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	<title>Comments on: A Personal Tale Of Laptop Woes &#8211; Hewlett Packard And Nvidia Screwing Users?</title>
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		<title>By: Gasparrini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gasparrini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30, I would if I were you, but this is a decision you have to make by yourself. 
You might consider taking an extended warranty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30, I would if I were you, but this is a decision you have to make by yourself.<br />
You might consider taking an extended warranty.</p>
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		<title>By: SupRnurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>SupRnurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just bought an hp dv5t with GeForce 9200 GS.  It&#039;s still within return policy.  Should I return it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just bought an hp dv5t with GeForce 9200 GS.  It&#8217;s still within return policy.  Should I return it?</p>
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		<title>By: hazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Australia we have a two warranties, the manufacturer&#039;s (12 months etc) and the implied warranty.

A laptop would be expected to last at least 3 years. If an obvious defect happens in that time they are required to fix it free.

I got a new engine on my 5 year old Kia Carnival that would have cost me more than the car was worth.

This is another example of the faulty logic of worshipping the dollar over everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Australia we have a two warranties, the manufacturer&#8217;s (12 months etc) and the implied warranty.</p>
<p>A laptop would be expected to last at least 3 years. If an obvious defect happens in that time they are required to fix it free.</p>
<p>I got a new engine on my 5 year old Kia Carnival that would have cost me more than the car was worth.</p>
<p>This is another example of the faulty logic of worshipping the dollar over everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: jbellies</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbellies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of IBM 600, 600E, and 600X Thinkpads are still in use (and with great keyboards) after a decade.  IMHO, hotter processors (heat kills electronics) and bigger screens (thin machines flex more) make such workhorses a tough act to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of IBM 600, 600E, and 600X Thinkpads are still in use (and with great keyboards) after a decade.  IMHO, hotter processors (heat kills electronics) and bigger screens (thin machines flex more) make such workhorses a tough act to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: I</title>
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		<dc:creator>I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24.
Close, but I think you mean the Consumer Guarantees Act (1993)...

http://consumeraffairs.govt.nz/consumerinfo/cga/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24.<br />
Close, but I think you mean the Consumer Guarantees Act (1993)&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://consumeraffairs.govt.nz/consumerinfo/cga/index.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://consumeraffairs.govt.nz/consumerinfo/cga/index.html' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://consumeraffairs.govt.nz/consumerinfo/cga/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP, I know the various product of HP. But I don&#039;t know about Quality. I am sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP, I know the various product of HP. But I don&#8217;t know about Quality. I am sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Wretched Gnu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wretched Gnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Pavilion came with ATI (mobility x700).  It&#039;s over 3 years old and still the best machine I&#039;ve ever had.  And still faster than my wife&#039;s new Macbook!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Pavilion came with ATI (mobility x700).  It&#8217;s over 3 years old and still the best machine I&#8217;ve ever had.  And still faster than my wife&#8217;s new Macbook!</p>
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		<title>By: nerd6</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerd6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you have any consumer protection laws in your country?  How can HP get away with charging you for repairs to a product that only lasts 1 year and 2 months??

In New Zealand the Consumer Protection Act requires that products last a reasonable time before failing.  If they don&#039;t fix it for free, a claim in the Disputes Tribunal (a small claims court which is lawyer-free) would soon force them to do it.

(However if you bought your laptop for business purposes the Consumer Protection Act does not apply).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you have any consumer protection laws in your country?  How can HP get away with charging you for repairs to a product that only lasts 1 year and 2 months??</p>
<p>In New Zealand the Consumer Protection Act requires that products last a reasonable time before failing.  If they don&#8217;t fix it for free, a claim in the Disputes Tribunal (a small claims court which is lawyer-free) would soon force them to do it.</p>
<p>(However if you bought your laptop for business purposes the Consumer Protection Act does not apply).</p>
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		<title>By: *required</title>
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		<dc:creator>*required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My HP laptop (late 2007, dual core, nVidia, Vista, 2GB) will stutter if I play a DVD in full screen. If I dare play a video file in full screen for more than 30 seconds it will crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My HP laptop (late 2007, dual core, nVidia, Vista, 2GB) will stutter if I play a DVD in full screen. If I dare play a video file in full screen for more than 30 seconds it will crash.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP has been screwing users for years... I&#039;ve never been impressed by any of their consumer computer gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP has been screwing users for years&#8230; I&#8217;ve never been impressed by any of their consumer computer gear.</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20 I think that SSDs will go a long way to solving the heat issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 I think that SSDs will go a long way to solving the heat issues.</p>
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		<title>By: GregA</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15,

I have maintained notebook computers for a small army of salespeople.  Laptops last right up until the 2nd or third time they are dropped.  In that your computer still has a funtioning backlight in the screen tells me that computer was stored safely away for many years.

I have an old Dell something or other (486-100) that runs some ancient version of slackware linux.  It still works because I never use it.  Thats what...  15 years old?

#18,

They are made so cheaply because people who use laptop computers for a living recognize that they last until they are dropped, sat on, or levered into their bag and something breaks the screen.

I think ssd&#039;s will solve the problems of dropping running notebooks, at least you wont lose all your data.  But still there are lots of parts to lever off and break in a dropped laptop.  Apple probably has done the best to ruggadize the notebooks with their brick design, but they still are not saying its safe to drop em.  Also, this is why the ruggedized computers have never taken off...  Even those computers break when you drop em.

Gasparrini,

You are describing a laptop that was dropped, or allowed to overheat.  Folling your provided links, there are lots of people who both admit to dropping their laptop and having this problem(one lady describes cat hair and bed use!).  If you are in one of the covered devices they have extended the warranty to two years.

I think the solution is for laptop companies to start putting those Drop-n-tell, devices in the notebook computers.  They could probably put one in for heat as well.

The all-in-one computers all suffer from the short lifetime as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15,</p>
<p>I have maintained notebook computers for a small army of salespeople.  Laptops last right up until the 2nd or third time they are dropped.  In that your computer still has a funtioning backlight in the screen tells me that computer was stored safely away for many years.</p>
<p>I have an old Dell something or other (486-100) that runs some ancient version of slackware linux.  It still works because I never use it.  Thats what&#8230;  15 years old?</p>
<p>#18,</p>
<p>They are made so cheaply because people who use laptop computers for a living recognize that they last until they are dropped, sat on, or levered into their bag and something breaks the screen.</p>
<p>I think ssd&#8217;s will solve the problems of dropping running notebooks, at least you wont lose all your data.  But still there are lots of parts to lever off and break in a dropped laptop.  Apple probably has done the best to ruggadize the notebooks with their brick design, but they still are not saying its safe to drop em.  Also, this is why the ruggedized computers have never taken off&#8230;  Even those computers break when you drop em.</p>
<p>Gasparrini,</p>
<p>You are describing a laptop that was dropped, or allowed to overheat.  Folling your provided links, there are lots of people who both admit to dropping their laptop and having this problem(one lady describes cat hair and bed use!).  If you are in one of the covered devices they have extended the warranty to two years.</p>
<p>I think the solution is for laptop companies to start putting those Drop-n-tell, devices in the notebook computers.  They could probably put one in for heat as well.</p>
<p>The all-in-one computers all suffer from the short lifetime as well.</p>
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		<title>By: King Luis XIV of France</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Luis XIV of France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend had the same problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend had the same problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most laptops today are drastically overfeatured and built like crap. When every place that sells laptops also has a variety of aftermarket products in order to stop them from baking you should know that most of them are simply built badly. 

What to do? Buy a Netbook with an SSD and keep a home PC for the heavy duty stuff. Or, if you must have the features, and I highly doubt that you do, buy a Panasonic, because they build ones that are good and charge accordingly. Anything else is asking for trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most laptops today are drastically overfeatured and built like crap. When every place that sells laptops also has a variety of aftermarket products in order to stop them from baking you should know that most of them are simply built badly. </p>
<p>What to do? Buy a Netbook with an SSD and keep a home PC for the heavy duty stuff. Or, if you must have the features, and I highly doubt that you do, buy a Panasonic, because they build ones that are good and charge accordingly. Anything else is asking for trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 16 McCullough said,  &quot;I use several versions Vista on different computers and haven’t had a BSOD since the Beta. Don’t have a clue to what your problem is.&quot;

Don&#039;t know.  I&#039;ve used 3 different machines (not ultimate) and on 2 of them I&#039;ve been able freeze (unrecoverable without reboot) just by using Windows mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 16 McCullough said,  &#8220;I use several versions Vista on different computers and haven’t had a BSOD since the Beta. Don’t have a clue to what your problem is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;ve used 3 different machines (not ultimate) and on 2 of them I&#8217;ve been able freeze (unrecoverable without reboot) just by using Windows mail.</p>
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