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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, this happens every time a Democratic president takes power.  Gun stores need this kind of economic stimulus.</description>
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		<title>By: Mr Diesel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Diesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53 gf

I have been assaulted twice by someone with firearms and shot at once and threatened with a shotgun (which I did not see).  So, three times.

That&#039;s part of the reason I carry now.

As far as anyone thinking the government (LE) is going to protect you it is idiot to believe that way.  It isn&#039;t the job of the government to protect you, just clean up afterwards and sometimes they aren&#039;t worth a shit at doing that either.

It is your right as a human to keep yourself and your family safe.</description>
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<p>I have been assaulted twice by someone with firearms and shot at once and threatened with a shotgun (which I did not see).  So, three times.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s part of the reason I carry now.</p>
<p>As far as anyone thinking the government (LE) is going to protect you it is idiot to believe that way.  It isn&#8217;t the job of the government to protect you, just clean up afterwards and sometimes they aren&#8217;t worth a shit at doing that either.</p>
<p>It is your right as a human to keep yourself and your family safe.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#66--fpp (but really Paddy)==yes, he has more misses than hits.  But still, now and then a hit.  His input could &quot;actually&quot; be valuable if it had the credibility of a few less misses.  

To that end, doing a little more work up front before CONFRONTING someone really is beneficial to all including the original poster.  I have thought of posting a critique from time to time and after confirming with the google had to change my thought and sometimes even completely abandon it.

Rather self centered and willfully childish to think others should do your work for you and still expect any respect===especially when more often than not what you post for others to look up is assbackwards.

I want Paddy and others who have CONTEMPT for the truth to continue with their challenging ideas==just get better at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#66&#8211;fpp (but really Paddy)==yes, he has more misses than hits.  But still, now and then a hit.  His input could &#8220;actually&#8221; be valuable if it had the credibility of a few less misses.  </p>
<p>To that end, doing a little more work up front before CONFRONTING someone really is beneficial to all including the original poster.  I have thought of posting a critique from time to time and after confirming with the google had to change my thought and sometimes even completely abandon it.</p>
<p>Rather self centered and willfully childish to think others should do your work for you and still expect any respect===especially when more often than not what you post for others to look up is assbackwards.</p>
<p>I want Paddy and others who have CONTEMPT for the truth to continue with their challenging ideas==just get better at it.</p>
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		<title>By: fpp2002</title>
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		<dc:creator>fpp2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bobbo, it&#039;s apparent to me that all Paddy-O wants to do is to create enemies with his poorly thought out rants and insults, rather than debate intelligently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bobbo, it&#8217;s apparent to me that all Paddy-O wants to do is to create enemies with his poorly thought out rants and insults, rather than debate intelligently.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#63--Paddy-Zero==hah, hah.  Proving my point again:  the only reason YOU would clog the blog with a verbose posting would be that you couldn&#039;t find the relevant single sentence nor adequately synthesize and restate a paragraph.

Silly man, you wear no clothes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#63&#8211;Paddy-Zero==hah, hah.  Proving my point again:  the only reason YOU would clog the blog with a verbose posting would be that you couldn&#8217;t find the relevant single sentence nor adequately synthesize and restate a paragraph.</p>
<p>Silly man, you wear no clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/19/outdoor-wire-names-obama-gun-salesman-of-the-year/comment-page-4/#comment-1474693</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 62 bobbo said,  &quot;No–reading the cases and providing a quote is the standard to be met.&quot;

You obviously, and predictably, haven&#039;t read many decisions.  I&#039;m not going to clog the blog with verbose writings.  If you are interested in being educated, read them yourself.  Or, stay willfully ignorant...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 62 bobbo said,  &#8220;No–reading the cases and providing a quote is the standard to be met.&#8221;</p>
<p>You obviously, and predictably, haven&#8217;t read many decisions.  I&#8217;m not going to clog the blog with verbose writings.  If you are interested in being educated, read them yourself.  Or, stay willfully ignorant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61--Paddy==I doubt you could even state what the issue at play here is.  No--reading the cases and providing a quote is the standard to be met.

Go on your own snipe hunt.  I&#039;ll give you 10 to One odds if you spent the time, you&#039;d come up with a statement that defeated your own position.

Hence, no wild goose chase for me or anyone else that knows your routine.

Do the work required, or be seen for what you are.  C&#039;mon==do better.  The rest of  your life could still amount to something, even if just for  yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#61&#8211;Paddy==I doubt you could even state what the issue at play here is.  No&#8211;reading the cases and providing a quote is the standard to be met.</p>
<p>Go on your own snipe hunt.  I&#8217;ll give you 10 to One odds if you spent the time, you&#8217;d come up with a statement that defeated your own position.</p>
<p>Hence, no wild goose chase for me or anyone else that knows your routine.</p>
<p>Do the work required, or be seen for what you are.  C&#8217;mon==do better.  The rest of  your life could still amount to something, even if just for  yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/19/outdoor-wire-names-obama-gun-salesman-of-the-year/comment-page-4/#comment-1474688</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 60 bobbo said, &quot;you demonstrate why I suspect your analytical skills which are only CONSTANTLY backed up by your failure to post links.&quot;

For someone with an IQ above that of a turnip, the names of the decisions is enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 60 bobbo said, &#8220;you demonstrate why I suspect your analytical skills which are only CONSTANTLY backed up by your failure to post links.&#8221;</p>
<p>For someone with an IQ above that of a turnip, the names of the decisions is enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#59--Paddy==you demonstrate why I suspect your  analytical skills which are only CONSTANTLY backed up by your failure to post links.

OF COURSE the DC Gun Control case, which is not coming up but has been decided, is about restrictions on personal ownership and the SCOTUS overruled the DC gun restrictions.

That alone suggests my point and counters yours.  If the issue of personal gun ownership had been ruled on before, there would be no reason to do it again.  Further, whatever the DC gun case was about, absent  a linked, quoted connection that says NOTHING about what the prior cases you mention say.

I trust my memory and posted link better than your own knee jerk quibble and initially demonstrated lack of insight, logic, and understanding of SCOTUS precedents.

You can redeem yourself with links and quotes.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#59&#8211;Paddy==you demonstrate why I suspect your  analytical skills which are only CONSTANTLY backed up by your failure to post links.</p>
<p>OF COURSE the DC Gun Control case, which is not coming up but has been decided, is about restrictions on personal ownership and the SCOTUS overruled the DC gun restrictions.</p>
<p>That alone suggests my point and counters yours.  If the issue of personal gun ownership had been ruled on before, there would be no reason to do it again.  Further, whatever the DC gun case was about, absent  a linked, quoted connection that says NOTHING about what the prior cases you mention say.</p>
<p>I trust my memory and posted link better than your own knee jerk quibble and initially demonstrated lack of insight, logic, and understanding of SCOTUS precedents.</p>
<p>You can redeem yourself with links and quotes.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 58 bobbo said, &quot;I assume the other decisions were about guns but did not announce the Second Amendment was a guarantee of personal ownership?&quot;

You assume wrong.  The reason it is coming up now, in the SC, so strongly, is that the gov&#039;t is infringing more heavily on the 2nd amend than in the past...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 58 bobbo said, &#8220;I assume the other decisions were about guns but did not announce the Second Amendment was a guarantee of personal ownership?&#8221;</p>
<p>You assume wrong.  The reason it is coming up now, in the SC, so strongly, is that the gov&#8217;t is infringing more heavily on the 2nd amend than in the past&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/19/outdoor-wire-names-obama-gun-salesman-of-the-year/comment-page-3/#comment-1474677</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paddy--I&#039;m just quoting from the article I read.  I assume the other decisions were about guns but did not announce the Second Amendment was a guarantee of personal ownership?

Your schlorship while often providing your own unique view, is not such to make me doubt my own initial quick read==unless you care to confirm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paddy&#8211;I&#8217;m just quoting from the article I read.  I assume the other decisions were about guns but did not announce the Second Amendment was a guarantee of personal ownership?</p>
<p>Your schlorship while often providing your own unique view, is not such to make me doubt my own initial quick read==unless you care to confirm.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 56 bobbo said,  &quot;FOR THE FIRST TIME that gun ownership IS a personal right,&quot;

Apparently, you don&#039;t read SC decisions...

Presser v. Illinois (1886)
U.S. v. Miller (1939)

I could site others.  But why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 56 bobbo said,  &#8220;FOR THE FIRST TIME that gun ownership IS a personal right,&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently, you don&#8217;t read SC decisions&#8230;</p>
<p>Presser v. Illinois (1886)<br />
U.S. v. Miller (1939)</p>
<p>I could site others.  But why?</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#55--Hugh==thanks.  Its good to hear some sanity.  In the USA gun crazy culture has taken over.  You can read it here that &quot;studies show that MORE GUNS = less  murder.&quot;  For what and how the issue of crime and guns can be measured it can even be true at this point of time and societal rot.  Thats how low this country has sunk.  With the recent SCOTUS determning FOR THE FIRST TIME that gun ownership IS a personal right, I expect it will take a few generations to change this (Obama&#039;s Grandson?).

The USA was born in special circumstances and has been burdened specially.  It took 250 years to throw off slavery.

Hopefully it won&#039;t take that much longer to throw off the stupidity of guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55&#8211;Hugh==thanks.  Its good to hear some sanity.  In the USA gun crazy culture has taken over.  You can read it here that &#8220;studies show that MORE GUNS = less  murder.&#8221;  For what and how the issue of crime and guns can be measured it can even be true at this point of time and societal rot.  Thats how low this country has sunk.  With the recent SCOTUS determning FOR THE FIRST TIME that gun ownership IS a personal right, I expect it will take a few generations to change this (Obama&#8217;s Grandson?).</p>
<p>The USA was born in special circumstances and has been burdened specially.  It took 250 years to throw off slavery.</p>
<p>Hopefully it won&#8217;t take that much longer to throw off the stupidity of guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Australia Ive never felt the need for a gun for self defense, nor have my family, my friends or just about any of my acquaintances. 

Ive never been a victim of gun related crime, nor have any of my family, my friends or ANY of my acquaintances. 

I do know a few people who have guns for sport and hunting. As you are probably aware, we have strict gun control here in Oz and your more likely to be shot by the police than anyone else, but even that is highly unlikely.

Why do Americans cling to their guns and if its 1801? Given the ridiculous amount of gun related deaths and crimes in America, I would have thought Americans would be interested in living in a society free from the threat of being shot by gun wielding lunatics.

One way to achieve this is remove the majority of the guns and strictly regulate their sale and use. Many countries take this line and their people seem quite content with it.

But this does not really answer the question of why the hell Americans like shooting each other so much. Many countries have similar per capita gun ownership as the US but nowhere near the amount of gun death and crime. every male of age in Switzerland has an assault rifle under their bed but the don&#039;t feel the need to use it on other human beings.

Now I don&#039;t really relate to the populist crap that Michael Moore comes out with, and I couldn&#039;t read &#039;Stupid White Men&#039; is was so trite, but I think he is spot on with one thing. Fear. The American public are in a permanent state of fear, largely contributed to by the arm industries with help from the media and government propaganda. Scared people consume more, especially guns and security related products.

This is readily apparent in the Obama related gun frenzy. Fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the black socialist Muslim in the white house. Fear that the Feds are gonna take away their automatic weapons with extra ammo capacity, their rocket launchers and machine guns. What the hell do people need with this crap. Self defense? Your gonna fight off the Feds if they come knocking? Your gonna be ready when 100,000 Obamabots come marching over the hill? Its insane.

Americans are being stooged by the arms industries into buying all this ordinance. I get the whole &#039;right to bear arms&#039; thing, I really do, but its no longer the 19th Century. The only thing these weapons are gonna do is keep you in your place (afraid) and probably get you shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Australia Ive never felt the need for a gun for self defense, nor have my family, my friends or just about any of my acquaintances. </p>
<p>Ive never been a victim of gun related crime, nor have any of my family, my friends or ANY of my acquaintances. </p>
<p>I do know a few people who have guns for sport and hunting. As you are probably aware, we have strict gun control here in Oz and your more likely to be shot by the police than anyone else, but even that is highly unlikely.</p>
<p>Why do Americans cling to their guns and if its 1801? Given the ridiculous amount of gun related deaths and crimes in America, I would have thought Americans would be interested in living in a society free from the threat of being shot by gun wielding lunatics.</p>
<p>One way to achieve this is remove the majority of the guns and strictly regulate their sale and use. Many countries take this line and their people seem quite content with it.</p>
<p>But this does not really answer the question of why the hell Americans like shooting each other so much. Many countries have similar per capita gun ownership as the US but nowhere near the amount of gun death and crime. every male of age in Switzerland has an assault rifle under their bed but the don&#8217;t feel the need to use it on other human beings.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t really relate to the populist crap that Michael Moore comes out with, and I couldn&#8217;t read &#8216;Stupid White Men&#8217; is was so trite, but I think he is spot on with one thing. Fear. The American public are in a permanent state of fear, largely contributed to by the arm industries with help from the media and government propaganda. Scared people consume more, especially guns and security related products.</p>
<p>This is readily apparent in the Obama related gun frenzy. Fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the black socialist Muslim in the white house. Fear that the Feds are gonna take away their automatic weapons with extra ammo capacity, their rocket launchers and machine guns. What the hell do people need with this crap. Self defense? Your gonna fight off the Feds if they come knocking? Your gonna be ready when 100,000 Obamabots come marching over the hill? Its insane.</p>
<p>Americans are being stooged by the arms industries into buying all this ordinance. I get the whole &#8216;right to bear arms&#8217; thing, I really do, but its no longer the 19th Century. The only thing these weapons are gonna do is keep you in your place (afraid) and probably get you shot.</p>
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		<title>By: RSweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>RSweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight, you anti-gun rights people are terrified of the idea your neighbor may have a gun, yet you are accusing the pro-gun rights people of being paranoid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight, you anti-gun rights people are terrified of the idea your neighbor may have a gun, yet you are accusing the pro-gun rights people of being paranoid?</p>
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