Economy Continues to Circle the Bowl

Many companies are cutting jobs in anticipation of Obama’s oppressive tax plan. On the bright side his promise to create jobs will introduce many to military service.

It’s not just a job, it’s an adventure.

@#3: I do not know many small business owners, but 3 out of 4 I know started this year by letting go their complete legal workforce in anticipation of Obama’s non-small-business friendly “regulations” (most feared one: indirect taxation by requiring health coverage). All of them are entering shady side of hiring undocumented aliens instead… Present reality in NY.

#2 – ‘tempt

Hey, buddy! How ya doin’? Good to see you’re putting on a brave face, and continuing to post after that mortification you suffered when you got caught telling tall tales about the Minnesota senate election. I cringed in shame for you! That must have been so embarrassing!!

>>Many companies are cutting jobs in
>>anticipation of Obama’s oppressive tax plan.

Got some data to back that up? I just know you do, otherwise you’d be making up falsehoods just to support your argument, and that would be immoral and unethical.

So. Bring it on! Accomplish that mission! Do a heckuva job!! Which companies are cutting jobs in anticipation of Obama’s oppressive tax plan?

#4 – D-Mal

Wow! You must know some ballsy business owners! Letting go every single American citizen or valid visa holder, and filling the ranks completely with illegal aliens?

Man. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. The government doesn’t have much of a sense of humor about that shit.

#7 – GTDI

I think D-Mal is just pulling our leg. Unless the “businesses” he refers to are Ma baking the cookies and Pa making the deliveries, I’m not buying it.

Imagine 3 or 4 businesses with a hundred or so employees each, that let all 400 go on January 1, and continued business as usual with a johnny-come-lately little army of illegal Mexicans and Asian refugees.

What do you think the probability is that at least ONE disgruntled ex-employee would drop the dime on the boss? I’d say it’s so close to 100% as to be effectively a done deal.

#5 contempt wrote “Businesses are reacting by retreating into survival mode. Had Obama promised across the board tax cuts we would not be experiencing so many job cuts.”

The “survival mode” you’re seeing businesses go into is a result of the receipts that came in during the last few months and the resulting trendline. When an employer struggles to make payroll, it’s not because of a tax plan or regulations that haven’t yet been introduced, and it’s certainly not because he’s afraid that his profits exceeding $250,000 will be taxed at 39% instead of 36%.

Obama’s proposed tax reductions weren’t across the board, as you say. Instead, they were targeted more toward the middle class. The biggest favor lawmakers can do for most businesses right now is to increase the ability of potential customers to buy products and services. Middle class tax cuts would do exactly that.

#13 – ‘tempt

>>At least have the courtesy to take Barney
>>Frank’s cock out of your mouth while
>>insulting someone

Wow. “At least have the courtesy to take Barney Frank’s cock out of your mouth while insulting someone“!!

I guess I didn’t know who I was messing with. I though you were just some shitheaded loser who made up “facts” to support his opinions, scampering like a cockroach back into the darkness when anyone questioned your “facts”.

MY BAD!!! Little did I know I was dealing with a deadly verbal ninja who could snap back with devastating repartee like “At least have the courtesy to take Barney Frank’s cock out of your mouth while insulting someone“!

You got a license for that keyboard? That thing is lethal!!

Does no one take into acct that in 1945 the population of the country was about 130 million, there are now over 300 million. Why do the news people love to keep comparing apples to oranges, yes this economy is bad but were not in the great depression were not in the worst economy since the great depression we are simply in a recession and a real one at that, like we had in the Carter years. Quit all the doom and gloom tighten our belts and get through it.

“Call you congressman/senator ASAP to tell them they need to cut back on the various VISA and green card programs….”

Cutback?! I think they should totally suspend the practice. Why even keep it going. Like these corps just can’t find enough qualified US citizens to employ? There will be a 1,000 jobless Americans showing up for each position they advertise (if they did advertise them). So there’s no excuse for the work VISA now! Except that Americans might still expect a few perks like health care coverage. The VISA’d workers probably get squat for they years here.

The same goes for the produce industry. They could easy get US citizens to pick the crops. But the employers wouldn’t get away with NOT paying them, like they often do with the illegals. And US workers generally expect better than sleeping in trees, at night, to near enough the job site to get chosen the next day. No records, no job security. What the produce industry gets away with is shameful. And that’s the only reason why they can’t get americans to work for them. Congress and the Administration should reign all this in, but they’re too into the pockets of Dole, and ADM, to do any reforming. I doubt that even Obama will.

As for the employment and economic numbers being the worst in decades. Well I certain Bush will Pardon himself from being considered the worst President since Truman. The reason the jobs fell after WW2, was that there was no more need for new war toys to be made. And soldiers came back to find that their old jobs were gone. It happened to my father. His job at the GM plant assembly line was gone. And they only offered him one carting engine blocks around. Basically it was a “If you don’t kill yourself doing this, you can work here. But you’re a fool if you do.” kind of job. So he quit and went to work for the Rail Road. But the lesson is that our economy should never be too dependent on war production. Because it requires inflationary deficit spending of tax dollars to maintain it. Which ultimately reduces the worth of all long term invested and saved moneys.

# 2 contempt said, in part:

“Many companies are cutting jobs in anticipation of Obama’s oppressive tax plan.”

Oh woe! Oh woe! The universe is spiraling down into the black hole of a 39% tax rate! Whatever shall we do?

Wimps.

That’s not a tax rate. Remember the Beatles’ song Taxman? “One for you, nineteen for me”? Yes, that’s right, that’s a 95% tax rate. Ninety-five percent. There was a story going around in the ’70s about how Ingmar Bergman, the Swedish filmmaker one year had an income tax rate of 105%. Yes, that’s right, his income tax was higher than his income for the year. Not THAT is a tax rate. Yet I don’t read about millions of wealthy Swedes abandoning their homeland for tax havens in the Caribbean. Swedish business and industry are doing just fine, thank you. (At least they were until the collapse of the American financial house of cards brought down the whole international financial ball of wax.) As I recall, right here in the Good Ol’ U S of A we used to have a 90% tax rate for the top earners. And that was just about the time that we built ourselves into the industrial and financial giant of the world.

So I’m not afraid of a little thing like a 39% or 45% or even 75% tax rate. But I _am_ afraid of not being able to find a job, any job, anywhere, or afford health insurance or a place to live. Those things scare the living daylights out of me, and I think they scare the living daylights out of most sane people. I think not having the U.S.A. turn into Haiti is worth the inconvenience of paying a few taxes.

That graphic looks like it came from Word 2k.

I wish I could lose my job. I had the same problem in the early 70s. Everybody I knew was looking for work. I was working two jobs. Of corse they were not “good” jobs. But I kept the family fed and a roof over our head.

DEX,
THE TRICK WITH consumerism/commercialism comes in the form of a CIRCLE..
Money on top MUST get to the bottom.
The problem comes with corps making companies that Circle money back, and the money NEVEr hits the bottom…
THEY think that collecting money and using it to SPONSOR other things FOR the POOR…Makes it ok.
Think about it..
They ADVERT and give to agencies, FOR THE POOR, and none of it GETS to the poor. It gets to the doctors, the lawyers, the JUDGES..
AS IF’ these people were GIVING IN THE POOR’s NAME..but they get the credit..MOSTLY from the gov..
TAKE that away…and the money MAY get to the poor.

#20 Uncle Patso
>>I’m not afraid of a little thing like a 39% or 45% or even 75% tax rate.

That avenue of thinking usually comes from someone who pays little or no taxes.

The problem is not that the government doesn’t receive enough tax payments, it’s that they have this uncontrollable tendency to waste what they get.

# 29 Dallas said, “As for Republican ideas – STFU. You fucking clowns have no ideas and don’t have a fucking clue. Get out of the fucking way.”

I too am upset that Obama has chosen to imitate the Repug ecom strat.

# 31 Dallas said, “Obama spending is about creating jobs in infrastructure that stays here.”

I know! I can’t wait to see what jobs he’ll create that the free market won’t support…

# 33 Dallas said, “American industries are lavishing at the prospect of a huge government spending package to build shit.”

Exactly. If the gov’t pays them, they build what the gov’t says to build. The reason it’s not being made now is that it is stuff people will not buy…

The Depression ended and unemployment finally dropped below 20% because of World War II…

If I were Iranian, I’d be stocking up.

#37 – Lyin’ Mike

>>I still remember in 1993 after Bill Clinton
>>was elected, liberals were saying the
>>recovery that happened before Clinton came
>>into office was in anticipation of his
>>economic plan

Gosh, Lyin’ Mike. I remember it a little bit differently….

I would like the gov. to ADD to the infrastructure. AS in UPDATED cell towers, a NEW BACKBONE, a TRUE NET design on the backbone. THEN sell it BACK to the corps at a premium.

START stores to compete with the corps, and SHOW that profit can be made from CHEAP labor and NOT MASSIVE wages for those on top.

41,
REALLY..
When the gov is collecting the ROAMING charges for using The GOV system??
Then have the FCC tell the Cell corps that cant transfer the fee to the consumer?

#38–37–Mustard and Mike==I’m pro Clinton all the way except for every thing Hilary did and Bills lying to t he American Public==but I remember the same thing regarding Bush. Each President inherits from the past meaning the past bleeds into the future. All a matter of degree.

It is fair to say that Obama could have been a GREAT president, but the road-wreck BushtheImbecile is leaving this country will sink Obama. I don’t care about Obama or Bush==I’m thinking of the kiddies.

#45–Mustard==you are too easy on Bill. Once you lie about nooky on the side instead of saying its none of our business, then what won’t he lie about? Credibility matters.

You are wrong about Obama which is why he needs our help. A retard can/has break things that even a genius cannot repair. Destruction only takes one person, repair requires most people pulling in the same direction.

Take loss of jobs, loss of manufacturing base, debt, currency strength, anti-social attitudes easily labeled “socialism”, foreign competition, religious wish fulfillment attitude of Americans==lots of curves driving down the natural advantages of America.

First Generation of America is now experiencing a lower standard of living than their parents. Same with the next generation. Probably the next as well. What else is trillion dollars of debt for no good except to line pockets of a few?

I weep for my kiddies.

#46 – Bobbo

>>Once you lie about nooky on the side instead
>>of saying its none of our business, then
>>what won’t he lie about?

Huh. Interesting concept. Anyone who has ever lied about anything is a stone-cold liar, and cannot be trusted to provide truthful information on any topic. (I thought that sort of disdain was restricted to dyed-in-the-wool prevaricators like Contempt, Paddy-RAMBO, and Dumbya.)

I hope you’ve thought this through, glass house/ stone throw-wise. There are an awful lot of people who have lied at some time in their lives. I’d say it approximates something close to 100.000%.

Or do you have your own, personal Bobbonian threshold for what sort of lie “matters”? That’s very convenient for you, but I’m not sure the rest of the world shares the same criteria you use.

>>You are wrong about Obama

No, I’m right about Obama. See how easy that was?

Fusion–you have such potential, but:

1. The court order also required Bill to tell the truth. He could still refuse to answer. Why he could even have told the truth in a manly way. I am a liberal which forces me to vote democratic quite often. Why do you use this same “pressure” to defend the incompetent and corrupt just because they are democrats? Such action is simply – - -Un-American, Stupid, and transparently so. You can do better.

2. Never lying isn’t the issue.

3. I think DLink made a defective router. Once again, you seem to want to blame the victim rather than look to the prime cause.

Fusion–what are you doing? When you spin and twist for no good reason, it throws all your spinny twisty posts into qustion.

Bill made a national televised speech wherein he told us all that “I did not have sex with that woman—–”. He wasn’t under court order to speak on that subject and rather than tell America to mind its own business and grow up, he lied.

Please get real.

Omg. The republicans are still obsessing over Bill’s cock.
Let it go! It’s been a decade for crying out loud.

#55 – Bobo

Well, so far, the only dishonesty you have accused Clinton of relates to his cock.

Heck, if stepping out on their wives were the worst things politicians ever did, we’d be living in Utopia, in nirvana, in paradise, in dramland, in Shangi-la, in seventh heaven.

Give it a rest, Bobster. Clinton was a good president, shitty husband. Try to argue beyond that, and you’re going to have to whip out your prestidigitational punctuation, and tase our brains into incomprehension with a flurry of === and /// and ==///.

#57 – LiLo

Not to worry, if I make a contentions statement that I consider to be ojbectively factual, I provide a link to support it. Otherwise, it’s just my opinion.

How the heck would I know if Bill Clinton was a shitty husband? It’s my opinion that he was. Maybe he learned some cigar tricks from his time with Monica that he brought home to Hill, and kept her on such an unending rollercoaster ride of ecstasy that she didn’t give a shit WHO he was diddling under the desk at work.

That George Bush is a shitty president is also my opinion, although it’s one of those things that, while not formally proven, has such prima facie validity that it’s generally accepted as fact.

#57, loser,

George Bush is an unpopular president. That is fact. It is opinion that he is a bad president.

When the empirical data demonstrates that Bush did not do a good job then it becomes a fact he is a bad President.

When his performance is compared to other Presidents then it does become an opinion of just how bad he was.

Hardly Bill Clinton’s only lie. Indeed the whole investigation was pursued so vigorously by Ken Starr because he had tape recordings and because it followed the pattern of Whitewater, Vernon Jordan getting a key witness a job so they would stop talking to the prosecutor.

So I’m confused. Was Bill Clinton lying or telling the truth when he bombed Iraq and said it was to take out Saddam’s WMDs?

#63, f*ckedup,

Me owning this blog is worth less and less every day

Ya right, just like your “protein cell”.

Honestly, it’s just time to name this place after me.

What? “Jimy Heel’s Toilet Bowl of Protein Cells?”