Part 3 of a 5 part video. This is some of the best low-rent propaganda I’ve seen for decades.


Below are a few passages from the report that serve as confessions of the defeat suffered by Darwinists. Expressions in the report such as “The greatest Creationist offensive ever,” “Panic in [Darwinist] education,” “Adnan Oktar is the leader of the most influential anti-evolution movement in the Muslim world,” “His deterrent force is impressive,” “terribly effective” and “There has never been such a great anti-Darwinist movement before”, are evidence of Darwinists’ and materialists’ helplessness and despair in the face of Mr. Oktar’s works. Another striking passage in the text reads, “If Creationist ideas are victorious in these lands of laic philosophy, THE STRUGGLE WILL BE WON. HIS GREAT DREAM OF PIOUS EUROPE WILL BE A REALITY…” The laic philosophy referred to here is not, of course, the laicism that respects all beliefs, and espouses freedom of ideas and both believers and atheists being freely able to express their ideas, of the kind supported by Adnan Oktar and all Muslims.

Much of this is explained in the commentary below:

Steve Jones, intrepid explorer of Darwin’s Island review | Non-fiction book reviews – Times Online

He is actually less angry, and less baffled, by the rise in creationism among his students, which he attributes with surprising certainty to the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza. Most of these students are Muslim, he explains, and “it’s an attempt to give themselves a stronger personal identity built around Islam”. If that sounds odd, it’s not half as odd as the multimillion-pound Islamic creationist campaign run by one Harun Yahya, whom Jones believes is behind the whole phenomenon. Yahya, based and formerly jailed in Turkey, is “a very sinister character” who has distributed tens of thousands of books on Islamic creationism at his own expense to spread the view that “if you believe in it you’re Islamic and if you don’t you’re anti- Islamic”. Which, Jones adds, “is completely potty because if you look at the Koran it says almost nothing about creation”.

You have to ask yourself one question. WHen will the radical Creationist Muslims join forces with the Christian Creationists to form a united anti-science front? It’s bound to happen.

related link:
Harun Yahya (aka Adnan Oktar) site. Egomaniac? Or Great Marketing man?

  1. Hmeyers says:

    @Bobbo “Also telling you got your education from a creationist and here you are as an adult today speaking against one of the strongest theories/laws/facts of science. See any connection?”

    I’m not speaking against evolution, I’m speaking for science.

    The top of the ladder in science is intellectual honesty.

    When someone is accurately portraying what the theory of evolution is good at and what it is poor at, that is science.

    When someone is using evolution as an explanation for what it can’t adequately explain, they are just words being dressed under the “baffle them with bullshit” banner.

    Science exists to be considered, critiqued, discussed, criticized and improved. Not taken on faith. Not unquestioned. It does not even require you to believe it.

    Are you part of the thought police? Is this an Islamic country where I go to jail if I oppose the state-sponsored position?

    Did you consider it science when Al Gore proposed the global warming theory presented by several history and english professors?

    Did you consider it science when the global warming advocates started labeling critics and people with differing opinions “Climate Change Deniers”?

    Was it science when a number of scientists signed the UN paper on the subject and global warming advocates declared global warming to be validated by fiat?

    The flat Earth theory is presented in schools when they discuss Copernicus and Galileo.

    Spontaneous generation is presented when Louis Pasteur’s work is presented.

    But we have to coddle evolution and protect it from thought and debate and can’t discuss issues it does a poor job of explaining?

    Sounds like a religion to me. No wonder this country lags in science. The people that should be advocating critical thought are very ones that are trying to deter it!

  2. Hmeyers says:

    @ QB

    “The thing that really saddens me the most is the story about your Creationist Grade 10 Science/Biology teacher saying “Today I am going to present a theory that I disagree with but am required to teach.””

    The thing that saddens me that the only people studying evolution are the religious people who want to find fault with it and the rest of us aren’t supposed to think about it, but accept it as true without question.

    As a result, you have a lot of evolution advocates that don’t know really know much about evolution, can’t explain it, can’t defend it and we are still supposed to call this “science”.

    I’ll take the 1 guy that supports a theory because he understands in detail why he supports it over 100 people that support a theory because they were told it was true and that was good enough for them.

  3. bobbo says:

    Heres another analogy since you haven’t taken the meaning delivered straight on.

    There is a science of optics that deals with light waves. It tells us that white light is made up of the entire visible spectrum while green light is what we see when an object absorbs all other wavelengths but reflects or radiates the light in the green spectrum.

    Fair and good. Its a “theory.” Now you come and say I have a marble in a box, what color is it? We don’t know because the marble is in a box and we can’t see it. You claim the theory of light optics is wrong because it can’t answer this question.

    Its an analogy to what you are doing with evolution. Evolution doesn’t explain xyz, therefore its not good science. Frankly, you just sound ignorant which is in contrast to your knowledge and arrangement of facts you predicate your conclusion on. Its sounds like dogma==something that doesn’t withstand scrutiny but is taken and repeated regardless.

    Paddy is even worse. He posts that some imagined gap actually “disproves” the theory of evolution.

    You both are missing the point that has been clearly expressed. Must be something psychological?

  4. Mr. Fusion says:


    In #36 I used the word “proved” when I should have used the word “demonstrated”.

    I was incorrect.

  5. bobbo says:

    #36–Fusion==your demonstration proved evolution as much as others will aver that evolution is only a theory.

  6. Mr. Fusion says:

    #62, Meyers,

    When someone is using evolution as an explanation for what it can’t adequately explain, they are just words being dressed under the “baffle them with bullshit” banner.

    Again, that is where you have erred. You point to holes or incongruities in the Theory of Evolution and say “Look, it is wrong”. It isn’t. Cell wall differences is not a demonstration or example of an evolution hole. That plants usually have different cell walls than soft animal tissue or animal bone is a demonstration that cells specialize.

    The origin of life is NOT an evolutionary question. Nor is the creation of the universe. Asking for an explanation of either event as proof or rebuttal of evolution is the same as asking the Pope to justify Creative Commons Licensing.

    It is very true that most people can not explain evolution very well. Even fewer understand it totally. This is no different than the number of people who are licensed physicians. We might all know a little bit about our bodies, but we aren’t experts. Or writing computer code. Many of us can use a computer but only a few can write the code to make it run. The numbers though mean little because we we trust the physician, pilot, programmer, engineer, butcher, and others to be the experts and do a better job than we can.

  7. bobbo says:

    Seeing and Believing
    by Jerry A. Coyne

    The never-ending attempt to reconcile science and religion, and why it is doomed to fail.

    A Nice little read–First page is interesting as are the following five. Fun Fact: Darwin was born on the same day as Abraham Lincoln.

  8. zebulon says:

    Hello From France,

    I didn’t take the time to read all the preceding posts. Part of the information comes from a French news magazine ( le nouvel observateur), and might have been misunderstood). In fact, confusion seems it’s on purpose
    I just want to point out a few facts:

    1) Turkey is not in europe, and not in the EU. There have been talks about it entering it, but it’s far from being done.

    2) I’m afraid there could be a confusion between Turkey and France in some articles ( ).

    Creationism is almost unknown in France, the Darwinian theory is the only one taught in school, and it’s not about to change.

  9. Paddy-O says:

    # 69 zebulon said, “Creationism is almost unknown in France, the Darwinian theory is the only one taught in school, and it’s not about to change.”

    One discredited hypothesis dropped while another is being taught. I don’t know if that is something to be proud of…

  10. bobbo says:

    Here is an example of the border line of the predictive potential of the natural selection theory:

    a fun read if god is allowed to be studied:


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