Comments on: Hospital Staff pose for Calender while Ignoring Dying Cancer Patient http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:43:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: QB http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463638 QB Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:36:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463638 bobbo and Greg Allen: did you notice how he immediately Nazism as paradigm example to imply guilt by association. I don't mind rational arguments about topics - you ain't going to get one there. As far as I can see the US is ruining it's competitiveness by foisting it's overly expensive health care costs onto business. For example, it's wiping out your manufacturing sector. bobbo and Greg Allen: did you notice how he immediately Nazism as paradigm example to imply guilt by association. I don’t mind rational arguments about topics – you ain’t going to get one there.

As far as I can see the US is ruining it’s competitiveness by foisting it’s overly expensive health care costs onto business. For example, it’s wiping out your manufacturing sector.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463632 bobbo Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:14:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463632 #18--Paddy===ZERO. THATS the gop plan as Greg plainly stated. Their plan is "the status quo"/no change. 50 Million People UNCOVERED leaving them to NO PREVENTATIVE CARE resulting in more expensive/less effective catch as catch can care in the Emergency Room. Leaving the USA spending by far more than any other nation and getting far worse results. Take it up a notch. #18–Paddy===ZERO. THATS the gop plan as Greg plainly stated. Their plan is “the status quo”/no change. 50 Million People UNCOVERED leaving them to NO PREVENTATIVE CARE resulting in more expensive/less effective catch as catch can care in the Emergency Room. Leaving the USA spending by far more than any other nation and getting far worse results.

Take it up a notch.

]]> By: Paddy-O http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463622 Paddy-O Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:59:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463622 # 17 Greg Allen said, "It’s still better than GOP health care, " Really? The "GOP" has no plan to inject gov't into that private sector. Show me the plan. # 17 Greg Allen said, “It’s still better than GOP health care, ”

Really? The “GOP” has no plan to inject gov’t into that private sector. Show me the plan.

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463616 Greg Allen Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:49:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463616 >> Paddy-O said, >> ANOTHER glowing endorsement for Gov run health care! It's still better than GOP health care, where millions don't get any care at all, no matter how long they wait. >> Paddy-O said,
>> ANOTHER glowing endorsement for Gov run health care!

It’s still better than GOP health care, where millions don’t get any care at all, no matter how long they wait.

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463613 Greg Allen Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:48:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463613 I am NOT picky about how women look but that woman in the red bathing suit is not calendar material. I am NOT picky about how women look but that woman in the red bathing suit is not calendar material.

]]> By: Gasbag http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463332 Gasbag Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:37:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463332 I don't think this so call article is telling the whole story. I have work in an Oz hospital and I can tell you He was waiting for a "bed", hell I know of cases of people sitting around for over 24 hours in A&E waiting! It all comes down to money and where government use it. I don’t think this so call article is telling the whole story. I have work in an Oz hospital and I can tell you He was waiting for a “bed”, hell I know of cases of people sitting around for over 24 hours in A&E waiting! It all comes down to money and where government use it.

]]> By: iscott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463291 iscott Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:40:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463291 Two qualms with the article. The first is that the title here makes it sound like the reason it took twelve hours to admit him is that they were taking photos for this calender. As far as I can tell from the article, completely not true. The second is the use of "Horrendous Tales from the American Medical Establishment" tag over the article which somehow seems not appropriate considering that this happened in Britain. Two qualms with the article. The first is that the title here makes it sound like the reason it took twelve hours to admit him is that they were taking photos for this calender. As far as I can tell from the article, completely not true. The second is the use of “Horrendous Tales from the American Medical Establishment” tag over the article which somehow seems not appropriate considering that this happened in Britain.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463276 Mr. Fusion Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:15:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463276 The guy dies 12 days after being admitted to the Hospital and for some reason the Hospital is being blamed because they were also producing a money raising venture for their cancer clinic? Typical right wing nut observation and conclusion. Is there anyone here that could guarantee that he would have survived in an American hospital? Of course, Greg House could have cured him if he wasn't too busy staring at Cuddy's tits or popping another Vicodin. This was a hospital. People die in hospitals. The guy dies 12 days after being admitted to the Hospital and for some reason the Hospital is being blamed because they were also producing a money raising venture for their cancer clinic? Typical right wing nut observation and conclusion.

Is there anyone here that could guarantee that he would have survived in an American hospital? Of course, Greg House could have cured him if he wasn’t too busy staring at Cuddy’s tits or popping another Vicodin.

This was a hospital. People die in hospitals.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463243 bobbo Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:33:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463243 #10--brm==idiots think and form conclusions based on anecdotes. Statistics show USA spending more on healthcare by multiple factors and being (from memory) 15th on the list of quality outcomes. People posting like you do always have coverage. Good for you==now stop being stupidly self centered. #10–brm==idiots think and form conclusions based on anecdotes.

Statistics show USA spending more on healthcare by multiple factors and being (from memory) 15th on the list of quality outcomes.

People posting like you do always have coverage. Good for you==now stop being stupidly self centered.

]]> By: Mikey Twit http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463235 Mikey Twit Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:23:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463235 #5 Hyperbole much? Actually we agree. I'll keep my Canadian "socialized" universal health care, even with all it's problems, and you can keep your for profit system and all it's problems. One is not necessarily better than the other, but having been born, raised and continuing to live here in Canada, and watching many Canadians I know who though they now live in the U.S., make the bi-annual trip home to stay for a week or two so they DON'T lose the Canadian health care coverage,I'll take my flawed system or yours. You can use that anecdote as you see fit. #5 Hyperbole much?

Actually we agree. I’ll keep my Canadian “socialized” universal health care, even with all it’s problems, and you can keep your for profit system and all it’s problems.

One is not necessarily better than the other, but having been born, raised and continuing to live here in Canada, and watching many Canadians I know who though they now live in the U.S., make the bi-annual trip home to stay for a week or two so they DON’T lose the Canadian health care coverage,I’ll take my flawed system or yours. You can use that anecdote as you see fit.

]]> By: brm http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463224 brm Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:05:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463224 #9 Ron: The idea is that socialized health care is supposed to be *better* than market care. The anecdotes coming from Britain seem worse than anything here in the States, IMO. In Britain, you get shitty care even if you have the money to pay for something better. How frustrating. It's like they took the quality of care a bum coming off the street would get, then forced it on everyone so that no one could feel bad about getting worse care than the next guy. When idealists say everyone should get the same quality of care, they mean that everyone should get the best care. That's impossible. It ends up that everyone gets the worst care. No thanks. #9 Ron:

The idea is that socialized health care is supposed to be *better* than market care.

The anecdotes coming from Britain seem worse than anything here in the States, IMO.

In Britain, you get shitty care even if you have the money to pay for something better. How frustrating. It’s like they took the quality of care a bum coming off the street would get, then forced it on everyone so that no one could feel bad about getting worse care than the next guy.

When idealists say everyone should get the same quality of care, they mean that everyone should get the best care. That’s impossible. It ends up that everyone gets the worst care.

No thanks.

]]> By: Ron Larson http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463203 Ron Larson Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:31:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463203 Gosh.. I remember some recent cases in the wonderful capitalist US medical system where patients died in the waiting room and were left there for hours because no one would bother to see them. If I recall, the cleaning crew actually cleaned around a dead woman laying on the floor of the waiting room. Pot, meet black kettle. Gosh.. I remember some recent cases in the wonderful capitalist US medical system where patients died in the waiting room and were left there for hours because no one would bother to see them. If I recall, the cleaning crew actually cleaned around a dead woman laying on the floor of the waiting room.

Pot, meet black kettle.

]]> By: GF http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463197 GF Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:24:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463197 Why is it that a virus that has killed a man in less than 72 hours is still a mystery? What was it? Why is it that a virus that has killed a man in less than 72 hours is still a mystery? What was it?

]]> By: QB http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463189 QB Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:01:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463189 #5 Oh give me a break. It's so American to zero in the "socialist medicine boogey-man" and miss 1001 naughty nurse jokes. I know, that would be politically incorrect by ditto head standards. :D #5 Oh give me a break. It’s so American to zero in the “socialist medicine boogey-man” and miss 1001 naughty nurse jokes.

I know, that would be politically incorrect by ditto head standards. :D

]]> By: Phydeau http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/31/hospital-staff-pose-for-calender-while-ignoring-dying-cancer-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-1463184 Phydeau Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:58:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35161#comment-1463184 In the U.S., the man would have gotten top flight health care -- IF he could afford it. The average joe would have been in the same situation as this poor guy. "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." -- John Kenneth Galbraith In the U.S., the man would have gotten top flight health care — IF he could afford it. The average joe would have been in the same situation as this poor guy.

“Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it’s just the opposite.”

– John Kenneth Galbraith

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