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	<title>Comments on: Wonder How Much Your Credit Card Is Costing You In Higher Prices?</title>
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		<title>By: GetSmart</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/09/wonder-how-much-your-credit-card-is-costing-you-in-higher-prices/comment-page-2/#comment-1468956</link>
		<dc:creator>GetSmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great thing about cash is the ability to use it as a budgeting tool. When you go out shopping with cash you have a finite supply of spending power in pocket. This cuts way back on impulse spending on items you don&#039;t really need. Easier to say &quot;no&quot; to that DVD in the bargain bin or that new greatest hits CD that you already have most of the songs on previous releases. Take &lt;i&gt;THAT&lt;/i&gt; RIAA and MPAA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing about cash is the ability to use it as a budgeting tool. When you go out shopping with cash you have a finite supply of spending power in pocket. This cuts way back on impulse spending on items you don&#8217;t really need. Easier to say &#8220;no&#8221; to that DVD in the bargain bin or that new greatest hits CD that you already have most of the songs on previous releases. Take <i>THAT</i> RIAA and MPAA!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want a discount for using cash.  Thats all I use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want a discount for using cash.  Thats all I use.</p>
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		<title>By: hfriedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>hfriedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I use my credit card to get 1% - 5% cashback and pay my balance every month, how exactly is this costing ME more?  Everywhere I shop the total is the same regardless how I choose to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I use my credit card to get 1% &#8211; 5% cashback and pay my balance every month, how exactly is this costing ME more?  Everywhere I shop the total is the same regardless how I choose to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would use cash if I got a discount at my local store.  I have done it before with a furniture purchase.  So if they want cash, I would give it to them (the store) if they made it worth my while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would use cash if I got a discount at my local store.  I have done it before with a furniture purchase.  So if they want cash, I would give it to them (the store) if they made it worth my while.</p>
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		<title>By: Kennyw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kennyw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &quot;wander&quot; if this post was spellchecked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I &#8220;wander&#8221; if this post was spellchecked?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Diesel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Diesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In what twisted world would anyone think that the FBI catches people laundering money by having banks track the serial number of bills?

Oh that&#039;s a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what twisted world would anyone think that the FBI catches people laundering money by having banks track the serial number of bills?</p>
<p>Oh that&#8217;s a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: HMeyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>HMeyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@9 Uncle Dave

&quot;You have obviously never owed a business that takes cash, credit and debit cards.  You pay fees for depositing cash into the bank. You also pay fees for each credit card and debit card transaction plus a percentage of the sale price.&quot;

While this is true for a small business, consider that cash management does NOT scale well for medium sized or large businesses.

For example, I would imagine that administration of this blog is 90% deal with &quot;people problems&quot;.

In a medium size, chain store or large corporation .. the costs of managing physical cash are enormous in both personnel, complexity of procedures and management.

This is why large employers in recent years have taken steps to make everything electronic that they possibly can, from the banking industry doing instant check cashing to paying employees without checking accounts via cash debit cards.  This goes for things like government benefit payments as well.

The cost isn&#039;t some fee a bank charges you, it is the management of the people that screw up and the value of streamlined business practices where less problems occur that cost a lot of time and money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@9 Uncle Dave</p>
<p>&#8220;You have obviously never owed a business that takes cash, credit and debit cards.  You pay fees for depositing cash into the bank. You also pay fees for each credit card and debit card transaction plus a percentage of the sale price.&#8221;</p>
<p>While this is true for a small business, consider that cash management does NOT scale well for medium sized or large businesses.</p>
<p>For example, I would imagine that administration of this blog is 90% deal with &#8220;people problems&#8221;.</p>
<p>In a medium size, chain store or large corporation .. the costs of managing physical cash are enormous in both personnel, complexity of procedures and management.</p>
<p>This is why large employers in recent years have taken steps to make everything electronic that they possibly can, from the banking industry doing instant check cashing to paying employees without checking accounts via cash debit cards.  This goes for things like government benefit payments as well.</p>
<p>The cost isn&#8217;t some fee a bank charges you, it is the management of the people that screw up and the value of streamlined business practices where less problems occur that cost a lot of time and money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the emphasis is misplaced. Handling the payment does cost the merchant and bank. Someone has to pay for that transaction. The questions should be

1) Who pays

2) How much

As pointed out, handling cash does cost a lot more than handling debit or credit card purchases. That though is a cost of doing business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the emphasis is misplaced. Handling the payment does cost the merchant and bank. Someone has to pay for that transaction. The questions should be</p>
<p>1) Who pays</p>
<p>2) How much</p>
<p>As pointed out, handling cash does cost a lot more than handling debit or credit card purchases. That though is a cost of doing business.</p>
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		<title>By: qsabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>qsabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t carry cash beyond what is needed for tipping and such minor needs.  Have used credit cards for over thirty years now.  They make me more apt to purchase a big ticket item than I would be were I to start looking for a checkbook.
 
Credit is great, if you pay the bill at the end of the billing period. The price of all items in this area reflect the additional cost of handling credit, even if you buy with cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t carry cash beyond what is needed for tipping and such minor needs.  Have used credit cards for over thirty years now.  They make me more apt to purchase a big ticket item than I would be were I to start looking for a checkbook.</p>
<p>Credit is great, if you pay the bill at the end of the billing period. The price of all items in this area reflect the additional cost of handling credit, even if you buy with cash.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I tend not to shop at stores that don&#039;t accept credit card purchases or try to charge a fee to use them.  For small businesses, that is simply a cost of doing business.  If you don&#039;t want the added cost, don&#039;t accept credit cards.  Costco accepts AMEX only so I have one and use it anywhere it is accepted.  I pay the balance monthly so there&#039;s no interest and I earn a sweet 1-3% cash back.  One of the best features of the card is buyer protection that increases the warranty by at least a year.  My Costco also recently stopped accepting their own cash card at their deli counter.  I used to buy the cash card to keep with me in case I wanted something to eat or drink.  They said it was costing too much in fees to accept the card at the deli where purchases are smaller in value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I tend not to shop at stores that don&#8217;t accept credit card purchases or try to charge a fee to use them.  For small businesses, that is simply a cost of doing business.  If you don&#8217;t want the added cost, don&#8217;t accept credit cards.  Costco accepts AMEX only so I have one and use it anywhere it is accepted.  I pay the balance monthly so there&#8217;s no interest and I earn a sweet 1-3% cash back.  One of the best features of the card is buyer protection that increases the warranty by at least a year.  My Costco also recently stopped accepting their own cash card at their deli counter.  I used to buy the cash card to keep with me in case I wanted something to eat or drink.  They said it was costing too much in fees to accept the card at the deli where purchases are smaller in value.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mustard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mustard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 - Dave W

&gt;&gt;Note that in many places (California, for 
&gt;&gt;example) it is illegal to charge a fee or 
&gt;&gt;higher price to the customer for using a 
&gt;&gt;credit card, but it IS legal to offer a cash 
&gt;&gt;discount. 

Well.  Now THERE&#039;S a meaningful distinction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 &#8211; Dave W</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Note that in many places (California, for<br />
&gt;&gt;example) it is illegal to charge a fee or<br />
&gt;&gt;higher price to the customer for using a<br />
&gt;&gt;credit card, but it IS legal to offer a cash<br />
&gt;&gt;discount. </p>
<p>Well.  Now THERE&#8217;S a meaningful distinction!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8. I did 12 years in bank operations (before escaping banking for good). Banks have better things to do than track the serial number of every bill that comes through. Except for very large transactions, it&#039;s just $ in and $ out, just like any other cash drawer in any other merchant. It may have changed, but even the form you had to file for anything over $10,000 cash didn&#039;t call for the serial numbers of the bills. 

#10 Are cash customers subsidizing the credit customers?

Not really. Consider how much less business a merchant that didn&#039;t take credit cards would get in the marketplace. The increase in sales volume helps keep prices down for everyone. Note that in many places (California, for example) it is illegal to charge a fee or higher price to the customer for using a credit card, but it IS legal to offer a cash discount. Still, very, very few merchants bother. 

And, banks do charge customers who move a large volume of cash in or out on a regular basis. Then there&#039;s armored car service, if needed...that gets very pricey for merchants, but it beets getting robbed or killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8. I did 12 years in bank operations (before escaping banking for good). Banks have better things to do than track the serial number of every bill that comes through. Except for very large transactions, it&#8217;s just $ in and $ out, just like any other cash drawer in any other merchant. It may have changed, but even the form you had to file for anything over $10,000 cash didn&#8217;t call for the serial numbers of the bills. </p>
<p>#10 Are cash customers subsidizing the credit customers?</p>
<p>Not really. Consider how much less business a merchant that didn&#8217;t take credit cards would get in the marketplace. The increase in sales volume helps keep prices down for everyone. Note that in many places (California, for example) it is illegal to charge a fee or higher price to the customer for using a credit card, but it IS legal to offer a cash discount. Still, very, very few merchants bother. </p>
<p>And, banks do charge customers who move a large volume of cash in or out on a regular basis. Then there&#8217;s armored car service, if needed&#8230;that gets very pricey for merchants, but it beets getting robbed or killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tkwj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tkwj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what if the business is adding hidden cost to all of their products to cover transaction fees? Doesn&#039;t that put cash customers at a disadvantage because they are giving more to the business? (at least on the bottom line) Are cash customers subsidizing the credit customers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what if the business is adding hidden cost to all of their products to cover transaction fees? Doesn&#8217;t that put cash customers at a disadvantage because they are giving more to the business? (at least on the bottom line) Are cash customers subsidizing the credit customers?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1-3: You have obviously never owed a business that takes cash, credit and debit cards.  I have.  You pay fees for depositing cash into the bank.  You also pay fees for each credit card and debit card transaction plus a percentage of the sale price.  In some cases, the debit card fee is just a flat fee.  Depends on the processor.

FYI, American Express charges a fee much higher than Visa or MC.  That&#039;s why many places don&#039;t accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1-3: You have obviously never owed a business that takes cash, credit and debit cards.  I have.  You pay fees for depositing cash into the bank.  You also pay fees for each credit card and debit card transaction plus a percentage of the sale price.  In some cases, the debit card fee is just a flat fee.  Depends on the processor.</p>
<p>FYI, American Express charges a fee much higher than Visa or MC.  That&#8217;s why many places don&#8217;t accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: sean harper</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - thanks for the link to our little mashup.   

@moss - when you use the debit card with a pin (like to get cash back) the fees are usually lower and are usually just a fixed transaction cost, instead of a percentage fee and a fixed fee that is charged when the pin is not typed in.  Walmart and Visa had a huge fight a few years ago over Walmart&#039;s right to steer customers to type in the PIN - http://tech.mit.edu/V123/N22/debit_22.22w.html

@hmeyers - thats a little harsh, the website isnt &quot;lying&quot;, its just mashing up and presenting data that already exists. Obviously there are also costs to handling cash (and checks).  The website doesn&#039;t have any incentive to lie since it&#039;s not like it has a position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; thanks for the link to our little mashup.   </p>
<p>@moss &#8211; when you use the debit card with a pin (like to get cash back) the fees are usually lower and are usually just a fixed transaction cost, instead of a percentage fee and a fixed fee that is charged when the pin is not typed in.  Walmart and Visa had a huge fight a few years ago over Walmart&#8217;s right to steer customers to type in the PIN &#8211; <a href="http://tech.mit.edu/V123/N22/debit_22.22w.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tech.mit.edu/V123/N22/debit_22.22w.html' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tech.mit.edu/V123/N22/debit_22.22w.html</a></p>
<p>@hmeyers &#8211; thats a little harsh, the website isnt &#8220;lying&#8221;, its just mashing up and presenting data that already exists. Obviously there are also costs to handling cash (and checks).  The website doesn&#8217;t have any incentive to lie since it&#8217;s not like it has a position.</p>
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