You Just Can’t Make This Crap Up Dept: Joe The Plumber — War Correspondent

Published on January 7th, 2009

I guess if he can be a plumber, pretty much anyone can be a journalist.

The world’s most famous plumber will travel to Israel to report on the fighting.

On the campaign trail he’s known as “Joe the Plumber.” When he heads to the Gaza Strip, he’ll be Joe Wurzelbacher, “War Correspondent.”

“If given the opportunity to do some good however minute it may be, or could be something really good, you gotta take that chance. You have to do it,” says Joe Wurzelbacher.

Wurzelbacher will travel to Israel to report for the conservative website, pjtv.com. He intends to get the, often lost, Israeli reason for the offensive against Hamas.

“It’s tragic, I mean it really is. I don’t say that in any little way. It’s very tragic, but at the same time what are the Israeli people suppose to do,” says Wurzelbacher.
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“I get to go over there and let their “Average Joes” share their story, what they think, how they feel, especially with world opinion, maybe get a real story out there,” says Wurzelbacher.

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# 1 jmsiowa said, on January 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

“I guess if he can be a plumber, pretty much anyone can be a journalist.”

True…. Also,
“If anybody can post to a blog, pretty much anyone can be a journalist.”

I post, therefore, I am.

# 2 skunky said, on January 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

the guy’s name isn’t Joe, it’s Samuel.

And he’s not a plumber either.

and right-wing blogs wonder why no one takes them seriously

discuss.

# 3 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

I think the “average Palestinian” will slit his throat–absent security that is.

# 4 sargasso said, on January 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

A plumber visits a toilet, and becomes a journalist?

# 5 Dallas said, on January 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

Is he also dropping out as Palin’s running mate?

Where will the GOP get their mojo for the 2023 elections?

# 6 Malcolm said, on January 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

[violation of posting guidelines]

# 7 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

#4–sargasso==excellent.

#5–Dallas==you ask: “Where will the GOP get their mojo for the 2023 elections?” /// Probably from a reaction to the nutball fanatical far left who will be upset Obama doesn’t jerk the country as far left as BushtheRetard did off center to the right.

Politics is overly influenced by the minority fringes on both ends. It is “conflict.” It is newsworthy. It is a corruption–especially when they get hold of an entire party as they did in 2000 and 2004.

# 8 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Wow. That was the most nonsensical comment I’ve read in a long long time.

Your 7 was much better. Especially this “Politics is overly influenced by the minority fringes on both ends. It is “conflict.” It is newsworthy. It is a corruption–especially when they get hold of an entire party as they did in 2000 and 2004.”

Unfortunately, the really describes only the US elections.

# 9 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

#8–NT-Jlap==I think the election of Hamas was even worse than our own Repuglican example now ending. Hamas is all terrorists, Repuglicans are just mostly stupid self centered cretins although the difference may be too small to interest a debate.

So, you think “the average” Palestinian given a chance would not slit the throat of an pro Israeli has the right to bomb Gaza person huh? Tell me again how Hamas won the election?

# 10 Dallas said, on January 7th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

#7 Agree, but I believe the democratic party is much more in tune with ‘the center’ than ever.

The radical right has imposed social issues as the GOP party platform for years and they are unlikely to yield anytime soon.

They will continue to pull the GOP in the direction of abortion, gay marriage and social issues that are either obsolete, a losing proposition or a don’t care to the majority of Americans.

The only way for the GOP to regain strength is with a clown, a pussy and a hoop. Joe the plumber was the clown.

# 11 ForTheRecord said, on January 7th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

If Sean Penn can be a reporter in Iran, what’s wrong with Joe the Plumber in Israel?

# 12 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

#10–Dallas==I’m down with you. So, Lieberman is the pussy, and I think it was O’Neal who just bought a house in Georgia right–is he the hoop or is there a Native American dancing hard right now===oh, ok, Tindale (sp?) That is quite a line up.

But seriously folks, it is a Shakespearean tragedy for any honest person to be a Repuglican these days. Imagine having to satisfy the religious right minority in order to get the nomination. Holy Conundrum. Which would be better–confront them as McCain did in 2000, or kowtow to them as McCain did in 2008?

# 13 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

What, are you drunk? Can you retype your message with proper semantics and language rules?

Just re-read it and then fix it up. God, dealing with teenagers is just not worth it. Don’t worry. I won’t tell your mommy you’ve found her vermouth.

# 14 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

#13–JKNT-Jlap==so, what is your solution to Gaza? One that could actually work as opposed to suggesting Israel should cease to exist as a measure of their good will?

Mine is==enforce the wall barrier and embargo and return 10 mortar shells for every one sent over. Offer a two state solution when Palestine agrees Israel may exist.

Yours?

# 15 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

#11 – FTR

>>If Sean Penn can be a reporter in Iran,
>>what’s wrong with Joe the Plumber in Israel?

Sean Penn is an OK actor. “Joe” the “Plumber” is a useless douche bag, an admitted liar/ tax cheat, and a political stooge for the Radical Right.

Nobody gives a fuck what “Joe” the “Plumber” has to say about anything.

Besides, Sean Penn was never a “reporter in Iran”. He took out an ad in the newspaper asking Dumbya to “end the cycle of violence” in the Middle East, and later on he visited Tehran for a few days. No “reporting” involved.

# 16 Uncle Dave said, on January 7th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

#14: “Offer a two state solution when Palestine agrees Israel may exist.”

Yeah, like that will ever happen.

# 17 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

#16–Uncle Dave==good link. Thanks. I wasn’t aware of the Dreyfus connection. I also think Palestine has to do more than “say” Israel can exist.

I disagree that Israel has been too defensive==in fact, they have failed to take enough blood from their enemies==leaving them to think they are winning or still have a chance.

No, I think disproportionate response (aka, the Powell Doctrine) is what is needed here. This will lead to an interim solution of two states. This will last a short while then the Palestinian government while declaring Israels right to exist will sponsor covert terrorism against Israel. This will lead to Palestine and its people being wiped from the earth. The other outcome would be for Israel to cease to exist. Which is more likely?

More convinced than ever that Israel will take out Iran. Better an impossible Mess than Iran with nukes.

All brought to us by Religion. Thanks god.

# 18 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

14,

Two state solution? Right here.
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/about/aims/

# 19 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

#18–JKNT-Jlap==so your solution is one that has been rejected without exception throughout history huh?

Right of Return? A right to leave a country and turn around to fight and kill the legal (yea, I know) co-occupiers for the purpose of wiping them off the face of the earth and when you lose, you get to go back as if none of that had ever happened?

Just Keep Not Thinking-Just lie a palestinian.

Dream On. No–I said “a solution that would work.”

# 20 Mr. Fusion said, on January 7th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

#16, Uncle Dave,

From your link.

The poverty and the death and the despair among the Palestinians in Gaza moves me to tears. How can it not? Who can see pictures of children in a war zone or a slum street and not be angry and bewildered and driven to protest? And what is so appalling is that it is so unnecessary. For there can be peace and prosperity at the smallest of prices. The Palestinians need only say that they will allow Israel to exist in peace. They need only say this tiny thing, and mean it, and there is pretty much nothing they cannot have.

So while they continue to be pummeled by the bully, it is their fault just because they won’t say some stupid thing. While Israel continues to harass, kill with impunity, deny basic rights, imprison without cause, beat Palestinians without reason, and continually destroy the Palestinian infrastructure it is the Palestinian’s fault simply because they won’t bow down to the bully?

That not only sums it up, it is pretty sick.

# 21 Mr. Fusion said, on January 7th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

I don’t give a shit what Joe the Plumber does or where he goes. He’s an asshole and only fellow assholes will be reading what he writes anyway.

# 22 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

19,

What the hell is wrong with you? You asked a question. I gave you an answer. I didn’t comment on your puerile and ridiculous “solution”. You can’t even think logically. All you look for is a fight. Even this “Just Keep Not Thinking-Just lie a palestinian”. It’s not even proper English or intelligible!

Bobbo… you are illogical, childish and angry. You’re probably angry because everyone in high-school keeps beating you up cause your mommy doesn’t buy you clothes that fit and you wouldn’t even know what to do with a pocket full of cash to buy your own clothes. So, as you pick yourself off the playground, again and again, you vow you will get even with everyone you hate on the Internet! It’s the only place where you can safely talk shit and then put your hand down your pants as you surf for mommy porn.

One thing I do know… since you’ve been a Christian all your life, changing into a “Western Atheist” was the scariest thing you did… Sure, you still go to church with your mommy, but you swear to God that you don’t believe in him. Really swear! Cross your heart swear. Keep at it though. Maybe God will give you the strength to succeed.

And, as to my solution. Gush Shalom has done one billion things more for Israel and Palestine than you have done for your mommy at home. They live there. The fight there. They KNOW what the solution is.

You just know what you talk… shit.

# 23 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

#20–Fusion==only because it is related to JKNT-Jlap==is that your understanding of “all that Palestine has to “say”–or what it actually has to “do?” Big difference. Say is nonsense, do is not likely.

#21–JKNT-Jlap==again==I expressly said a solution that “could actually work as opposed to suggesting Israel should cease to exist as a measure of their good will.” Your solution is NONSENSE directly violating the stated condition.

I’ll wait while you pony up any single example of “right to return.”

I’ll wait, but I won’t hold my breath.

# 24 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

#20 – Mr. Fusion

>>it is their fault just because they won’t
>>say some stupid thing.

Hmmm. I’m not sure “We will allow you to exist” is just some stupid thing.

# 25 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

23,

Has the two-state solution that Gush Shalom proposed been implemented at any time in history? No. Therefore, you don’t know what COULD work. You only know what YOU personally think COULD work. Judging by your overall lack of understanding and basic idiocy, you don’t know a lot. And if you believe your own moronic “solution” would work, you are even stupider than I fear.

Again. You have 0 practical understanding of the conflict there. What you DO know is that you watch a lot of TV and sometimes you get relevant information… mostly from me. But, you don’t like relevant information from me because you are an idiot.

So, tell your mommy you’re going to be up late learning about comprehension and synthesis. It’s going to be a VERY long night for you.

# 26 ForTheRecord said, on January 7th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

Mustard,

“Actor Sean Penn, covering the presidential election in Iran as a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle, had his camera confiscated briefly Sunday.

Several hundred women had participated in a sit-in outside the entrance to Tehran University, demanding rights they lost following the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Chants and taunts grew louder and police surrounded the demonstrators and pushed people who were trying to join the group. In addition, authorities cut off cell phone service in the area and challenged reporters observing the protest.

Authorities briefly seized the video camera of Penn, reported Editor & Publisher.

Meanwhile, Iran saw one of its most violent days in more than a decade, with five bombs killing at least nine and wounding dozens in the center of Tehran.

# 27 MikeN said, on January 7th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

Does he have a license?

# 28 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

#25–named. You admit “right of return” has never been tried. Congrats, I didn’t think it was in you.

So, we have 7000 years of history (don’t fall for it) showing “NO right of return” works, as it does, and you suggest to give it a try because I don’t know it couldn’t work?? For the fourth time, you make a big point out of something that cuts against or flatly contradicts your own position.

Lets put this to a scientific test: Lets both go out and get 15 rattlesnakes, 13 scorpions, 4 millipededs, and 16 funnel spiders. I will put my new fellow occupants into cages. You let them loose to roam as they will.

Check back in a few years and let me know how it works out. You know it definately “could” work out.

How come you aren’t stupid when its your own interest at stake???????

# 29 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

28,

You’re idiocy has failed you again.
Quoting some fool here…
“So, we have 7000 years of history (don’t fall for it) showing “NO right of return” works”
You know a Jew has “right of return” don’t you? No, I suppose you don’t.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return
Well, since, in your infinite wisdom, know that it doesn’t work, and for 7000 years (I didn’t fall for it) hasn’t worked, you should be at the front lines in Israel, and any country for that matter, demanding the expulsion of any migrant people from, say, Europe or America, to leave the Middle East, or any country, immediately.

Now… as I said before. Comprehension and synthesis. Tell mommy you’re busy. Hell, go to the library and take out books some books. I suggest, at your intellectual level to start with The Very Hungry Caterpillar. When you’re done with that, and, this is very important, UNDERSTAND IT, let me know. I’ll recommend the next book for you.

As for your “scientific” test… “Lets put this to a scientific test: Lets both go out and get 15 rattlesnakes, 13 scorpions, 4 millipededs, and 16 funnel spiders. I will put my new fellow occupants into cages. You let them loose to roam as they will.” I’ll top you on that. Let’s put some HUMAN BEINGS in a country, and give ALL OF THEM the chance to BE human beings, with opportunity and peace and FREEDOM, and we’ll check back in a couple of generations. What do you think will happen? I’ll tell you what one of the anomalies will be… Another bobbo will be born. Don’t blame the intelligent ones. Sometimes a defect shows up and survives.

You keep working with your cynical insects. Which of the insects or arachnids are you? I’m guessing…. meal worm. You’re pure fodder.

I can sense your blood pressure building. It’s hard to fight intelligence. Now, go and snuggle up to mommy. Maybe even ask her to suckle at her teat for comfort.

# 30 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

#20–named==the Fifth Time you have argued against what you YOURSELF LINK TO as proof of your position. Do you know what “supportive evidence” is? It means it is CONSISTENT with what you want to achieve–not AGAINST IT.

You post Jews have a right of return and that it works (Yes, we agree). Your wiki Link shows other countries that have decided to give a Right of Return (RoR) to “their people” who are now in foreign lands. Note: The Country in Question decides who gets to return==not any group outside the country. Logically, this really should be called a “Grant of Return” rather than a Right so that certain good folks don’t get confused.

But, as with every link you have provided on every argument, here is the Killer: “Most Israelis virtually equate the Right of Return with Israel’s destruction.”===and guess what? Israel has not given the Palestinians a “Grant to Return.”

I don’t follow your point that I should be on the front lines arguing for expulsion for anyone else. I am for Nation States having secure borders and that illegal immigrants should be removed from the USA==pretty close to what you are saying. The Russians, the Spanish, t he Vikings, the French, the English have NO RoR to my Homeland. My ancestors conquered it fair and square. If the indians wanted to keep it, they should have fought harder. Same with the Palestinians–the same as it is for EVERYONE else.

As to the scientific experiment, I tried to make it easy on you. Bugs can’t talk. Humans do. Palestinians say they want to kill all the Jews and wipe them from the face of the earth. Why would I invite them into my house? At least with a poisonous bug, you have a chance.

There is no opportunity for peace with a muslim fanatic who wants to kill you. Silly on your part. The “Big Lie” does not get a hearing in Israel. Do you believe, or not like many Palestinians, that there was a holocaust? You see, Israeli’s have been lied to before by the likes of Hamas.

Heres an interim move of good faith: Let the surrounding Arab countries allow the Christian and Jewish faiths to be followed as the Muslim faith is allowed in Israel and the West. How about that before the poisonous lying insects are invited into the house?

Insects aren’t cynical. Thinking anyone is dumb/naive enough to set them loose in a house is pretty cynical though.

JKHT-Jlap. A treasure trove of faulty logic, contradicting links, and Freudian Desperation.

# 31 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

30,

Bobbo… you are ALL over the place.

I’m just going to focus on one aspect of it. Because it clearly shows your bias, and dare I say, your racism…

Yes. Let’s have ONE group of people with privilege and another without. I guess in your twisted view the Africans shipped to America were slaves because they didn’t fight hard enough. So, therefore, you should have some African slaves at home right now washing your mommys underwear. But, dammit, something called human rights got in the way, and your mommy has been walking around in filthy underwear since then.

The Very Hungry Caterpillar. Read it. Its just about at your level… Ages 2-3. In fact, I bet on first blush, you’ll imagine that the Caterpillar is the strongest, bestest, most pure of God’s creatures… since he ate so many fruits and sausages… and they were powerless against his supremacy!

You are such a fool.

But, you know, I’m glad you’re just a harmless troll. Otherwise, you might do something really stupid. A little McVeigh stupid in fact….

# 32 Ah-Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

#16 Uncle Dave. An excellent post. Explains things as they are very well.

As I have said before, only 2 types of people believe the Palestinians have any rights, the willingly naive or the antisemitic.

Bobbo is correct in every assertion he has put forward. The Palestinians have lost all rights to a homeland due to what they have done. (And if you don’t know what that is, be forewarned this is one of my famous traps. Myself and Bobbo do know if you are stupid enough, named, to fall into this trap then you are definitely the Willing Ignorant).

Named, I find it comical that you post a link to the Palestinian Right to Return to support your argument when that very link outlines quite well one of the many reasons they are in such difficult circumstances. Taken with Uncle Dave’s link above, we have this:

“The non-binding UN General Assembly Resolution 194 was passed on December 11, 1948 which recommended that the Palestinian and Jewish refugees should be permitted to return if they are willing to live in peace with their neighbors”.

“willing to live in peace with their neighbors”, that’s from your link, named.

“The Arab states originally rejected this resolution”. Your link again, named. REJECTED THIS RESOLUTION. PERIOD.

“At the 2000 negotiation at Camp David between Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, for instance, the right of return was one issue on which the talks broke down. Barak was willing to accept a Palestinian state taking in the Gaza Strip and most of the West Bank, plus co-sovereignty over Jerusalem, but would not accept a Palestinian right of return to Israel. Arafat for his part would not accept any settlement that did not contain at least some provisions on this issue.”

Israel went the distance again and again to have peace but the Arabs would not, instead choosing war and suffering, Why?

“The Palestinians need only say that they will allow Israel to exist in peace. They need only say this tiny thing, and mean it, and there is pretty much nothing they cannot have.

Yet they will not say it. And they will not mean it. For they do not want the Jews. Again and again – again and again – the Palestinians have been offered a nation state in a divided Palestine. And again and again they have turned the offer down, for it has always been more important to drive out the Jews than to have a Palestinian state. It is difficult sometimes to avoid the feeling that Hamas and Hezbollah don’t want to kill Jews because they hate Israel. They hate Israel because they want to kill Jews.”

THEY WANT TO KILL JEWS.

After careful consideration, named, it is obvious that you are either:
A) Too “uninformed” to talk on this subject, or
B) Flaming antisemitic, or
C) Both.

I’m voting for C.

# 33 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

30,

You can’t get your English correct, nor your numbering…

Anyhoo, I never said this.
You post Jews have a right of return and that it works (Yes, we agree).

I said they HAVE the right. That is all. I know that it is hard for you to take objectivity, but it is something you’ll have to learn before your mommy can get you a pet cat.

# 34 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

30…

So, I was thinking about something… and you said this:
So, we have 7000 years of history (don’t fall for it) showing “NO right of return” works,

Let me phrase something for you.. NO right of return works. Your words. NO RIGHT OF RETURN WORKS. Your words. So, how do you suddenly figure it works for Jews?

# 35 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

Named==racist? What I say applies to all people everywhere over time. Not favorable to any one group except as they may find themselves currently situated. Racism==the cry of someone with no stones to throw.

1. I guess in your twisted view the Africans shipped to America were slaves because they didn’t fight hard enough. /// Correct. A complete tautology–or add they weren’t smart enough, or they were just unlucky. Speaking of racism: No AFRICAN country other than Israel offers a RoR. Interesting huh? So, the Palestians, in ass-backward manner, are demanding a RoR that is not recognized by any Arab State either. Smooth Move Ex lax seems an appropriate summation.

2. I don’t know how your formulation results in my owning slaves. All people everywhere should be free. Free to decide and free to suffer the consequences of their decisions. When you decide to fight a war and lose==you lose your land. Thats true for EVERYBODY==JEW, ARAB, WHITE, BLACK etc.

I do tend to call people stupid for the ideas/lack of knowledge/incoherent logic they use, or a small acronym. It acts more as a summary of the discussion. You sure spend a lot of time in mindless ad hominem attack. Silly.

# 36 Ah-Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

I can’t resist. Toying with you, named, is too much easy fun.

So, let me give you a question, the answer to which is very easy to find.

Why doesn’t Jordan take in the Palestinians?
Why does Egypt have close borders with Gaza?

Hint: The Palestinians did have a homeland in Jordan and Egypt and were driven out, and it had nothing to do with Israel or the UN. Now teach yourself.

(This conversation reminds me of a somewhat unkind joke I would play on little children. I would give a 2 year old some double-sided sticky tape and watch as the poor kid would try to get it off his hands.)

named, you are this 2 year old.

# 37 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

32,

As I have said before, only 2 types of people believe the Palestinians have any rights, the willingly naive or the antisemitic.

Really? Is that it? Do you even know what a Semite is? I suppose not…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic

You’re obviously a racist.

As for your belief in all of Bobbos crap, you really don’t get it either, do you. I never said Jews don’t have a right to live there in peace. I never said they should die. I never supported Hamas.

What you fail to understand, perhaps you are just illiterate, is that bobbo said in his post “NO right of return” works. But, it does for foreign Jews? I don’t know. Maybe his fragmented and horrible English makes sense to you, which is sad, but it seems awfully conflicting to me.

Bobbo asked me what I suggest would work in Israel. I showed him this.
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/about/aims/

He went off on a tangent about how snakes and scorpions and funnel spiders live with his mommiess underwear and he can’t get enough suckle time while he rails against God as he pretends to be western Atheist. I suggest you don’t encourage him, since he is just a child.

And then you go off and call me C. Rich. But, I guess when you don’t have logic or understanding or intelligence the only recourse you have is slander. Meh. Not impressed.

# 38 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

35
No AFRICAN country other than Israel…

Israel is now in Africa? How about that! And you wonder why the rest of your arguments are specious?

# 39 Ah-Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

Oh, Bobbo. I never congratulated you on picking what I believe to be one of the best Usernames I’ve come across.

I know enough Spanish to get around, so I know what your Username means. After having talked and debated with you on various occasions, I know you are just the opposite.

Your self-deprivating humor always gives me a chuckle!

# 40 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

*sigh*

Why doesn’t Jordan take in the Palestinians? Because most of the Arab countries are treating the Palestinians as pawns in a regional struggle. But that doesn’t make the Palestinians any less human and deserving of their land. The British partitioned the Mandate for two states… Israel and Palestine in 1917. You might not get that. Begin and his gang bombed the British out of the country and then started expanding. Pretty standard fare in fact. Unfortunately, they got a bit of a head start with the whole partition thing though… There was once this one guy, Einstein was his name I think. He signed some letter about the regional politics, and particularly about Begin… the letter is here.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/New_Palestine_Party;_Visit_of_Menachen_Begin_and_Aims_of_Political_Movement_Discussed
Here’s a choice quote…
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

Why does Egypt have close borders with Gaza?
Because Israel and Egypt agreed to a US brokered ceasefire which ensure that both nations received a yearly stipend from the US. And Egypt is NOT going to let that money go. Oh, and they are using the Palestinians as a pawn in a regional power struggle… possibly.

So, Socrates, did I pass the sticky tape test?

# 41 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

#38–named. You got me there. See?==When you are right, I agree. Egypt is in Africa but indeed that is just the nose of the camel–the hump lies in Asia–or the Middle East if you prefer.

Post anything else that I can agree with, I beg you.

I also want to apologize for using analogies to demonstrate the logic (sic) of your position. I’ve tried addressing it directly, by analogy, and pointing out your own proof speaks against your position. Nothing seems to work.

You know what this means??????

WAR!!!!!!!!!!

But when its over, I want the RoR==if I lose. If I win, you don’t get it.

The way of the world.

# 42 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

41,

WAR? What the hell are you talking about? This is a BLOG on the INTERNET. Pathetic.

Oh, and you didn’t agree with anything. Your idiocy caught you in a non-negotiable way. I’m sure you thought for a few minutes about how you could frame the region as “African” but gave up on it once you looked at the UEFA tournament and saw that Israel plays in Europe. Then you got all screwed up and said “Shit! I have NO CLUE WHATS GOING ON!” So you cut your losses and said some crap about going to WAR!!!!!!!!!!! on the Internet.

Weird stuff. Truly weird.

After that last outbreak, I’m going to do a little bobboesque move…
BBIMCV = Bobbo is McVeigh.

# 43 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

#9–Ah Yea, thanks. My French is better than my Italian. I thought Bobbo meant “Prince of Aristotelian Logic” but Mustard tells me I can’t punctuate, and now named is telling me I don’t have a clue. I visited the Guinness Brewery in Ireland and bought one of their pseudonymous black sweaters. It wasn’t until a few months later my wife told me it didn’t say “Genius.” Some days, getting the peanut gallery to laugh, just doesn’t seem worthwhile.

#40–named–is that the same Menachem Begin who signed the peace treaty with Sadat because Egypt declared Israel had a right to exist?

It was?????

And then who killed Sadat?

It was?????

Lots of people are assholes in their youth. Some do it the other way around. Whats your point?

# 44 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

#39 – Ah-Yea

>>I know enough Spanish to get around

Not to get around in Bobbo-town, you don’t. There’s no such Spanish word as “Bobbo”. In fact, I can’t even think of a Spanish word that has two of the same consonants together, other than words like “llamón” or “lloriquear”, but “ll” is more like its own letter.

Although both of THOSE words might apply to Bobbo, you’re giving him way too many irony credits in his name selection. In the irony department, si Bobbo quisiera decir “Bobo”, es estúpido de verdad.

# 45 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

#43 – Bobo/ Bobbo

>> I visited the Guinness Brewery in Ireland

Then you should know it’s called the St. James’s Gate Brewery. They just make Guinness there.

# 46 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

I took the nick from the Peter Sellers movie of the same name:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061414/

but added a corruption of my own real nickname for the added zest. All art is personal.

# 47 Named said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

43,

Yep. The same Begin who was a terrorist that became a statesmen. Funny that.

As for Sadat, I guess the next Israeli that looks for peace might expect a little Yitzhak Rabin treatment…

# 48 Ah-Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

named,

Nope, you lost. I knew you would. You fell into the trap just like the 2 year old.

The only reason to post these links is in the believe that you present a good case to teach others the real foundations of the Arab-Israel conflict. Since you obviously lack the reasoning ability to understand what has already been presented and the good quality of humility which would allow you to be taught why such things as why a right to return cannot work with Israel, I don’t expect you to take the time to understand what I will present next.
http://tinyurl.com/5nsr5l
http://tinyurl.com/726xna Start of pg 257.

Now I want you to pay real close attention to the Husseini clan links here.
http://tinyurl.com/8qob56
http://tinyurl.com/75376k

The only problem now is critical thinking just isn’t your forte. (That means strength).

By the way;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

Learn it since you may have become it.

(P.S. Bobbo, you may like these links as well, but unlike named, you will appreciate them.)

# 49 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

#45–Mustard==excellent. I don’t remember that at all. I said I wasn’t a genius–at least by implication. Sharp memory there mustard. Admirable.

# 50 Ah_Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

You’re welcome, Bobbo!

named,

Nope, you lost. I knew you would. You fell into the trap just like the 2 year old.

Now I want you to pay real close attention to the Husseini clan links here.
http://tinyurl.com/8qob56
http://tinyurl.com/75376k

The only problem now is critical thinking just isn’t your forte. (That means strength).

By the way;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

Learn it since you may have become it.

(P.S. Bobbo, you may like these links as well, but unlike named, you will appreciate them.)

# 51 Uncle Patso said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

I wish him the best of luck — he’ll need it. And who knows, he may just stumble onto something worth watching or writing about — though I doubt his new employers will want to air/publish it if so…

# 52 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

#48 – Bobbo

>>I don’t remember that at all.

Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._James’s_Gate_Brewery

You’ll find it in the Wiki, you’ll find it in the Wiki, you’ll find it in the Wiki so you’ll know .. it’s … true.

# 53 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

#50 – Mustard

Christ.

Even without the “www”, this blog software STILL fucks up the URL. This “upgrade” must be like the XP->Vista transition. Take something tha works, and break it.

# 54 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

#52–Mustard, that doesn’t help at all. I found some info here:

http://iht.com/articles/2008/05/09/business/beer.php

and then googled Guinness and got the same at wiki and elsewhere. Not expressly clear to me if St James Gateway is the name of the owner, or the location of one of the Guinness Breweries or “if it is both.”

Whatever, you might be technically correct (as you specialize in) but miss the popular usage totally (as you tend to do).

In any case, it makes me thirsty, and all I have is Heineken, Sierra Nevada (local brew pub beer), and some mexican beer in a can.

I have to say, even in Ireland, I enjoyed Guinness mixed with an ale. I like the more complex mix without the heavier coating the pure Guinness gives. Lucky, the local brew pub has a Guinness knock off and 10 other brews to mix with it.

# 55 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

#51 – Uncle Patso

>>though I doubt his new employers will want
>>to air/publish it if so…

Hoo boy. Ain’t THAT the truth. Calling pjtv.com (aka “pajamas TV”) a “conservative web site” is like calling Bush a brainiac. In addition to the heavy-duty pimping they do of “Joe” the “Plumber”, they have their very own page on “Media Bias”, describing the left-wing commie pinko fags of the MSM.

Overview of Media Bias

The Pajamas TV Media Bias show will focus on exposing both bias and deception by the typically liberal Main Stream Media as well as bias and deception by groups exploiting the media.

If I didn’t know better, I’d think this must be one a them thar Onion things.

# 56 Ah_Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

53 Mister Mustard.

Oh, man that’s exactly right!

I was just thinking that for a blog run by “tech guys”, it sure sucks!

# 57 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

#54 – Bobbo

>>Mustard, that doesn’t help at all.

You have to cut and paste the URL; the blog software fucked up the link. It de-links the last part of the URL, and just brings you to a general wiki entry for St. James.

What it says at the real link is:

St. James’s Gate Brewery is a brewery in Dublin Ireland, the home of Guinness.

Leased for 9,000 years in 1759 by Arthur Guinness at £45 per year, St. James’s Gate has been the home of Guinness ever since. It became the largest brewery in Ireland in 1838, and was the largest in the world in 1914. Although no longer the largest brewery in the world, it is still the largest brewer of stout in the world. During the 19th and early 20th centuries, the brewery owned most of the buildings in the surrounding area, including many streets of housing for brewery employees, and offices associated with the brewery. The brewery also made all of its own power using its own power plant.

There is an attached exhibition on the 250-year-old history of Guinness, called the Guinness Storehouse.

In other words, they brew Guiness at the St. James’s Gate Brewery.

# 58 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

#56 – Ah-Yea

Lame, huh?

Maybe with the PayPal donations, they can fix the software or hire a programmer or something. Or maybe make Misanthropic Scottie an honorary “Friend of the Blog” for the secret of how HIS blog

http://misanthropicscott.wordpress.com/

works. I don’t see this kind of shit happening there, and he seems to use WordPress.

# 59 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

#50–Ah Yea—I read them quickly. Other than Jordan voting 100% that Jews were not admired (you know what 100% anything is, right?) I came away thinking that all aspects of “the history” is contested.

Further, if Israel did mystically disappear overnight, the arab tribes would be fighting with each other overnight if not against Iran, or with Iran too. Those tribes are at least a camel short of a full herd!

Can we all agree land is held as a function of power and moral/legal/historical/cultural/biblical claims have nothing to do with it besides providing some “call to arms” for those inspired by such things?

# 60 Ah_Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

Hey Bobbo, I wouldn’t drink
that mexican beer!

http://67.19.222.106/horrors/graphics/corona.jpg

# 61 Ah_Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

Yes, I agree. It’s about power.

# 62 Ah_Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

To elaborate, it’s about the power of mostly Ex-European Jews having the power to not be exterminated vs. the Husseini clan’s fight to retain power, at any cost.

This is the primary basis of the entire Middle-East conflict, which becomes obvious when one looks into it.

# 63 bobbo said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

#60–Ah Yea–Mozilla won’t let me connect. Backing up on the root, I can only get to the numeric address–can’t link to Disney from there either. I like gifs. Try to collect them too.

You forced me into an early beer == Tecate–a bit weak but tolerable as a change from the others. Cheaper, especially when it goes on sale.

I went to their brewery too. I’m afraid to say the Tecate Brewery for obvious reasons. Named will call me a racist if I say Poncho Villa’s Out House.

# 64 Ah_Yea said, on January 7th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

LOL! See you tommorow, after your hang-over!

Hasta la vista!

# 65 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

Just out of curiosity, is Samuel Wurzelbacher one of the Chosen People?

# 66 Mister Mustard said, on January 7th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

#63 – Bobbolina

>>Mozilla won’t let me connect.

Must be more WordPress magic. Chrome connects just fine.

# 67 Mr. Fusion said, on January 8th, 2009 at 6:09 am

#24, Mustard,

Hmmm. I’m not sure “We will allow you to exist” is just some stupid thing.

And so the Israelis continue to treat the Palestinians as second class citizens. See “Ah Yea” in post 32.

#32, Ah Yea,

As I have said before, only 2 types of people believe the Palestinians have any rights, the willingly naive or the antisemitic.

Good comment. That sums up exactly why there is the problem today. The Israelis get all the rights and the Palestinians are dirt.

#42, Ah Yea,

Did you have a comment? It is stooopid to just post a link and expect people to read tombs just to get YOUR point. When you have something to say then write it down and back it up with links.

I notice that you were so enamored with those links you had to repeat them in #50.

#58, Mustard,

Or maybe make Misanthropic Scottie an honorary “Friend of the Blog” …

I am always very cautious to criticize the “free”. This site comes with the unsaid caveat that if I don’t like it, I don’t have to stay or return.

Having said that though, I feel your pain and aggravation. I am hoping Dvorak will use any donations toward purchasing new software / equipment.

#62, Ah Yea,

(Not to be specifically picking on you, but, …)

To elaborate, it’s about the power of mostly Ex-European Jews having the power to not be exterminated vs. the Husseini clan’s fight to retain power, at any cost.

I am so tired of the Israelis bringing up what happened over 60 years ago as an excuse of their atrocities today. They are not the first and I shudder to say, they weren’t the last group to be slaughtered because of their race or ethnicity. BUT, having experienced the ordeal themselves, they should be more sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians instead of the begrudged second class status given them.

# 68 MikeN said, on January 8th, 2009 at 7:23 am

Well if they are their own state, why should they be treated as citizens at all?

# 69 Ah_Yea said, on January 8th, 2009 at 7:38 am

Fusion, Duh, duh, duh, dumb!

I’m sure the Israelis would be more sympathetic if the Palestinians weren’t out to KILL THEM!

Didn’t you read ANY of the links? If you had, you would be a little closer to understanding.

# 70 Named said, on January 8th, 2009 at 7:49 am

69,

That’s rich. You talking about reading links. You are a racist. That’s it. No need to try and rationalize it. Just make sure your press Bobbos white sheets as well…

# 71 Mister Mustard said, on January 8th, 2009 at 8:00 am

#67 – Fusion

>>This site comes with the unsaid caveat that
>>if I don’t like it, I don’t have to stay or
>>return.

Yeah, I know. And if I were considering a lawsuit, I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.

But come one. This isn’t some 4th grade kid putting up a blog for the neighborhood kids. This is the Prodigious Prognosticator of All Things Tech, showing His Stuff on an international stage.

I’d expect a little more than spotty connectivity and lame technical glitches like botched URLs and spurious Hi-liting of every instance of the word Dvorak.

# 72 Mr. Fusion said, on January 8th, 2009 at 8:15 am

#69, Ah Yea,

I’m sure the Israelis would be more sympathetic if the Palestinians weren’t out to KILL THEM!

And the Palestinians wouldn’t be so hostile if they weren’t:

1) an occupied people,

2) forced to pass countless Israeli “check points” to visit their relatives,

3) forced to travel 10s of miles out of their way to get to a hospital because the Israelis decided no Palestinians could use a specific road,

4) become so much collateral damage because the Israelis didn’t like someone that lives in the same building,

5) see the Israelis sitting in their houses on Palestinian land, shooting at Palestinians,

6) act generally like the same Nazis they use as an excuse to kill all the Palestinians.

No, I did not follow your links. A link is only to back up a point of view or argument. They are not to make the argument. If you have something to say, then say it. Then use a citation as a factual reference. I don’t want to read some bigot’s personal opinion just because you (in the general sense) can’t express yourself.

# 73 Mr. Fusion said, on January 8th, 2009 at 8:44 am

#71, Mustard,

… This is the Prodigious Prognosticator …

True and that is a good point. I, however, was brought up to appreciate gifts.

You have to admit though, highlighting his own name is a great way to publicize himself. Especially when someone can use it as a bar graph to illustrate the general intelligence levels of segments of society.

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