Comments on: Creationism as “Science” Moves to the UK. Gets Foothold. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:16:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466775 BubbaRay Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:41:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466775 Darnit, QB, now I can't get Wagner and the music out of my head! Kudos for the Norse references. Now <i>that's</i> some Creationism. Here's a very short take on <a href="http://larryavisbrown.homestead.com/files/Ring/Ring0_intro.htm" rel="nofollow">Wagner's 25 year work</a>. Thanks to bobbo, Mr. Mustard, Mr. Fusion, QB, amodedoma and others for making this (near 100 comment) thread so thought-provoking. Darnit, QB, now I can’t get Wagner and the music out of my head! Kudos for the Norse references. Now that’s some Creationism.

Here’s a very short take on Wagner’s 25 year work.

Thanks to bobbo, Mr. Mustard, Mr. Fusion, QB, amodedoma and others for making this (near 100 comment) thread so thought-provoking.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466666 Mr. Fusion Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:48:23 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466666 #95, bobbo, ... <i>like why women don’t make good comedians.</i> Tell that to Cow-Paddy. #95, bobbo,

… like why women don’t make good comedians.

Tell that to Cow-Paddy.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466583 bobbo Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:09:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466583 Mustard--you are my constant star, the true direction, my only Imam. Lots of other good screeds there too==like why women don't make good comedians. Mustard–you are my constant star, the true direction, my only Imam. Lots of other good screeds there too==like why women don’t make good comedians.

]]> By: Mister Mustard http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466579 Mister Mustard Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:58:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466579 You muffed up the link again, Bobbo. You took out the "www", but not the "."; it should be: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yYIs1fkZ2wo&feature=related You muffed up the link again, Bobbo. You took out the “www”, but not the “.”; it should be:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yYIs1fkZ2wo&feature=related

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466575 bobbo Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:52:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466575 Misanthropic Scott, bible believers and thumpers in general: Here is Chritopher Hitchens giving the strongest sermon I have yet to hear on the evils of religion. I'm sure there are worse, I just haven't seen them: "The main source of hatred in the world is religion." http://.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIs1fkZ2wo&feature=related Misanthropic Scott, bible believers and thumpers in general: Here is Chritopher Hitchens giving the strongest sermon I have yet to hear on the evils of religion. I’m sure there are worse, I just haven’t seen them:

“The main source of hatred in the world is religion.”

http://.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIs1fkZ2wo&feature=related

]]> By: Thomas http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466568 Thomas Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:40:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466568 #87 Suppose a professor purported belief that the Easter Bunny is responsible for gravity? Should we consider such a non-scientific hypothesis in the same light as scientific hypotheses? Certainly not. ID is not science. It is not phrased as science and thus should not be treated as science. > I want all the information > presented to me not just > some theory. http://toarchive.org/indexcc/list.html#CA200 http://toarchive.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.html > If the theory was so great > , why isn’t it accepted as a FACT? That species evolve is an observable fact. Darwin's theory is accurate at predicting that evolution under certain conditions. > Darwin’s theory didn’t > explain everything 100% No theory does nor purports to do so. > Neither camp fully explains either. There are no "camps" here. There is science and not science. ID is not science. #87
Suppose a professor purported belief that the Easter Bunny is responsible for gravity? Should we consider such a non-scientific hypothesis in the same light as scientific hypotheses? Certainly not.

ID is not science. It is not phrased as science and thus should not be treated as science.

> I want all the information
> presented to me not just
> some theory.

http://toarchive.org/indexcc/list.html#CA200
http://toarchive.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.html

> If the theory was so great
> , why isn’t it accepted as a FACT?

That species evolve is an observable fact. Darwin’s theory is accurate at predicting that evolution under certain conditions.

> Darwin’s theory didn’t
> explain everything 100%

No theory does nor purports to do so.

> Neither camp fully explains either.

There are no “camps” here. There is science and not science. ID is not science.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466542 Mr. Fusion Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:25:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466542 Stephanie <i>Can any of you tell my why only some scholars can voice their working opinion but others are banned from institutions if they voice theirs in favor of intelligent design? </i> Intelligent design is no more a science than “Hide and Seek” or Grimms Fairy Tales. If you come looking for a job and start spouting gibberish then don't expect to be hired. <i>Darwin’s theory didn’t explain everything 100%. That is a FACT. </i> Very true and accepted. It is however, based on solid facts. As new information becomes available or is discovered then the “theory is adjusted or changed to reflect the new knowledge. HOWEVER, intelligent design is not science and is not based upon any facts. To suggest it is a science would be to deny all that is true and factual. <i>Guess what everyone, there is still stuff that we DON’T know about the origin of life. </i> Again, true. Tossing out ideas though that have no factual basis though isn't the answer. <i>Intelligent design doesn’t equate to creationism. Intelligent design does not equate to Christianity. </i> ID is Christianity wrapped up in sheep's clothing. Stephanie

Can any of you tell my why only some scholars can voice their working opinion but others are banned from institutions if they voice theirs in favor of intelligent design?

Intelligent design is no more a science than “Hide and Seek” or Grimms Fairy Tales. If you come looking for a job and start spouting gibberish then don’t expect to be hired.

Darwin’s theory didn’t explain everything 100%. That is a FACT.

Very true and accepted. It is however, based on solid facts. As new information becomes available or is discovered then the “theory is adjusted or changed to reflect the new knowledge.

HOWEVER, intelligent design is not science and is not based upon any facts. To suggest it is a science would be to deny all that is true and factual.

Guess what everyone, there is still stuff that we DON’T know about the origin of life.

Again, true. Tossing out ideas though that have no factual basis though isn’t the answer.

Intelligent design doesn’t equate to creationism. Intelligent design does not equate to Christianity.

ID is Christianity wrapped up in sheep’s clothing.

]]> By: QB http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466537 QB Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:11:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466537 For God's sake (no pun intended), if we're going to teach creationsim (whatever that is) in school let's at least make it interesting. Let's get rid of Eve (Ann Coulter with bigger boobs) and that wimp Adam (he couldn't handle power tools let alone stand up to Eve) and switch to the Norse myth. Now we're talking. Big manly gods, buxomy goddesses, fire swords, frozen wastelands, killing, death, and cow that feeds everyone. We're talking heavy metal creation myths here - not of that limp wristed, mamby-pamby Judeo-Christian crap that we always hear about. I feel a power ballad coming on. For God’s sake (no pun intended), if we’re going to teach creationsim (whatever that is) in school let’s at least make it interesting. Let’s get rid of Eve (Ann Coulter with bigger boobs) and that wimp Adam (he couldn’t handle power tools let alone stand up to Eve) and switch to the Norse myth.

Now we’re talking. Big manly gods, buxomy goddesses, fire swords, frozen wastelands, killing, death, and cow that feeds everyone. We’re talking heavy metal creation myths here – not of that limp wristed, mamby-pamby Judeo-Christian crap that we always hear about.

I feel a power ballad coming on.

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466500 bobbo Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:13:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466500 #87--Stephie==for the same reason Astrology should not be taught in Astronomy: ITS NOT SCIENCE!!!!! "Just a theory"---See Bubba==can you xerox those Dip Dork Awards or are they still made out of base metal? #87–Stephie==for the same reason Astrology should not be taught in Astronomy: ITS NOT SCIENCE!!!!!

“Just a theory”—See Bubba==can you xerox those Dip Dork Awards or are they still made out of base metal?

]]> By: Paddy-O http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466496 Paddy-O Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:59:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466496 # 87 Stephanie said, "Does a middle road not exist?" Not for the priests on both sides... # 87 Stephanie said, “Does a middle road not exist?”

Not for the priests on both sides…

]]> By: Stephanie http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466493 Stephanie Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:48:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466493 Dvorak... did you happen to see "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed"? Can any of you tell my why only some scholars can voice their working opinion but others are banned from institutions if they voice theirs in favor of intelligent design? I want all the information presented to me not just some theory. If the theory was so great, why isn't it accepted as a FACT? Darwin's theory didn't explain everything 100%. That is a FACT. Guess what everyone, there is still stuff that we DON'T know about the origin of life. Neither camp fully explains either. It is a shame that some of you are so adamant that you know much like you were f'n there when life started. Intelligent design doesn't equate to creationism. Intelligent design does not equate to Christianity. Does a middle road not exist? Dvorak… did you happen to see “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed”?

Can any of you tell my why only some scholars can voice their working opinion but others are banned from institutions if they voice theirs in favor of intelligent design? I want all the information presented to me not just some theory. If the theory was so great, why isn’t it accepted as a FACT? Darwin’s theory didn’t explain everything 100%. That is a FACT.

Guess what everyone, there is still stuff that we DON’T know about the origin of life. Neither camp fully explains either. It is a shame that some of you are so adamant that you know much like you were f’n there when life started. Intelligent design doesn’t equate to creationism. Intelligent design does not equate to Christianity.

Does a middle road not exist?

]]> By: gmknobl http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466380 gmknobl Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:06:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466380 You can't call yourself a scientist if you believe in intelligent design otherwise known as creationism. And if you thought ID wasn't creationism, check out the PBS series NOVA "Intelligent Design on Trial" which shows conclusively they are the same, reworded to get it taught in schools. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/ht/wm/3416_01_220.html These jokers deserve nothing but our disdain. You can’t call yourself a scientist if you believe in intelligent design otherwise known as creationism. And if you thought ID wasn’t creationism, check out the PBS series NOVA “Intelligent Design on Trial” which shows conclusively they are the same, reworded to get it taught in schools.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/ht/wm/3416_01_220.html

These jokers deserve nothing but our disdain.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466362 Mr. Fusion Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:33:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466362 #83, Bubba, I commend your choice for the first BRDDA of 2009. As usual, your choice is well deserved and self evident. May the heavens continue to be cloudless whenever you have observatory time. #83, Bubba,

I commend your choice for the first BRDDA of 2009. As usual, your choice is well deserved and self evident.

May the heavens continue to be cloudless whenever you have observatory time.

]]> By: qsabe http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466338 qsabe Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:00:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466338 Creation should be taught. As should all ancient mythologies. So modern kids can understand how the more superstitious peoples were controlled by their masters in the more simpler times of the past. Creation should be taught. As should all ancient mythologies. So modern kids can understand how the more superstitious peoples were controlled by their masters in the more simpler times of the past.

]]> By: BubbaRay http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/creationism-as-science-moves-to-the-uk-gets-foothold/comment-page-5/#comment-1466284 BubbaRay Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:07:49 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=35898#comment-1466284 Aww, bobbo, I just couldn't pass it up. Personal attacks just don't go over well this early in the year. Besides, it's been months since I've awarded the BRDDA. I know you don't want one this early! Just because I'm BubbaRay isn't any reason to group me with all the "bubbas." I got stuck with this name years and years ago. You can call me Ray, and you can call me Jay... And Jerry Springer? I didn't know he was a mayor! I've heard rumors he has a TV show that has sponsors and everything. If so, he can't be too dumb. Wish he'd send me a check, he can probably afford it. Aww, bobbo, I just couldn’t pass it up. Personal attacks just don’t go over well this early in the year. Besides, it’s been months since I’ve awarded the BRDDA. I know you don’t want one this early!

Just because I’m BubbaRay isn’t any reason to group me with all the “bubbas.” I got stuck with this name years and years ago. You can call me Ray, and you can call me Jay…

And Jerry Springer? I didn’t know he was a mayor! I’ve heard rumors he has a TV show that has sponsors and everything. If so, he can’t be too dumb. Wish he’d send me a check, he can probably afford it.

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