Atheists calling the godsters saps and fools and the godsters making fun of Darwin.

Progress? Not even with the advent of sound and color. Interesting comment on the (non) interaction between science and retardation.

Oh Tommie, Tommie, Tommie. What is it with you Atheists? Do you have some congenital need to badger those who have beliefs different from your? Why the need to “point out [my] hypocrisy”? I don’t point yours out. Just keep your religious beliefs to yourself, as you’re always haranguing believers to do.

And yes, I acknowledge those things. With the exception of the stem cell research, I rank them somewhere behind “when will I clip my toenails?” in importance. I’m as concerned about that creepy eye atop the pyramid on our money as I am about “In God We Trust” being on it. And “annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum”?? “He favors our undertaking – new world order”?? wtf is that all about?

Further, do you acknowledge that the government should stop such nonsense as “In God we Trust” on money, blocking stem research because of religious fear and putting up the Ten Commandments in government buildings? If not, then you are clearly not keeping your side of the bargain.

{snoooooooorrrrrre}. You shot your wad on this “argument” a long time ago.

If you don’t like what I believe, believe something else. I’m not trying to convince you that I am right; why not return the favor? I realize that’s not the Atheist way, but give it a shot, huh?

In a previous post some time ago, I did provide a link to the Bureau of Prisons statistics regarding religion. You are perfectly capable of Googling it yourself.

In set theory, many students are never able to get their head around the idea of the empty set. In database design, many developers never really understand nulls. Similarly, it appears you never really understood what a lack of belief really means.

I never posited *my* analysis of other religions. I suggested *you* study cultural anthropology and the techniques used to dissect and understand a culture, particularly primitive cultures and their superstitions and beliefs. Once you have a firm grasp of those methodologies, use those tools to analyze your own culture’s superstitions and beliefs.

If religion is supposed to make people more humane, then it ought to be the case that the prison population has fewer people that are religious than the general population even accounting for people that lie about their convictions or ignore the humane teachings of the given religion. It shouldn’t be equal in percentage to the general population. It should be LESS than the general population by far if religions truly make people more humane. That the prison population mimics the general population proves that the argument that religion helps people be more humane is specious.

>> It is *very* common for theists to be aghast
>>at atheists even on Dvorak’s blog. “You’ll go
>>to hell.” “You must accept Jesus”, “You need
>>to be saved”, “You’re a fool if you don’t
>>believe in a higher power” and so on.

Ha ha! Dvorak’s blog? “*very* common”??? John C. Dvorak, of dvorak dot org slash blog?? You’ve GOT to be kidding, unless there’s another dvorak dot org slash blog that I’m not familiar with. Two or three examples of someone saying “You must accept Jesus” or “You’ll go to hell” would go a looooooooooong way in salvaging your credibility. Even in the unlikely event that you COULD drum up a few instances of this, I guarantee you for every one you find, I could find a hundred instances of Atheists beating believers over the head with their non-belief belief.

>>Judging from this thread and others, if you
>>ever were an atheist, you clearly did not
>>understand what it meant.

Wooo. Is being an Atheist like being a samurai? Or more à propos, like being a ronin? Or even more à propos, like being a bishop, an archbishop, a pope? Is there an apprenticeship, a training regimen, a heirarchy of Atheism? Shucks. I thought it just meant you believed in No God, not that you had vowed lifelong adherence to the precepts of the religion.

>>As I said, you cannot blah blah blah
>>blah..That is hypocrisy.

No, that’s me worshiping Frank Sinatra, and doing it my way. If that doesn’t sit well with your cultural anthropological analysis of your and others’ religions, tfb.

As to the prison stats, why don’t YOU look them up and summarize them for us, since you already seem to know without looking what they say. And if they say what I think they say (that just like out of prison, there are both Atheists and believers in prison), big woop. Just as they say there are no Atheists in foxholes, there are no (or fewer) Atheists in prisons. Lots of people purport that they come to Jesus in the Big House, whether it’s to stave off the hot needle, to further their chances of parole, because they’ve been pushed beyond their breaking point, are lying about their religious convictions, or have actually changed their mind about a higher power. It proves nothing.

As I said, you cannot embrace an attitude of evidence based thinking with respect to science and then throw out that methodology when it comes to analysis of your belief in the existence of the supernatural. That is hypocrisy.

It is *very* common for theists to be aghast at atheists even on Dvorak’s blog. “You’ll go to hell.” “You must accept Jesus”, “You need to be saved”, “You’re a fool if you don’t believe in a higher power” and so on. Most atheists are reluctant to even mention they are an atheist simply to avoid the barrage of nonsense arguments about how they need to be “saved.”

With respect to prison populations, go research the figures at the Federal Bureau of Prisons. If theists are really more humane, it should be the case that the most prisoners are not religious, right? Not even close. If I remember correctly, the prison population is made up of slightly fewer atheists as a percentage than the general population. Again, if being religious supposedly helps people be humanitarian, we should see far fewer prisoners that are religious rather than equal or more.

How’d ya’ miss that one?

>>Sorry, but I do not believe you.

Well, tfb. Just like your belligerent religious beliefs, you opinion of my personal history makes no nevermind to me. The sure mark of one who is going through bold and saucy phase, being hip-and-happening, avante-garde, a little bit dangerous, existential intellectual blah blah blah, is their inability to accept that others believe anything besides what they believe. It’s tiresome, but you have a lot of company. I told you I was an atheist, and I was an atheist for many years. Much of my life, in fact. Now I’m not. If that doesn’t sit well with you, again, tfb.

>>It is simply another illustration how little
>>about atheism you know. The BS you allegedly
>>took from atheists is likely due to your
>>obvious hypocrisy.

Huh? wtf? The fact that some of the most intolerant, self-important, egocentric, annoying, obnoxious buttinskis I have ever known have been Atheists is “simply another illustration of how little about Atheism I know”?? And their abrasive and intrusive behavior is “due to [my] obvious hypocrisy”? I might respond to that, if I had the slightest idea wtf you’re talking about.

See for yourself right here on dvorak dot org slash blog. You never see a “theist” berating an atheist for his or her beliefs. On the other hand, if I had a nickel for every time I’ve been called a moran, a sheeple, a “true believer” (in the negative sense), an anti-science fanatic, illogical, stupid, mindless, blah blah blah, I’d be as rich as Rockefeller. They are relentless, and they won’t be satisfied until everyone else shares their unshakable religious belief.

>>There are more rapists, ethnic cleaners and
>>murders that are religious than are atheist
>>even accounting for population percentages.

You’ll have to forgive me if I call bullshit on that allegation. Got proof?

Sorry, but I do not believe you. Your responses here and in other threads argue to the contrary. When exactly and for how long exactly were you an atheist? Simply parroting “I know you are, but what am I” only works for children.

> You keep mentioning this
> “to a person” nonsense.

It is simply another illustration how little about atheism you know. The BS you allegedly took from atheists is likely due to your obvious hypocrisy. You cannot endorse an attitude of evidenced based thinking with respect to science and then decide to ignore that methodology when it comes to analysis of religious practices. You should try taking some courses on cultural anthropology and pay particular attention to the methods used to analyze and compare a given culture’s superstitions. After you do that for a year, direct you newly found techniques to your beliefs and tell us what you find.

> Does that same principle apply to Atheists?
> The murderers? The rapists? The ethnic
> cleansers?

There are more rapists, ethnic cleaners and murders that are religious than are atheist even accounting for population percentages. Why is that? If the religious are supposedly more humane, wouldn’t the prison populations contain more atheists than those that are religious?