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		<title>By: ruchi</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-4/#comment-1488604</link>
		<dc:creator>ruchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming has become an issue that divides evangelicals in America. Liberal and even some conservative evangelicals are willing to acknowledge that human actions are harming the environment and that changes need to be made. Most conservative evangelicals continue to insist that there are no problems and nothing to change, just like the Republican Party tells them. 
Via Carpetbagger, we can read a piece from the Interfaith Stewardship Alliance: 

The Rev. Jim Tonkowich of the Institute on Religion and Democracy said there is a spiritual battle behind the global-warming scare. 

“Much secular thinking about the environment includes a right to abortion. Why is that?” he asked. “Well, we want to keep the population down because human beings are nothing but users and polluters. 

“The biblical view sees human beings as stewards, builders, co-creators with God. Take the stuff of creation and make — build cities.” 
The Institute on Religion and Democracy, by the way, is the group which is dedicated to infiltrating mainstream, moderate churches in order to either transform them into clones of the Southern Baptist Convention or to cause a schism and break them apart. Either way, the goal of diluting and reducing the social, cultural influence of moderate and liberal Christian organizations will be fulfilled. 

That aside, I just don’t see the “logic” to this: the idea of global warming was created to decrease growth rates and thereby justify having more abortions? This sort of thing can only be asserted by someone convinced that fighting attempts to criminalize abortion is only done by people who want there to be more abortions rather than by people who simply want abortion to be available. 

I wonder, though, what the Institute on Religion and Democracy and the Interfaith Stewardship Alliance have to say about Pat Robertson, who has become “converted” to the global warming cause: 

“We really need to address the burning of fossil fuels,” Robertson said on his “700 Club” broadcast. “It is getting hotter, and the icecaps are melting and there is a buildup of carbon dioxide in the air.” 

This week the heat index, the perceived temperature based on both air temperatures and humidity, reached 115 Fahrenheit in some regions of the U.S. East Coast. The 76-year-old Robertson told viewers that was “the most convincing evidence I’ve seen on global warming in a long time.” [Source: Yahoo] 
It was only this past October that Pat Robertson accused the National Association of Evangelicals of teaming up with “far left environmentalists” in endorsing the existence of global warming, so he appears to have changed rather quickly. Do other conservative evangelicals believe that Pat Robertson is doing this in order to encourage women to have more abortions? No? Why not? 





http://healthcareindia-drruchibhatt.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming has become an issue that divides evangelicals in America. Liberal and even some conservative evangelicals are willing to acknowledge that human actions are harming the environment and that changes need to be made. Most conservative evangelicals continue to insist that there are no problems and nothing to change, just like the Republican Party tells them.<br />
Via Carpetbagger, we can read a piece from the Interfaith Stewardship Alliance: </p>
<p>The Rev. Jim Tonkowich of the Institute on Religion and Democracy said there is a spiritual battle behind the global-warming scare. </p>
<p>“Much secular thinking about the environment includes a right to abortion. Why is that?” he asked. “Well, we want to keep the population down because human beings are nothing but users and polluters. </p>
<p>“The biblical view sees human beings as stewards, builders, co-creators with God. Take the stuff of creation and make — build cities.”<br />
The Institute on Religion and Democracy, by the way, is the group which is dedicated to infiltrating mainstream, moderate churches in order to either transform them into clones of the Southern Baptist Convention or to cause a schism and break them apart. Either way, the goal of diluting and reducing the social, cultural influence of moderate and liberal Christian organizations will be fulfilled. </p>
<p>That aside, I just don’t see the “logic” to this: the idea of global warming was created to decrease growth rates and thereby justify having more abortions? This sort of thing can only be asserted by someone convinced that fighting attempts to criminalize abortion is only done by people who want there to be more abortions rather than by people who simply want abortion to be available. </p>
<p>I wonder, though, what the Institute on Religion and Democracy and the Interfaith Stewardship Alliance have to say about Pat Robertson, who has become “converted” to the global warming cause: </p>
<p>“We really need to address the burning of fossil fuels,” Robertson said on his “700 Club” broadcast. “It is getting hotter, and the icecaps are melting and there is a buildup of carbon dioxide in the air.” </p>
<p>This week the heat index, the perceived temperature based on both air temperatures and humidity, reached 115 Fahrenheit in some regions of the U.S. East Coast. The 76-year-old Robertson told viewers that was “the most convincing evidence I’ve seen on global warming in a long time.” [Source: Yahoo]<br />
It was only this past October that Pat Robertson accused the National Association of Evangelicals of teaming up with “far left environmentalists” in endorsing the existence of global warming, so he appears to have changed rather quickly. Do other conservative evangelicals believe that Pat Robertson is doing this in order to encourage women to have more abortions? No? Why not? </p>
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		<title>By: bobbo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1485352</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so tell me.. how can u get an abortion and not call it murder ///  Silly Rabit--murder is illegal and abortion is not.

Partial birth abortions  are supposed to occur only when the mothers life is in danger.  Can we all agree full grown adult females should be able to decide that question for themselves?

Honeypoo--its not murder==by definition.  

Its only a sin if your religion says so.  My anti-theism does not allow for sin.

If you don&#039;t want an abortion you are FREE not to have one.  You should give other women the same choice.

The law touches your body  and the baby&#039;s body with either choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so tell me.. how can u get an abortion and not call it murder ///  Silly Rabit&#8211;murder is illegal and abortion is not.</p>
<p>Partial birth abortions  are supposed to occur only when the mothers life is in danger.  Can we all agree full grown adult females should be able to decide that question for themselves?</p>
<p>Honeypoo&#8211;its not murder==by definition.  </p>
<p>Its only a sin if your religion says so.  My anti-theism does not allow for sin.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want an abortion you are FREE not to have one.  You should give other women the same choice.</p>
<p>The law touches your body  and the baby&#8217;s body with either choice.</p>
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		<title>By: inGodwetrust</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1485342</link>
		<dc:creator>inGodwetrust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so tell me.. how can u get an abortion and not call it murder!!! lets start at partial birth abortion. so your willing to sufficate or kill a baby when its old enough to live, to take the responsibility off you back. How did you know the baby couldn&#039;t be adopted but you rather kill it. Saying to not touch my body but don&#039;t have the law touch my body. we don&#039;t want to touch your body and were not forcing anything upon you but we just want you to understand what your fully doing. im 13 and im a teenager. if i was pregnant and had a baby no way would i go for abortion but neither would i keep it. i would have it adopted because in the bible we are not to murder and just because it hasn&#039;t taken it&#039;s first breath, really is it not human. remember i&#039;m a teen and i&#039;m just trying to tell you that you will regret killing your baby and not seeing what it might have been able to achieve and yes i&#039;m a christian but even if your not christian do you support murder??? i know that&#039;s not one persons religion is to kill babies. fully understand what your going to do before you get an abortion and i pray that our country will realize killing babies is a sin even if you think babies aren&#039;t worth it to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so tell me.. how can u get an abortion and not call it murder!!! lets start at partial birth abortion. so your willing to sufficate or kill a baby when its old enough to live, to take the responsibility off you back. How did you know the baby couldn&#8217;t be adopted but you rather kill it. Saying to not touch my body but don&#8217;t have the law touch my body. we don&#8217;t want to touch your body and were not forcing anything upon you but we just want you to understand what your fully doing. im 13 and im a teenager. if i was pregnant and had a baby no way would i go for abortion but neither would i keep it. i would have it adopted because in the bible we are not to murder and just because it hasn&#8217;t taken it&#8217;s first breath, really is it not human. remember i&#8217;m a teen and i&#8217;m just trying to tell you that you will regret killing your baby and not seeing what it might have been able to achieve and yes i&#8217;m a christian but even if your not christian do you support murder??? i know that&#8217;s not one persons religion is to kill babies. fully understand what your going to do before you get an abortion and i pray that our country will realize killing babies is a sin even if you think babies aren&#8217;t worth it to live.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1483297</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rob said,

Population growth cannot continue forever so either we decide how to stop growth or nature will do it for us.&quot;

Rob beat me to it. I don&#039;t think ivory-tower inhabiting types should make policies that keep people from reproducing excessively, but individuals should be thoughtful and careful about it, or Mother Nature will bitch-slap us back to a reasonable level. And the third-world countries where they have babies in bulk without thought will be (rightfully) hardest hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rob said,</p>
<p>Population growth cannot continue forever so either we decide how to stop growth or nature will do it for us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rob beat me to it. I don&#8217;t think ivory-tower inhabiting types should make policies that keep people from reproducing excessively, but individuals should be thoughtful and careful about it, or Mother Nature will bitch-slap us back to a reasonable level. And the third-world countries where they have babies in bulk without thought will be (rightfully) hardest hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Sea Lawyer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1483196</link>
		<dc:creator>Sea Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1, If we would stop endlessly pursuing ways to unnaturally sustain the lives of diseased and developmentally defective humans, I would go a long way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1, If we would stop endlessly pursuing ways to unnaturally sustain the lives of diseased and developmentally defective humans, I would go a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1483091</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 Better than shipping people to China is turn the US into China. 

Go, give them hell!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 Better than shipping people to China is turn the US into China. </p>
<p>Go, give them hell!.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482961</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39

That is the most lame ass post I have ever seen...Even worse than 

Paddy-Hoe!

I like the 2 child rule because it prevents people like you from being born and subsequently stops you from posting crap on the internet.




you 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39</p>
<p>That is the most lame ass post I have ever seen&#8230;Even worse than </p>
<p>Paddy-Hoe!</p>
<p>I like the 2 child rule because it prevents people like you from being born and subsequently stops you from posting crap on the internet.</p>
<p>you </p>
<p>ASS</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482921</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43 The irony is that places like the US is filling up with those that proceate for lack of a TV habit. (oops! I see your acknowledgement of the issue on #45)

#46 Yes we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43 The irony is that places like the US is filling up with those that proceate for lack of a TV habit. (oops! I see your acknowledgement of the issue on #45)</p>
<p>#46 Yes we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimby</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482913</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#52 - you may get part of your wish very soon. The US, China, Russia and EU are all anxious to colonize the moon supposedly to get mining rights to the tritium and I&#039;m sure many other minerals. Also, first come gets the best sites - i.e. those with probable mineable water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#52 &#8211; you may get part of your wish very soon. The US, China, Russia and EU are all anxious to colonize the moon supposedly to get mining rights to the tritium and I&#8217;m sure many other minerals. Also, first come gets the best sites &#8211; i.e. those with probable mineable water.</p>
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		<title>By: amodedoma</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482902</link>
		<dc:creator>amodedoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should get busy colonizing the moon and terraforming mars!  I don&#039;t wanna live in a world that&#039;s gonna tell me how many kids I can have. Look what happend in China... It&#039;s just not the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should get busy colonizing the moon and terraforming mars!  I don&#8217;t wanna live in a world that&#8217;s gonna tell me how many kids I can have. Look what happend in China&#8230; It&#8217;s just not the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimby</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482858</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 21 caa said, &quot;How about being a single mother with 6 kids that has already declared bankruptcy, with no viable means of support, having another 8?

Is that irresponsible?&quot;

Yes, it is. BUT ... it&#039;s not the norm, either.

In fact, the doctor that implanted that many embryos (and there were probably more than eight) was as irresponsible as the woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 21 caa said, &#8220;How about being a single mother with 6 kids that has already declared bankruptcy, with no viable means of support, having another 8?</p>
<p>Is that irresponsible?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it is. BUT &#8230; it&#8217;s not the norm, either.</p>
<p>In fact, the doctor that implanted that many embryos (and there were probably more than eight) was as irresponsible as the woman.</p>
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		<title>By: QB</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482848</link>
		<dc:creator>QB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 HMeyers, nicely put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48 HMeyers, nicely put.</p>
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		<title>By: HMeyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>HMeyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@45 &quot;#31- I’d go a little farther- eliminate child tax credits altogether. Why should the childless subsidize procreation?&quot;

Because every child has a life expectancy of 72 years +/- and those children will pay a lot of taxes in their lifetime and some of them will be wiping your butt and giving you spongebaths when you are living in the old people&#039;s home which will be paid for by their taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45 &#8220;#31- I’d go a little farther- eliminate child tax credits altogether. Why should the childless subsidize procreation?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because every child has a life expectancy of 72 years +/- and those children will pay a lot of taxes in their lifetime and some of them will be wiping your butt and giving you spongebaths when you are living in the old people&#8217;s home which will be paid for by their taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482823</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For every woman that doesn&#039;t have a child another woman has to have 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For every woman that doesn&#8217;t have a child another woman has to have 4.</p>
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		<title>By: brm</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/03/fight-global-warming-get-an-abortion/comment-page-3/#comment-1482805</link>
		<dc:creator>brm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Child-free propaganda, nothing more. These people think that because they don&#039;t want kids, no one should have kids. What a bunch of idiots.

Japan and Europe are faced with a shrinking workforce because no one is having kids. There&#039;s also the argument that we can sustain a few billion more people with no trouble. With the fact that most people don&#039;t seem to want more than three kids, I think we&#039;ll be just fine.

Another progressive pet issue, like carbon caps, wherein the third world will not be held to these ridiculous requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Child-free propaganda, nothing more. These people think that because they don&#8217;t want kids, no one should have kids. What a bunch of idiots.</p>
<p>Japan and Europe are faced with a shrinking workforce because no one is having kids. There&#8217;s also the argument that we can sustain a few billion more people with no trouble. With the fact that most people don&#8217;t seem to want more than three kids, I think we&#8217;ll be just fine.</p>
<p>Another progressive pet issue, like carbon caps, wherein the third world will not be held to these ridiculous requirements.</p>
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