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	<title>Comments on: Irate movie patron shoots talker &#8212; resumes watching the movie</title>
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		<title>By: BdgBill</title>
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		<dc:creator>BdgBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I donate to Mr. Cialella&#039;s defense fund?

If I thought I had a 50/50 chance of getting away with it, I would gladly shoot someone who talks (or screws arond with a cell phone) during a movie.

I used to go to the movies almost every week. I now go about 2 or 3 times a year. Spending $30.00 to be annoyed by assholes for two hours is the number one reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I donate to Mr. Cialella&#8217;s defense fund?</p>
<p>If I thought I had a 50/50 chance of getting away with it, I would gladly shoot someone who talks (or screws arond with a cell phone) during a movie.</p>
<p>I used to go to the movies almost every week. I now go about 2 or 3 times a year. Spending $30.00 to be annoyed by assholes for two hours is the number one reason.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like this guy was a fan of The Godfather.</description>
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		<title>By: Norman Speight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Speight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been to a movie for some 43 years now.
The one and only reason?  I can&#039;t stand yapping and other inconsiderate behaviors which interfere with the enjoyment of others.
I fully support the action of the shooter.
He should be charged with a minor misdemenour, fined $1.00 and asked not to do it again.
But them.  I&#039;m just an old liberal who is willing to forgive minor infringements</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been to a movie for some 43 years now.<br />
The one and only reason?  I can&#8217;t stand yapping and other inconsiderate behaviors which interfere with the enjoyment of others.<br />
I fully support the action of the shooter.<br />
He should be charged with a minor misdemenour, fined $1.00 and asked not to do it again.<br />
But them.  I&#8217;m just an old liberal who is willing to forgive minor infringements</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21 - Eric Phillips

&gt;&gt;Too chatty: Shot in the arm. Cell goes off: 
&gt;&gt;One between the eyes.

Ditto!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21 &#8211; Eric Phillips</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Too chatty: Shot in the arm. Cell goes off:<br />
&gt;&gt;One between the eyes.</p>
<p>Ditto!</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will you PLEASE stop the gunfire? I can&#039;t hear the goddamn movie! 
And sit the fuk down! Geesh.
Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will you PLEASE stop the gunfire? I can&#8217;t hear the goddamn movie!<br />
And sit the fuk down! Geesh.<br />
Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: BigE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the gun arguments.  That ship sailed a long time ago ...

Anyone know how to contribute to the guy&#039;s defense fund?  He shouldn&#039;t have shot the guy, but ppl need to shut up once the film&#039;s rolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the gun arguments.  That ship sailed a long time ago &#8230;</p>
<p>Anyone know how to contribute to the guy&#8217;s defense fund?  He shouldn&#8217;t have shot the guy, but ppl need to shut up once the film&#8217;s rolling.</p>
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		<title>By: bac</title>
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		<dc:creator>bac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the weapon that the people carry, but the reasoning for carrying the weapon.  Why was Cialella Jr packing a gun?  Did he buy the gun to murder someone?  Or did he buy the gun to protect himself from people who shoot other people in movie theaters for be obnoxious?

For most people, owning protection isn&#039;t a problem.  But there are a few that actually become what they fear most, the lunatic in a movie theater with a gun.

Outlawing guns probably won&#039;t solve this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the weapon that the people carry, but the reasoning for carrying the weapon.  Why was Cialella Jr packing a gun?  Did he buy the gun to murder someone?  Or did he buy the gun to protect himself from people who shoot other people in movie theaters for be obnoxious?</p>
<p>For most people, owning protection isn&#8217;t a problem.  But there are a few that actually become what they fear most, the lunatic in a movie theater with a gun.</p>
<p>Outlawing guns probably won&#8217;t solve this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31--heehee===they are all legal/illegal from time to time and place to place and with the NRA types always pushing for total madness.

I think the &quot;street sweeper&quot; was a magazine fed shotgun that was being sold somewhere.  Automatic full clip firing weapons are often sold at flea markets and on and on.

Your feelings are your own but don&#039;t substitute for facts or intelligence.

If I were attacked, or feared the same, would I buy a gun?  Probably yes which is why laws need to be crafted to stop the insanity.

Your feelings may not agree with me, but the objective thrust of your post does.  Hee, Hee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31&#8211;heehee===they are all legal/illegal from time to time and place to place and with the NRA types always pushing for total madness.</p>
<p>I think the &#8220;street sweeper&#8221; was a magazine fed shotgun that was being sold somewhere.  Automatic full clip firing weapons are often sold at flea markets and on and on.</p>
<p>Your feelings are your own but don&#8217;t substitute for facts or intelligence.</p>
<p>If I were attacked, or feared the same, would I buy a gun?  Probably yes which is why laws need to be crafted to stop the insanity.</p>
<p>Your feelings may not agree with me, but the objective thrust of your post does.  Hee, Hee.</p>
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		<title>By: heehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>heehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobbo said &quot;Bazooka’s, machine guns, street sweepers etc all should be illegal.&quot;

Bobbo, they are illegal - have been for decades, at least. Your function on this blog must be to make us all feel superior, because you do it so well.

As someone said earlier, if you get attacked you&#039;ll be at the gun store the next day. Even you bobbster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbo said &#8220;Bazooka’s, machine guns, street sweepers etc all should be illegal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bobbo, they are illegal &#8211; have been for decades, at least. Your function on this blog must be to make us all feel superior, because you do it so well.</p>
<p>As someone said earlier, if you get attacked you&#8217;ll be at the gun store the next day. Even you bobbster.</p>
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		<title>By: BryanP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BryanP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 That&#039;s right, blame the tool, not the idiot carrying the tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 That&#8217;s right, blame the tool, not the idiot carrying the tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 - Bobo

&gt;&gt;I have never advocated a ban on all firearms. 
&gt;&gt;I said license/regulate and monitor all 
&gt;&gt;firearms.

Other than survivalist kooks who bury rifles and canned tuna in their back yards, I don&#039;t know of anyone who disagrees with licensing and regulation of firearms.  In fact (and you may be surprised to find this out) firearms are licensed and regulated at this very moment!  They may do a shitty job of it, but the laws are in place.

&gt;&gt;Only a gun fetish prevents a reasonable 
&gt;&gt;person from agreeing with the wisdom of 
&gt;&gt;this===encourage behavior you desire, dis-
&gt;&gt;encourage behavior you don’t want. 

A gun fetish or pragmatism, and the knowledge of what yet &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; gun regulation will do in real life.

I have bought a number of guns in my day (all legally), some were purchased in New Jersey.  After having gone through that wringer, I now know why people just go to the &#039;hood and pick up an AK-47 on the DL.  Not all states are as bad as NJ, but they certainly do a heck of a job of dis-encouraging legitimate gun ownership.  Maybe that&#039;s why their crime rate is so high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 &#8211; Bobo</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;I have never advocated a ban on all firearms.<br />
&gt;&gt;I said license/regulate and monitor all<br />
&gt;&gt;firearms.</p>
<p>Other than survivalist kooks who bury rifles and canned tuna in their back yards, I don&#8217;t know of anyone who disagrees with licensing and regulation of firearms.  In fact (and you may be surprised to find this out) firearms are licensed and regulated at this very moment!  They may do a shitty job of it, but the laws are in place.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Only a gun fetish prevents a reasonable<br />
&gt;&gt;person from agreeing with the wisdom of<br />
&gt;&gt;this===encourage behavior you desire, dis-<br />
&gt;&gt;encourage behavior you don’t want. </p>
<p>A gun fetish or pragmatism, and the knowledge of what yet <i>more</i> gun regulation will do in real life.</p>
<p>I have bought a number of guns in my day (all legally), some were purchased in New Jersey.  After having gone through that wringer, I now know why people just go to the &#8216;hood and pick up an AK-47 on the DL.  Not all states are as bad as NJ, but they certainly do a heck of a job of dis-encouraging legitimate gun ownership.  Maybe that&#8217;s why their crime rate is so high.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26--Mustard==I have never advocated a ban on all firearms.  I said license/regulate and monitor all firearms.

Yes, Switzerland has lots of appeal but in the group, its death rate from murder by firearms is low while USA leads the group.  Adding more guns to the leader of death by firearms takes a greater leap of faith.

Heres one:  No private sales of guns, no flea market sales, no pawn shop sales or loans on guns.  All sales thru federally licensed dealers who do a thorough valid check.

There is a lot that can be effectually done while still allowing &quot;some&quot; gun ownership.  Picking special facts to urge failure of gun control is defective.

As far as shutting down foreign manufacturers.  Yes, that should be done in cooperation with foreign governments whereever possible.  No need for AK-47&#039;s to be the only property owned by Africans earning $150/year==or anyone in Compton, LAX either.

As stated---it would take time.  Only a gun fetish prevents a reasonable person from agreeing with the wisdom of this===encourage behavior you desire, dis-encourage behavior you don&#039;t want.  Simple, but disagreeable==but still simple.  Kinda like Paddy-Ohoh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26&#8211;Mustard==I have never advocated a ban on all firearms.  I said license/regulate and monitor all firearms.</p>
<p>Yes, Switzerland has lots of appeal but in the group, its death rate from murder by firearms is low while USA leads the group.  Adding more guns to the leader of death by firearms takes a greater leap of faith.</p>
<p>Heres one:  No private sales of guns, no flea market sales, no pawn shop sales or loans on guns.  All sales thru federally licensed dealers who do a thorough valid check.</p>
<p>There is a lot that can be effectually done while still allowing &#8220;some&#8221; gun ownership.  Picking special facts to urge failure of gun control is defective.</p>
<p>As far as shutting down foreign manufacturers.  Yes, that should be done in cooperation with foreign governments whereever possible.  No need for AK-47&#8242;s to be the only property owned by Africans earning $150/year==or anyone in Compton, LAX either.</p>
<p>As stated&#8212;it would take time.  Only a gun fetish prevents a reasonable person from agreeing with the wisdom of this===encourage behavior you desire, dis-encourage behavior you don&#8217;t want.  Simple, but disagreeable==but still simple.  Kinda like Paddy-Ohoh.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know if people would just have a little consideration and let other people enjoy their movie we could avoid crap like this.

Movie rage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know if people would just have a little consideration and let other people enjoy their movie we could avoid crap like this.</p>
<p>Movie rage</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 - Bobo

The sports star was arrested because he FIRED the gun, right into his own damned leg.  There will be idiots as long as there are people.

&gt;&gt;AGAIN–its when over time guns loose their 
&gt;&gt;macho/hollywood appeal that loser fantacists 
&gt;&gt;will stop stroking their guns.

Handguns have had their &quot;macho/ hollywood appeal&quot; since the 1300s, when they were invented.  Unlikely they&#039;ll lose it anytime soon.  Better we should facilitate that loss similar to the way Switzerland does - make EVERYONE join the armed services, and then hold them responsible for their gun afterwards.  

Education and information and safety training, Bobster.  That&#039;s the key.  Not some misbegotten pie-in-the-sky attempt to ban possession of all firearms.

That cure is worse than the disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 &#8211; Bobo</p>
<p>The sports star was arrested because he FIRED the gun, right into his own damned leg.  There will be idiots as long as there are people.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;AGAIN–its when over time guns loose their<br />
&gt;&gt;macho/hollywood appeal that loser fantacists<br />
&gt;&gt;will stop stroking their guns.</p>
<p>Handguns have had their &#8220;macho/ hollywood appeal&#8221; since the 1300s, when they were invented.  Unlikely they&#8217;ll lose it anytime soon.  Better we should facilitate that loss similar to the way Switzerland does &#8211; make EVERYONE join the armed services, and then hold them responsible for their gun afterwards.  </p>
<p>Education and information and safety training, Bobster.  That&#8217;s the key.  Not some misbegotten pie-in-the-sky attempt to ban possession of all firearms.</p>
<p>That cure is worse than the disease.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24--Mustard==if the law is you can&#039;t have an unregistered gun, then unregistered gun holders are criminals.  Who qualifies to own how many and what kind of guns is up to law. 

Bazooka&#039;s, machine guns, street sweepers etc all should be illegal.

AGAIN--its when over time guns loose their macho/hollywood appeal that loser fantacists will stop stroking their guns.

I&#039;m reminded of that sports star in NYC who is going to be prosecuted for having an unlicensed gun.  The more that happens, the less macho having a gun will be.  The more people arrested for being macho in that way, the more stupid they will appear to be===because they are.

Eventually, I&#039;d like to see cops not carry guns==relying on computers, technology, radios, armed backup and a supportive citizenry to combat crime because people aren&#039;t afraid of being shot by cop.

Its difficult Mustard because I agree no plan will be &quot;perfect.&quot;  Perfection is however a goal to move towards, rather than run away from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24&#8211;Mustard==if the law is you can&#8217;t have an unregistered gun, then unregistered gun holders are criminals.  Who qualifies to own how many and what kind of guns is up to law. </p>
<p>Bazooka&#8217;s, machine guns, street sweepers etc all should be illegal.</p>
<p>AGAIN&#8211;its when over time guns loose their macho/hollywood appeal that loser fantacists will stop stroking their guns.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of that sports star in NYC who is going to be prosecuted for having an unlicensed gun.  The more that happens, the less macho having a gun will be.  The more people arrested for being macho in that way, the more stupid they will appear to be===because they are.</p>
<p>Eventually, I&#8217;d like to see cops not carry guns==relying on computers, technology, radios, armed backup and a supportive citizenry to combat crime because people aren&#8217;t afraid of being shot by cop.</p>
<p>Its difficult Mustard because I agree no plan will be &#8220;perfect.&#8221;  Perfection is however a goal to move towards, rather than run away from.</p>
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