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# 1 Moe said, on January 9th, 2009 at 2:44 am

Sound like a most fair and reasonable group of people to me
Like the type of people who would vote for Obama

# 2 danijel said, on January 9th, 2009 at 2:51 am

One thing amazes me. What makes them think they can conquer the whole world and stand up against all these other forces? Sure, all this would be scary if we weren’t talking about a few pajama wearing dopes drunken with power…

# 3 Ah_Yea said, on January 9th, 2009 at 3:02 am

That video seems to be fairly accurate. After all, does Hamas really think they can conquer Europe and then the Americas? Why do they keep firing rockets when there is no chance it will make things better?

Religious zealots at their finest!

Palestinians are the new definition of sheeple.

# 4 Jason said, on January 9th, 2009 at 3:30 am

To #3…

You do realize that there are over 50 million practicing Muslims in Europe… That would be one impressive uprising… Not that I want that. I’m just saying.

Globally, over 1 Billion claim Islam as their faith so we are not talking about trivial numbers here.

# 5 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:08 am

MEMRI is founded on extreme Zionism. They use the same propaganda techniques that the Nazis used by taking things out of context. There work is biased and sickening. Israelis are committing war crimes in Gaza. Now why don’t you link those stories. Maybe it’s because you will find some very horrific video that’s too graphic and upsetting to post.  

# 6 Deep-Thought said, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:13 am

I doubt they are all religious extremists there. (1.4 million in the gaza strip)

But even if they are all terrorists. How could they be moderate?
They live in constant fear and repression from the apartheid regime of israel.
If they stand up, the world calls them terrorists.
And Israels aggression and repression is entirely tolerated by the western world.

I will not say there is no ‘misdoing’ on either side. But as long as we are not fair to both side, we will not see a end in this confilct.
The last year was a example of how peace could even work with the radical hamas in control. Peace was in our grasp? And what do we do? We let Israel ruin it all. (Starving the people to death. CIVILIANS! Air rides. And the usual repression on the boarders.)

Remember, hamas was elected because the citicens of Palestina where fed up because being nice did not work for them.
Yes, Hamas rockets kill people too. But what should they do? Quietly die?
It is the only thing that gives them some attention and leverage. Playing nice did not work.

# 7 Troublemaker said, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:13 am

What about these voices?

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article1154.htm

Interviewer: A plan to deport the Palestinians?

Creveld: I think it’s quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed.

Interviewer: Do you think that the world will allow that kind of ethnic cleansing?

Creveld: That depends on who does it and how quickly it happens. We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force.

Interviewer: Wouldn’t Israel then become a rogue state?

Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under.

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# 8 Ah_Yea said, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:34 am

#4, You missed the point. We’re not talking about Muslims in general here, but Hamas and those who support them.

There are plenty of Muslims who don’t agree with Hamas, even in the Middle East.

But what about those who voted in Hamas knowing their purpose and mission is exactly as stated in the video? Knowing they were an aggressive, violent group?

After all, who do you think are firing those rockets? Who do you think are supporting the militants by feeding the them, clothing them, and funding them?

Who do you think Hamas is, aliens from outer space? Their the Palestinians in Gaza, of course!

So why are we crying about the Gazans? After all, are they not the ones who started launching rockets into Israel hoping to cause terror and death?

Oh, and please don’t talk about “measured response” or other crap like that. Has anyone ever won a war using “measured response”? What a crock, and I can’t believe anyone with an ounce of intelligence would even utter such a thing.

When someone starts a war against you, as the Gazans did against Israel, the only course of action is to fight TO WIN!

You have to do whatever has to be done to stop the aggression and protect your people.

So the next time a tank shell lands near civilians, don’t blame the Israelis, put the blame right where it rightly belongs, with the Gazans -who installed and supported an agressive terrorist regime.

# 9 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:37 am

And, exactly how is anyone supposed to sign a treaty with such induhviduals and expect them to keep to the bargain? Remember, this group is their legitimately democratically elected government.

There will be peace in the middle east when one of two things happen.

1) BOTH SIDES drop religion as the incredibly stupid xenophobic genocidal delusion that it is.

2) Humans go extinct.

I’m not optimistic about choice 1.

#5 – jim,

Even if you assume that every one of those quotes is taken completely out of context, can you really imagine a context in which those statements would be reasonable?

# 10 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:41 am

#6 – Deep-Thought,

And Israels aggression and repression is entirely tolerated by the western world.

Don’t get out much, do you?

The U.N. consistently for many years has condemned Israels actions every single time anything happens in the region. And, it has never ever condemned the PLO, hamas, hezbollah, etc.

Only here in the U.S. does Israel find any support. The rest of the world is nearly as hostile to it as the Palestinians are.

Oh, and add Amnesty International to the list of anti-Israel groups for making essentially the same statements as the U.N.

Understand that I do not think Israel is right. I think both sides are wrong. I think only one side gets internationally chastised though, and it’s always always always Israel.

# 11 Tapes said, on January 9th, 2009 at 4:52 am

Did up some sayings from the “conservative/ultra orthodox” parties in Israel… try that and your career will be finished Dvorak.

# 12 Ah_Yea said, on January 9th, 2009 at 5:03 am

#7 Troublemaker. That’s a good link. The original article is from 2003, about a year before Arafat died and the roadmap to peace was started.

I in particular thought it interesting that he talked specifically about the wall which has since been built and has been highly successful in vastly reducing suicide bombers. I also thought it interesting that he emphasizes the fact that Israel cannot no one, not even Arafat, could stop the Palestinians from killing.

BTW, Notice how the Palestinians in the west bank seem to be doing ok? How having a moderate leader in the west bank is improving their overall situation immensely?

But why not Gaza?

Possibly this: “Hamas’s charter calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Republic in their historic homeland of Palestine, in place of Israel. Hamas sees this view as an Islamic religious duty and prophesy that comes directly from Hadith. In 1999, late Hamas co-founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin mentioned the year 2027 as the possible date for the “disappearance” of Israel. The group has not issued a clear statement about how it would deal with the current population of Israel, should it succeed in overthrowing Israeli and secular Palestinian government. Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, one of its co-founders, stated that the movement’s goal is “to remove Israel from the map”.

‘The slogan of Hamas is “God is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Qur’an its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of God is the loftiest of its wishes.”‘
http://tinyurl.com/7tkruv

Not the best of neighbors.

# 13 Jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 5:16 am

ª9I just saw on the news a Palestinian father holding two of his children under the ages of four with bullet holes to the head. Both of them had holes in the head and one also had a chest wound. He tells the camera man they were a victim of Israeli snipper. Yesterday the ICRC accused Israel of breaching international humanitarian law.
“The International Committee of the Red Cross has accused the Israeli military of “unacceptable” conduct and breaching international humanitarian law after discovering four emaciated children living next to the corpses of their mothers and other adults in bomb-shattered houses in Gaza City.
The ICRC said that it had spent four days seeking Israeli guarantees of safe passage so that it could gain access to the houses in the badly damaged Zaytun neighbourhood of the city. It was finally allowed to send in a rescue team and four Palestine Red Crescent Society ambulances yesterday afternoon and said today that what they found was shocking.
In one house they discovered four small children, alive but too weak to stand, next to the bodies of their dead mothers. In all their were 12 dead bodies lying on mattresses.
In another house they found 15 survivors of the Israeli bombardment, several of them wounded, and in a third, three corpses. At that point they were ordered to leave by Israeli soldiers manning a post some 80 metres away, but they refused to do so.”

These kind of crimes have been happening for 60 years against the Palestinians. Hamas voicing it’s hatred for Israel and the US is a product of Israeli’s brutal occupation.

# 14 pedro said, on January 9th, 2009 at 5:45 am

#4 Too late, if you ask me.

#5 Sure. and hamas are little innocent lambs.

#6 Shallow thought: If they’re so innocent, then why avoid international observers there? Cry me a river.

BTW, why not a single mention of how many Palestinians has hamas killed?

#12 You think exactly the same way Abbas thinks.

# 15 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:01 am

#13

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article21689.htm 5.25 mins into this video. Just take a look at how humane your beloved Israelis are.

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# 16 Grandpa said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:34 am

Hitler thought he could conquer the world too.

Funny thing is, if they just leave us alone, we will conquer ourselves. Free enterprise only works well for the rich.

# 17 skunky said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:36 am

MEMRI is a Mossad propaganda arm. Goebbels would be proud that the Israeli people are using his tactics against their occupied territories to garner international support for war crimes.

# 18 nolimit662 said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:37 am

Some of you people really shock me with your ignorance of world events. Hamas is using their own people as human shields. That’s why you are seeing dead innocent women and children. They are cowards. And it’s about time Israel stands up for themselves. How long would the US tolerate Mexico or Canada lobbing rockets at us??? I would guess not for one minute. So good for Israel. They should go in and occupy the region until ALL terrorist acts cease!! They are only trying to protect their country. The more I see this unfold the more I realize all of Islam is a religion of hate and killing. They won’t stop until Jews and Christians are wiped off the map. Then they will turn on some other group. What we need to do is nuke Iran as an example to all arabs that enough is enough and it is going to end or we will nuke them all one by one!! They are a cancerous scourge on this earth that needs to be annihilated!!

# 19 pedro said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:49 am

#14 You can make as many claims as you want, but after you read the reason hamas rejected the peace treaty, anything you have said is shwon to be a huge load of BS.

Not to mention, you’re saying is OK for hamas to kill Palestinians.

# 20 green said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:51 am

It couldn’t be about resources could it?

“War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza’s Offshore Gas Fields”
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11680

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# 21 tcc3 said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:54 am

No limit, your comment is as frightening as the antisemitic comments from the other end of the spectrum.

Everyone’s quick to point the finger at who they perceive as the “bad guy.” What is the solution? Not so easy to provide a workable solution.

# 22 QB said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:55 am

nolimit662 said: “How long would the US tolerate Mexico or Canada lobbing rockets at us???”

We Canadians would lob moose at you, our empties, and old Swedish hockey players whose knees are blown out.

# 23 Jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:56 am

#17
Where do you get your news from? Please enlighten us to your non-ignorance to world affairs.

# 24 nolimit662 said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:57 am

#19

You really are a kook!! If it was about the resources then Hamas should not have been lobbing rockets at Israel and therefore giving them an excuse to come on in. If it’s about the gas fields then I guess they deserve to lose them seeing they’re obviously using it to fund their rocket purchases aimed at Israel.

# 25 Troublemaker said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:58 am

nolimit662 said, on January 9th, 2009 at 6:37 am

Some of you people really shock me with your ignorance of world events. Hamas is using their own people as human shields. That’s why you are seeing dead innocent women and children… blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…

LOL… talk about “ignorance”. You take the cake dude…

# 26 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:06 am

#18
My “Claims”, are you saying The international committee for the red cross is lying? Christ it’s like arguing with a Holocaust denier. Please, give me a link to Hamas murdering innocent Palestinians in Gaza since the start of this war.

# 27 nolimit662 said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:09 am

maybe if some of you listened to something besides the lamestream media sometime. Try listening to michael savage or go to drudge and see what’s really going on. Savage told just a few days ago of Egypt trying to get injured Palestinians across the border for help and Hamas just wouldn’t let any of their own people get help. And as far as all the poor civilians. If Hamas wouldn’t use hospitals and schools and dense residential areas as shields this wouldn’t be happening. Hamas is shameless and will sacrafice anyone’s life to achieve their means. Enough with all you Anti-Semite zealots!!

# 28 green said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:24 am

#23 – try reading, you might learn something. Nub.

# 29 nolimit662 said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:26 am

#27 don’t have enough brain cells to actually give any information?

# 30 ethanol said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:27 am

Jim or should I say Zorkor?
You were identified as a member of Hamas a long time ago. Time to move on.

# 31 green said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:41 am

#28 – do your own leg work – aka reading. Can’t have momz reading everything to you your entire life. So read the article or don’t. Your loss, sheep.

# 32 pedro said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:44 am

#25 Naive believer, watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I

By your “facts”, Abbas is an idiot and an Israely sell-out.

# 33 Jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:45 am

#29
No, I’m a member of the Human race that lives outside the US and I will never “move on” when I see Israel and the US committing war crimes. They’re the real terrorist.

# 34 Paddy-O said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:45 am

# 25 jim said, “Please, give me a link to Hamas murdering innocent Palestinians in Gaza since the start of this war.”

You mean like launching rockets from areas populated by Palestinians women & children, elementary schools?

# 35 bombsuck said, on January 9th, 2009 at 7:55 am

Words never hurt anyone. Sending bombs and troops in a country with machine guns, that actually kills people.

The israelli government are obviously a bunch of idiots and they need to be displaced from power as soon as possible.

Probably same thing with any hamas or any other group encouraging the killing of innocents on the other side.

Just displace the bastards. Same with Bush, he should have been displaced 8 years ago. No democratic country should allow such shamefull idiots in power in any democratic nation.

# 36 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:00 am

#33
No, I mean a valid new link. Not Israeli propaganda video’s

# 37 Thinker said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:02 am

#34 Bombsuck,

I’ll believe the sincerity of your words when you place yourself in front of either a Hamas rocket, or mortar launcher.

Then I’ll take up your’s and Jim’s cause.

# 38 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:06 am

#31
Ya, Abbas and Arab leaders are Israeli sell outs.

# 39 Thinker said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:08 am

…Aaaand looking at CNN both sides, Israel and Hamas are telling the UN to take a flying leap.

I thought this was shaping up to be a real grudge match.

# 40 Paddy-O said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:10 am

# 35 jim said, “No, I mean a valid new link. Not Israeli propaganda video’s”

Here ya go: http://tinyurl.com/a3myln

Let me know what you think should be done to those Hamas guys who are doing this….

# 41 pedro said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:20 am

#35 Numbnut:

I see you took the time to see the video and appraise how much of a propaganda it was, liar.

Here are more.

http://tinyurl.com/8ez4bp
http://tinyurl.com/9tvlxm
http://tinyurl.com/8orarg

But I guess they’re all “propaganda”, since they make you look like the terrorist zealot you are. More links for you.

http://tinyurl.com/a5dlzd
http://tinyurl.com/95rtvr

And, of couse, the “worst” of ‘em all, showing how big a load of BS your hamas friends are made of http://tinyurl.com/75yovc

The least thing in the heads of hamas leaders is the well being of Palestinians.

Go sell your ignorant propaganda to someone with as much neurons as you (that is, single digit neuronal count).

# 42 Milo said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:24 am

How any of this could be “out of context” is beyond me!

# 43 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:24 am

#39
The source of this is an Israeli defense official.
“Israeli commanders have released few details of the battles in Gaza and kept foreign correspondents out of the strip,”
I’m not taking their lying word for it.

Dig harder.

# 44 pedro said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:25 am

#39 He’ll tell you nothing. He’s just a terrorist numbnut

# 45 daveg said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:26 am

You can get lots of racist and scary quote right out of the Israeli Knesset as well.

It is worth noting that Israel backed Hamas in the begining, essentially giving birth to the organization in an attempt to divide the palastinian people.

And while words are worth watching, it would seem the deeds and results on the ground paint a very different story. It is that worth watching more closely.

Finally, Hamas has little or no beef with the US and Israel seems to be handling itself just fine. We should step back and not be so attached to Israel as it makes them reckless and places us in the path of blowback.

# 46 Paddy-O said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:27 am

# 41 jim said, “The source of this is an Israeli defense official.”

Umm, no. The quote (as noted in the article) was. The data & the story, not.

Lose.

# 47 Milo said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:29 am

#43
“Hamas has little or no beef with the US”

Other than wanting to destroy it, as is said by Hamas in the video that you’re commenting on!

# 48 pedro said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:31 am

#43 hamas’ main beef is with the Palestinian Authority and want total civilian control in Palestine. They already took Gaza away from Palestinian control.

Read this, which was previously merrily deleted by the spam filter (If only it did that to the numbnut) http://tinyurl.com/75yovc

# 49 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:38 am

#44
“The tunnels were being used by mortar squads that are spearheaded the Hamas attacks on Israeli forces, defence officials told The Daily Telegraph.”

And were does it say Hamas is deliberately targeting Palestinians?

# 50 Sinn Fein said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:39 am

“…just a bunch of out of context clips?”

“I AM GOING TO KILL YOU!” If one were to hear this sort of insane declarative statement, its best to believe it and take action to neutralize the threat.

Israel, KILL OR BE KILLED!

# 51 Jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:47 am

#46
Hamas didn’t take anything. The Palestinians democratically voted them in. They are the legal government in Gaza.

# 52 Paddy-O said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:50 am

# 47 jim said, “And were does it say Hamas is deliberately targeting Palestinians?”

Article 51(7)

# 53 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:52 am

Ya, death, thats what you and Israel export, And you wonder why the world hates you.

# 54 Paddy-O said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:52 am

# 49 Jim said, ” They are the legal government in Gaza.”

Exactly. And if they want to start a war (which they’ve done) they are to blame. Unfortunately, the civilians who voted them in are reaping what they elected…

# 55 Alex Wollangk said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:54 am

One thing I’ve heard which provides an interesting context for what is currently going on is that Hamas spends 90% of its money on social services and 10% on terrorism. Hamas has built schools and hospitals throughout the areas they are in. One of the reasons they have stated that they want to conquer is because under Islam people of all faiths can thrive, which is actually a claim well supported historically primarily by considering the Ottoman Empire. (Yes, I know people of non-Muslim faiths do not traditionally do well in Iran, but Iran is an exception rather than the rule.)

Now, Hamas’ propaganda is pretty awful and their actions raining rockets on Israel are criminal.

Israel isn’t exactly squeeky clean in this situation either, though. When Israel was created there were two states in the area: Israel and Palestine. Israel has ever since been trying to take over the entire region by illegal colonization and military attack. Palestinians react with terror attacks. The whole situation is a mess.

Neither side is blameless and both currently have very highly placed leaders only interested in the destruction of the other who are guaranteed to hamstring any reasonable peace.

# 56 jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:57 am

Link Article 51(7) please.

# 57 Paddy-O said, on January 9th, 2009 at 9:00 am

# 54 jim said, “Link Article 51(7) please.”

I don’t link internationally known documents that any grade school kid knows about.

If you haven’t read it already, it just shows your COMPLETE lack of knowledge & education.

# 58 Jim said, on January 9th, 2009 at 9:10 am

#55
You have nothing so you resort to name calling. Fine, I’ll leave you to go back to FoX news then.

# 59 pedro said, on January 9th, 2009 at 9:21 am

#53 said: “…Hamas has built schools and hospitals throughout the areas they are in.”

As long as you support them and behave under their guidance rules. Once you get out of those rules, you’re not only out of those “favors”, but they will look you up for a nice talk. How those talks end depends on how fast you see the light of supporting them.

#56 You’re not even worth the electrons wasted on you. Get your propaganda elsewhere.

# 60 Ah_Yea said, on January 9th, 2009 at 9:37 am

There is hope. Possibly, just slightly possibly, the Gazans are starting to wake up to the fact that they are tools and might think about doing the right thing.

http://spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,600349,00.html

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# 61 Mr. Fusion said, on January 9th, 2009 at 9:55 am

#55, Cow-Paddy, Ignoant Shit Talking Sociopath and retired Mall Rent-A-Cop,

# 54 jim said, “Link Article 51(7) please.”

I don’t link internationally known documents that any grade school kid knows about.

If you haven’t read it already, it just shows your COMPLETE lack of knowledge & education.

Which means you are just making up more of your bullshit. Like where in the Constitution it forbids Congress from regulating CEO’s wages. You still haven’t posted either a link OR the relevant section.

You claim it, you back it up.

# 62 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 10:03 am

#12 – Jim,

And the Israeli history has nothing to do with the PLO bombing school buses and hospitals years ago?

Come now. You must be able to see that both sides in this are wrong. That you only present one side as wrong means that you are half-blind.

# 63 Paddy-O said, on January 9th, 2009 at 10:10 am

#59 – Mr Confusion: No one here is surprised that you are clueless regarding the Geneva Conventions…

# 64 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am

#12 – jim (again)

Are you aware that the violence began in 1929? Israel was not yet a state. The people massacred had lived there continuously for 800 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

So, yes, Israel is often wrong. But, will you not admit that both sides are wrong? Or, are you that blind?

# 65 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 10:14 am

#s 16 & 17,

Godwin’s Law, you lose.

# 66 Mister Mustard said, on January 9th, 2009 at 10:17 am

#56 – Paddy-RAMBO

>>I don’t link internationally known documents
>>that any grade school kid knows about.

Usually when you say that, it means that you simply made up whatever you’re claiming out of whole cloth, and it hasn’t got a single iota of truth to it. Especially when you’re called on it. Like the Clinton budget surplus thing.

I don’t know if that’s the case here or not. I’m just sayin’.

# 67 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 10:18 am

#18 – nolimit662,

The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion (deliberately singular, as always for me) is that way. If you read any of the texts of any of the subsects too closely, you too will start a Jihad or a Crusade or whatever you prefer to call it. So, you may want to either tone it down just a tad or expand that to include all religious individuals. I think you will likely be unwilling to do the latter.

# 68 Selvy said, on January 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am

Fatah didn’t do anything for the Palestinians once they took over, Hamas did something but, as was pointed out, you have to go by their rules or you get a talking to (or much, much worse). They have no interest in providing true government or government services to the Palestinian people, they only want a place to lob missiles from and raise more martyrs to psend to the front lines. You should’ve seen the kinds of shows on local TV for the kids, wasn’t much different from the indoctrination shows on Iranian TV.

There is no way Israel could’ve responded any better, because any ceasefires with Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. only occur because the terrorist groups in question are looking to resupply, regroup, and redeploy against Israel. It’s the same thing elsewhere in the world where Muslim terrorists are involved. They’re merely a temporary stay of execution for the infidels–the rest of us. That is the extremist mindset.

# 69 grog said, on January 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am

dear jim,

who straps bombs to women and has them go specifically to civilian centers to blow themselves up?

just curious who exports death like that.

# 70 Noel said, on January 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am

Yes, Hamas and Israel are both bad guys. My heart goes out to the poor peaceful Palestinians and Israelis caught in the middle.

# 71 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

#69 – Noel,

Mine too. Let’s hope that this, at least, is something we can all agree on and have some peace on this thread.

# 72 bombsuck said, on January 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

You can be sure that the Israelli fuc%ktard Government decision to go in a slaugther 1000 Palestinians mostly civilians has created at least 10000 new volunteers to suicide crash bomb themselves up killing as many Israelli and Westerners as possible.

Thank you the Israelli fuc¤ktard government for crapping on human lives this way, thank you for thinking that Obama will let you be such a bunch of fuc’ktards. I certainly hope Obama and Clinton have a plan to completely remove the Israelli Government from any international collaboration, force them out of power, force peace onto the region with new UN-monitored elections and real talks for peace not by a bunch of fuc%king fuc#ktards.

# 73 jerry said, on January 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

to the axis of Iran, hezbollah, hamas, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba and tacitally China: If your aim is to overthow Israel, that may be achieved, but at the cost of world destruction.

Is it worth it?

# 74 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

#71 bumfuck,

I’m glad to know that you hold the suicide bombers themselves completely blameless. Certainly, since you believe they have the right to blow up civilians, we should also support the training of native Americans to blow up civilians in protest the governments in Canada, United States, Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaraguan, Costa Rica, Panama, Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Brazil, Paraguay, Cuba, Haiti, Colombia, and a bunch of other equally repressive nations I’m sure I missed.

Clearly you are such a moran that you believe that there must be one side who is right and one side who is wrong in every conflict. Perhaps it has not occurred to your infinitesimally small brain that perhaps, just perhaps, humans in general suck and everyone concerned is wrong.

# 75 AlGoreLeonia said, on January 9th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Just sounds like a bunch of liberal democrats having coffee at Starbucks on any given day of the week

# 76 Greg Allen said, on January 9th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

During my decade of living in Muslim countries, I heard some crazy, offensive, hateful things being said.

But, it was NO WORSE than what you can hear in America on right wing talk radio or any chat-room populated by right-wingers.

# 77 Mr. Fusion said, on January 9th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

#74, Scott,

I’m glad to know that you hold the suicide bombers themselves completely blameless.

I notice you don’t mention the Israelis dropping 500 kg bombs on apartment buildings as unacceptable. Or the arrest of Palestinians on unfounded charges. Of how Palestinians are beaten by Israeli troops. Of how Israeli settlers on stolen Palestinian land indiscriminately shoot Palestinians without repercussions. Of how ambulances are detoured and held for hours at checkpoint as simple harassment. Of how every time Israeli gets upset they destroy the infrastructure on the West Bank and Gaza strip. Of how food and fuel are held up by the Israelis until the food starts to spoil and the lights start to flicker.

If you want to focus on one item and decide that only the Palestinians have done wrong, even if both sides are at fault, is disingenuous. As so aptly put by Jimmy Carter, the Palestinians live in an oppressive apartheid regime and Israel is the abuser.

# 78 deowll said, on January 10th, 2009 at 8:59 am

“danijel said, on January 9th, 2009 at 2:51 am One thing amazes me. What makes them think they can conquer the whole world and stand up against all these other forces? Sure, all this would be scary if we weren’t talking about a few pajama wearing dopes drunken with power…”

Well smarty they do think it. You might want to look at a map to see how far they’ve got so far. They have a major hunk of the planet and the people living there lined up on their side. The oil money is on their side. You fill’er up and donate money to their cause.

About the only way I know of to stop them is to kill them. If you can come up with a better answer (one that works) feel free to share.

# 79 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am

#77 – Mr. Fusion,

I’m surprised you didn’t read my posts more carefully. I’ve been very careful to state again and again that both sides are wrong.

I harp on what the Palestinians do precisely because most of the world is ignoring that. The U.N and Amnesty International are doing a fine job of getting out the word about how cruel the Israelis are.

What they repeatedly fail to mention is that the other side is also committing atrocities left and right.

So, yes, both sides are wrong. I just want to stop the one sided view that persists in most of the world.

# 80 pedro said, on January 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

#79 Don’t blame him, his just conFused.

# 81 bozo said, on January 11th, 2009 at 1:58 am

Article 51(7)..
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949..
http://unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/93.htm
The whole Article 51 is worth the read.

# 82 Mr. Fusion said, on January 11th, 2009 at 8:39 am

#79, Scott,

I see 100 words to condemn one side and then five words to equally assess the blame. That isn’t fair.

No, suicide bombing is not good. But then dropping bombs on apartment buildings is not good either. If you want to mention one then you should have mentioned the other.

But then how do you add all the other atrocities committed by the oppressing side into the mix? 20 years ago the West sympathized with South African Blacks against the oppressive Whites. Sure, there were some terrorists acts by the Blacks. And although we condemned them, we understood what drove them to commit such acts. We did not accept the severe and one sided retaliation as justified.

Yes, peace is nice and only the right wing nuts and evangelical assholes want the genocide. blah, blah, blah. Peace, however, will never be attained as long as the oppressor is not held on equal terms and expectations as the oppressed.

# 83 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 11th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

#82 – Mr. Fusion,

I fail to see the comparison with South Africa. I know the rest of the world likes the analogy. However, unlike black South Africans, the Palestinians are supported and heavily armed by oil rich nations. They also have at least some representation in the Knesset.

# 84 Misanthropic Scott said, on January 11th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

#82 – Mr. Fusion,

I fail to see the comparison with South Africa. I know the rest of the world likes the analogy. However, unlike black South Africans, the Palestinians are supported and heavily armed by oil rich nations. They also have at least some representation in the Knesset.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List