has a Timmies on all four corners.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re putting something in the coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#74 - Paddy-O

Shhhh.  The Atheists will hear, and then we&#039;ll be in hotter water than the &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; guys...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#74 &#8211; Paddy-O</p>
<p>Shhhh.  The Atheists will hear, and then we&#8217;ll be in hotter water than the &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; guys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GetSmart</title>
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		<dc:creator>GetSmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better leave a latte for Santa this Christmas Eve, or he&#039;ll crap in your stocking.</description>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 73 Mister Mustard said,  &quot;God bless us, every one.&quot;

To your family also.  Have a great Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 73 Mister Mustard said,  &#8220;God bless us, every one.&#8221;</p>
<p>To your family also.  Have a great Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#72 - Paddy-O

God bless us, every one.</description>
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<p>God bless us, every one.</p>
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