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	<title>Comments on: Ho! Ho! Ho!, Santa filmed disabling speed cameras in Arizona!</title>
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		<title>By: Rev25</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/23/ho-ho-ho-santa-filmed-disabling-speed-cameras-in-arizona/comment-page-1/#comment-1476991</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Crap People!  If you dont like the cameras, quite running the lights! Simple as that!  and NO a yellow light does NOT mean speed up before it turns red!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Crap People!  If you dont like the cameras, quite running the lights! Simple as that!  and NO a yellow light does NOT mean speed up before it turns red!</p>
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		<title>By: farmdevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>farmdevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that in many cities the accident rate has gone up after cameras were installed. It seems that rear-ending is increased. If this were really about safety, you would think they would take these down after findings like that. Instead, they just shorten the yellow light times.

Also, I have been wrongfully ticketed by a camera on the 101 in Scottsdale. It misread somebody else&#039;s license plate and sent me the ticket even though I was driving the wrong type of car. I know about the algorithms behind these systems. I&#039;ve written similar letter-detection software. It isn&#039;t perfect technology. There is nobody looking at these tickets (they claim 4 people do, I asked). It&#039;s a real hassle to have to deal with an accusation by a computer in order to avoid a default judgement against you. What happened to my right to confront my accuser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that in many cities the accident rate has gone up after cameras were installed. It seems that rear-ending is increased. If this were really about safety, you would think they would take these down after findings like that. Instead, they just shorten the yellow light times.</p>
<p>Also, I have been wrongfully ticketed by a camera on the 101 in Scottsdale. It misread somebody else&#8217;s license plate and sent me the ticket even though I was driving the wrong type of car. I know about the algorithms behind these systems. I&#8217;ve written similar letter-detection software. It isn&#8217;t perfect technology. There is nobody looking at these tickets (they claim 4 people do, I asked). It&#8217;s a real hassle to have to deal with an accusation by a computer in order to avoid a default judgement against you. What happened to my right to confront my accuser?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/23/ho-ho-ho-santa-filmed-disabling-speed-cameras-in-arizona/comment-page-1/#comment-1460572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 06:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25, Rich,

Congratulations on driving for 25 yrs now and having only seen ONE incident. I&#039;ve been driving for almost 40 years and I can tell you I&#039;ve seen at least 100 dangerous Red Light problems and at least 10 where the person just ran the light. Either you don&#039;t drive much or the people in your area are good drivers.

Seeding IS associated and directly correlated with the causation and severity of accidents along with several other crimes. Yes, it would be better that there were enough police to patrol the streets and catch all the drunks and dangerous drivers, but not too many people want to pay the taxes to accomplish that.

If you get a ticket than you were either speeding or the cop is in error. You do have the option of fighting the ticket. But if you don&#039;t, you are accepting that you did indeed break the law. Calling any traffic infraction a money grab is just an excuse to ignore the law with impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25, Rich,</p>
<p>Congratulations on driving for 25 yrs now and having only seen ONE incident. I&#8217;ve been driving for almost 40 years and I can tell you I&#8217;ve seen at least 100 dangerous Red Light problems and at least 10 where the person just ran the light. Either you don&#8217;t drive much or the people in your area are good drivers.</p>
<p>Seeding IS associated and directly correlated with the causation and severity of accidents along with several other crimes. Yes, it would be better that there were enough police to patrol the streets and catch all the drunks and dangerous drivers, but not too many people want to pay the taxes to accomplish that.</p>
<p>If you get a ticket than you were either speeding or the cop is in error. You do have the option of fighting the ticket. But if you don&#8217;t, you are accepting that you did indeed break the law. Calling any traffic infraction a money grab is just an excuse to ignore the law with impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: turbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>turbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are only speed cameras.  The only thing they do is take a picture of your car if it goes over the sensors too fast.  The cops are ridiculous here in Phoenix. Instead of actually catching drunks driving they just take pictures.

Plus, people who live here in Phoenix have eventually figured out where these cameras are so it&#039;s usually dumb people getting tickets or people who are new to town. 

Either way it&#039;s just a way for the cops too make some cash in this economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are only speed cameras.  The only thing they do is take a picture of your car if it goes over the sensors too fast.  The cops are ridiculous here in Phoenix. Instead of actually catching drunks driving they just take pictures.</p>
<p>Plus, people who live here in Phoenix have eventually figured out where these cameras are so it&#8217;s usually dumb people getting tickets or people who are new to town. </p>
<p>Either way it&#8217;s just a way for the cops too make some cash in this economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I firmly believe the bot cameras are set up to gather revenue, not increase traffic safety. I&#039;ve been driving for 25 years and have witnseed exactly one person run a red light and cause an accident, and I&#039;m certain that person was DUI. If this was such a godawful problem wouldn&#039;t I see it more often? 

God bless those Santas- with one caveat: The cameras taken from elsewhere in America should be redeployed along the border to catch the Mexican illegals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I firmly believe the bot cameras are set up to gather revenue, not increase traffic safety. I&#8217;ve been driving for 25 years and have witnseed exactly one person run a red light and cause an accident, and I&#8217;m certain that person was DUI. If this was such a godawful problem wouldn&#8217;t I see it more often? </p>
<p>God bless those Santas- with one caveat: The cameras taken from elsewhere in America should be redeployed along the border to catch the Mexican illegals.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22 - mentro972

&gt;&gt;These are not “Speed” cameras at all. Only 
&gt;&gt;red light cameras. 

No.  They&#039;re &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;speed&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;cameras.  Just like the headline says.  Good idea to know what you&#039;re talking about BEFORE you talk, hm?

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2180.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22 &#8211; mentro972</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;These are not “Speed” cameras at all. Only<br />
&gt;&gt;red light cameras. </p>
<p>No.  They&#8217;re <b><i>speed</i></b>cameras.  Just like the headline says.  Good idea to know what you&#8217;re talking about BEFORE you talk, hm?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2180.asp" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2180.asp' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2180.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if the local/state governments are to be believed then right after this happened those intersections immediately became more dangerous and the death toll of children continues to climb.

Or, more likely, their revenues saw dip that day until they got crews out there to remove the boxes/wrapping.

I remember back in the early 1990s right before they decided to remove the national speed limit of 55MPH. The authorities were predicting that our streets would run red with blood as people would be driving at 65MPH! Crazy unsafe, they told us. Accidents/deaths went down, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if the local/state governments are to be believed then right after this happened those intersections immediately became more dangerous and the death toll of children continues to climb.</p>
<p>Or, more likely, their revenues saw dip that day until they got crews out there to remove the boxes/wrapping.</p>
<p>I remember back in the early 1990s right before they decided to remove the national speed limit of 55MPH. The authorities were predicting that our streets would run red with blood as people would be driving at 65MPH! Crazy unsafe, they told us. Accidents/deaths went down, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mentor972</title>
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		<dc:creator>mentor972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are not &quot;Speed&quot; cameras at all. Only red light cameras. Running red lights causes extremely deadly accidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are not &#8220;Speed&#8221; cameras at all. Only red light cameras. Running red lights causes extremely deadly accidents.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Fusion

About faking the plates. I could do it. I&#039;m pretty sure anyone could do it with a digital cameria, a computer and a color printer. I don&#039;t think the cameras being used to take the pictures for the cops are super high def which is what you&#039;d need to notice any difference at a distance.

If you want to catch them you might try walking around parking lots. That is how the locals check to see if you pay your wheel tax.

However what the kids were reported as doing would have been putting on the fake tags, speeding where they knew they&#039;d get caught by a camera, then quickly ditching the fake tag. The cops still might get some clues from the car modal but the odds are the kids wouldn&#039;t be caught unless their face was in a picture. 

I guess how hard this would be to pull off would depend on exactly what all was in the picture. I only have to have a rear tag and if they take a picture of the back of my car with the wrong tag number they don&#039;t have much.

As for the rest I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Fusion</p>
<p>About faking the plates. I could do it. I&#8217;m pretty sure anyone could do it with a digital cameria, a computer and a color printer. I don&#8217;t think the cameras being used to take the pictures for the cops are super high def which is what you&#8217;d need to notice any difference at a distance.</p>
<p>If you want to catch them you might try walking around parking lots. That is how the locals check to see if you pay your wheel tax.</p>
<p>However what the kids were reported as doing would have been putting on the fake tags, speeding where they knew they&#8217;d get caught by a camera, then quickly ditching the fake tag. The cops still might get some clues from the car modal but the odds are the kids wouldn&#8217;t be caught unless their face was in a picture. </p>
<p>I guess how hard this would be to pull off would depend on exactly what all was in the picture. I only have to have a rear tag and if they take a picture of the back of my car with the wrong tag number they don&#8217;t have much.</p>
<p>As for the rest I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: GF</title>
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		<dc:creator>GF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wah-waha-wah. This whole surveillance system was devised by Arizona Democratic Governor Janet Napalitano so she could increase revenue for the state and local communities because of her budget shortfall. I hope you enjoy her as head of Homeland Security Obamatards. Thank GOD a Republican will replace her as Governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wah-waha-wah. This whole surveillance system was devised by Arizona Democratic Governor Janet Napalitano so she could increase revenue for the state and local communities because of her budget shortfall. I hope you enjoy her as head of Homeland Security Obamatards. Thank GOD a Republican will replace her as Governor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9, winston,

Can you offer any proof that anyone has actually done what was claimed? Read your own effen link. There are no names or actual incidents reported, just bullshit.

If this is on going then all the police need do is set up an unmarked car speed trap to catch people. They could then check the plate to see if it is real.

The reason police go after speeders is not only because they are easy to spot, but because speeding is usually also associated with dangerous driving, DUI, and other crimes. Speeding is also shown to be a factor in the cause and severity of accidents.

If you don&#039;t like the limit then see your local councilperson about changing it. Ignoring the law because you disagree is bound to land you in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9, winston,</p>
<p>Can you offer any proof that anyone has actually done what was claimed? Read your own effen link. There are no names or actual incidents reported, just bullshit.</p>
<p>If this is on going then all the police need do is set up an unmarked car speed trap to catch people. They could then check the plate to see if it is real.</p>
<p>The reason police go after speeders is not only because they are easy to spot, but because speeding is usually also associated with dangerous driving, DUI, and other crimes. Speeding is also shown to be a factor in the cause and severity of accidents.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like the limit then see your local councilperson about changing it. Ignoring the law because you disagree is bound to land you in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These camera are not installed for public safty, they were sold and installed as money making machines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These camera are not installed for public safty, they were sold and installed as money making machines.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14, I was actually thinking of a high-pressure water sprayer spraying black paint.  Your aim doesn&#039;t have to be quite to good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14, I was actually thinking of a high-pressure water sprayer spraying black paint.  Your aim doesn&#8217;t have to be quite to good.</p>
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		<title>By: Improbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Improbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GetSmart

You get a gold star and a cookie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GetSmart</p>
<p>You get a gold star and a cookie.</p>
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		<title>By: GetSmart</title>
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		<dc:creator>GetSmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paintballs filled with epoxy work better longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paintballs filled with epoxy work better longer.</p>
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