#13 one thing to keep in mind. The Chinese hold that they are the most ‘civilized’ country in existance. The communist party has stoked this belief.
I could well see this being a fake, but only NORAD knows for sure.
Point taken. I just hope that bubble was from an external air pocket. Because if his suit leaks it’s going to be a smelly trip home for the other dude.
But, why am I compelled to watch Apollo 13 every time it’s on cable? Looking for signs of gravity is fun, so is looking for shots filmed in that low-gravity plane.
“Audio quality”? WTF people, use your brain. That could easily be configured to sound like what ever you want. “Bandwidth”? WTF people? It could be a recorded and edited video, who said it was live from space…or at least proved it.
Geostat orbit? WTF people, that’s like 22,000 miles out.
The real question is the BUBBLE. “Just debris” would be frightening…considering the debris is moving at thousands of miles per hour. You do realize a paint flake in space and put a hole through a space craft, right?
What about the fact that the Chinese government posted a detailed press release on their web site, including details of how the launch went, and conversations between ground and craft…the day BEFORE the launch.
I have news for you…there are no peaceful missions to space. The Hubble space telescope, you can bet there is a duplicate with a different lens dimension pointed down. Apollo…great research for missile guidance.
This story really points out the complete lack of knowledge of physics and nature by most people..and the Chinese government.
Living in Chinese culture, this does not surprise me at all; whatever works for the moment is what counts, fake it or lie or cheat… Who cares afterwards, right?! It served the purpose! Just like we do in politics in the West. The bubble was funny though – liquid space, that is a new one. )
Geeze, I remembered a debunking of this claim – and did a quick search, found it was last October.
The blogger is an astronomer, known for his debunking of ‘moon hoax’ believers (among other things), and reviews of various SciFi movies and their errors in science = thus, the Bad Astronomer.
Here’s the link to the blog post: http://tinyurl.com/b9guhy
Then again the whole pre-scripting between the news and the astronomers can’t be debunked. That was just insanely stupid to prescript what to say before anything ever happened.
The problem I have with this is that the Chinese are not stupid. If they were to fake the whole thing, surely they would edit the video to remove ‘impurities’, just like any 11 year old with cracked software could do. That they would be this careless just doesn’t wash.
The “bubble” looked to gain speed, i.e. accelerate. A piece of debris in space cannot accelerate. Something would have to be acting on it to cause acceleration. Now, it may be possible for the editor to have sped up the tape to make it appear to accelerate.
My opinion is they did launch a manned mission, they may have even done a spacewalk, but the recording of the underwater practice sessions just looked so much superior that some mid-level necktie put it up instead.
To dredge up an old conspiracy, Yuri Gagarin may not have been the first human in space. He was the first to go up and survive re-entry, no doubt. But there were hints of an earlier Soviet flight where the cosmonaut did not survive. And a live hero was a much greater propaganda tool than a dead one.
My guess is they did a real space walk, but recorded the video for release beforehand.
After the Olympics, this would just seem normal for them. (and not a big issue that it was staged.)
I’m a moron and I can make a spacesuit. This stuff just isn’t that hard. If you can put people in space you can put them outside.
In other words, absolutely the Chinese had a successful launch, successful space walk and successful retrieval, but the press photos and video may not have been real. Maybe they have learned from US that controlling impressions is VERY important.
I don’t think the Chinese people care that much, and frankly, I don’t think you should give a s*** either. It happened and in their controlled society, they spun the spin.
Be thankful you live where you do!
The “bubble” is a particle of something that heads in a dead-straight vector from below the helmet at an angle TOWARD the camera. As it gets closer, it cuts a greater angle of view relative to the camera per frame, just like a car passing you at a constant speed does to a lock-down camera.
Other “bubbles” move at non-vertical angles. What did the Chinese do, tip the whole underwater set so the unwanted “bubbles” would move away at different angles? How could they possibly have solved this problem before it was ever pointed to AS a problem?
Most space walks have numerous small particles and bits of stuff wandering out into space. Especially early ones. And this WAS China’s first. Maybe they will clean the capsule better next time.
The “lights” where empty space should be? Look at the angle of the mirror when the lights are seen. It’s reflecting something down below the astronaut’s arm. Like… dare I guess… lights INSIDE the craft? You know, where the sun don’t shine all the time. As in “indoor lighting.”
Then there is the flag thing. This is NOWHERE NEAR what a flag would look like in liquid. It is just like what a piece of fabric will do without any exterior influence other than its own slight springiness in a vacuum. There were similar confusions about the look of the flag our guys planted on the Moon. Of course, there are those who insist that was fake, too, but Myth Busters showed how the moon shots were not faked, even with the tools of 40+ years of better special effects techniques were brought in.
Then there is the locked-down shot Earth-in-the-background item. Well, what did you expect? The camera is locked down. The craft is locked in relationship to the earth. There are very good reasons to do this for the comfort and orientation of the astronauts. NASA does it, too. The clouds are moving exactly as one would expect from a low-earth orbit. You see the same thing all the time on Shuttle views.
This so-called revelation is from a non-thinker. Every astronaut who has ever done a space walk is looking at their footage and saying, “looks okay to me,” but the moran who made this little movie never had the ability to understand what he saw.
#13 one thing to keep in mind. The Chinese hold that they are the most ‘civilized’ country in existance.
The communist party has stoked this belief.
I could well see this being a fake, but only NORAD knows for sure.
Point taken. I just hope that bubble was from an external air pocket. Because if his suit leaks it’s going to be a smelly trip home for the other dude.
But, why am I compelled to watch Apollo 13 every time it’s on cable? Looking for signs of gravity is fun, so is looking for shots filmed in that low-gravity plane.
“Audio quality”? WTF people, use your brain. That could easily be configured to sound like what ever you want. “Bandwidth”? WTF people? It could be a recorded and edited video, who said it was live from space…or at least proved it.
Geostat orbit? WTF people, that’s like 22,000 miles out.
The real question is the BUBBLE. “Just debris” would be frightening…considering the debris is moving at thousands of miles per hour. You do realize a paint flake in space and put a hole through a space craft, right?
What about the fact that the Chinese government posted a detailed press release on their web site, including details of how the launch went, and conversations between ground and craft…the day BEFORE the launch.
I have news for you…there are no peaceful missions to space. The Hubble space telescope, you can bet there is a duplicate with a different lens dimension pointed down. Apollo…great research for missile guidance.
This story really points out the complete lack of knowledge of physics and nature by most people..and the Chinese government.
Ducky,
Please tell me what you do so that I may avoid you, and your work, like the plague.
Living in Chinese culture, this does not surprise me at all; whatever works for the moment is what counts, fake it or lie or cheat… Who cares afterwards, right?! It served the purpose! Just like we do in politics in the West. The bubble was funny though – liquid space, that is a new one.
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#24 I work at the DMV.
What? Nobody has ever seen a fart released into space?!
a child’s play – walking on the milky way
Geeze, I remembered a debunking of this claim – and did a quick search, found it was last October.
The blogger is an astronomer, known for his debunking of ‘moon hoax’ believers (among other things), and reviews of various SciFi movies and their errors in science = thus, the Bad Astronomer.
Here’s the link to the blog post:
http://tinyurl.com/b9guhy
J/P=?
The people are fake not the space walk.
Then again the whole pre-scripting between the news and the astronomers can’t be debunked. That was just insanely stupid to prescript what to say before anything ever happened.
The bubbles and reflected lights look pretty convincing.
The problem I have with this is that the Chinese are not stupid. If they were to fake the whole thing, surely they would edit the video to remove ‘impurities’, just like any 11 year old with cracked software could do. That they would be this careless just doesn’t wash.
probably a real space flight, but virtually certainly a fake video of a space walk
#34 you mean not stupid like what they did with the kid who sung at the Olympics and how they treated the real one?
Or all the savings they could get by not following rules, policies and regulations for products?
or…but then again, they’re not the only one..just the more visual one on the news
The “bubble” looked to gain speed, i.e. accelerate. A piece of debris in space cannot accelerate. Something would have to be acting on it to cause acceleration. Now, it may be possible for the editor to have sped up the tape to make it appear to accelerate.
My opinion is they did launch a manned mission, they may have even done a spacewalk, but the recording of the underwater practice sessions just looked so much superior that some mid-level necktie put it up instead.
To dredge up an old conspiracy, Yuri Gagarin may not have been the first human in space. He was the first to go up and survive re-entry, no doubt. But there were hints of an earlier Soviet flight where the cosmonaut did not survive. And a live hero was a much greater propaganda tool than a dead one.
My guess is they did a real space walk, but recorded the video for release beforehand.
After the Olympics, this would just seem normal for them. (and not a big issue that it was staged.)
I’m a moron and I can make a spacesuit. This stuff just isn’t that hard. If you can put people in space you can put them outside.
In other words, absolutely the Chinese had a successful launch, successful space walk and successful retrieval, but the press photos and video may not have been real. Maybe they have learned from US that controlling impressions is VERY important.
I don’t think the Chinese people care that much, and frankly, I don’t think you should give a s*** either. It happened and in their controlled society, they spun the spin.
Be thankful you live where you do!
Come on, outer space isn’t a big deal anymore.
What worries me is why so much chinese debris is falling off their spacecraft. Is it made out of rice paper?
The film seems to be Sped up..
to bad there isnt a TIME STAMP on the film..
Underwater? Bwaaa haa haa ha!
Most certainly not.
The “bubble” is a particle of something that heads in a dead-straight vector from below the helmet at an angle TOWARD the camera. As it gets closer, it cuts a greater angle of view relative to the camera per frame, just like a car passing you at a constant speed does to a lock-down camera.
Other “bubbles” move at non-vertical angles. What did the Chinese do, tip the whole underwater set so the unwanted “bubbles” would move away at different angles? How could they possibly have solved this problem before it was ever pointed to AS a problem?
Most space walks have numerous small particles and bits of stuff wandering out into space. Especially early ones. And this WAS China’s first. Maybe they will clean the capsule better next time.
The “lights” where empty space should be? Look at the angle of the mirror when the lights are seen. It’s reflecting something down below the astronaut’s arm. Like… dare I guess… lights INSIDE the craft? You know, where the sun don’t shine all the time. As in “indoor lighting.”
Then there is the flag thing. This is NOWHERE NEAR what a flag would look like in liquid. It is just like what a piece of fabric will do without any exterior influence other than its own slight springiness in a vacuum. There were similar confusions about the look of the flag our guys planted on the Moon. Of course, there are those who insist that was fake, too, but Myth Busters showed how the moon shots were not faked, even with the tools of 40+ years of better special effects techniques were brought in.
Then there is the locked-down shot Earth-in-the-background item. Well, what did you expect? The camera is locked down. The craft is locked in relationship to the earth. There are very good reasons to do this for the comfort and orientation of the astronauts. NASA does it, too. The clouds are moving exactly as one would expect from a low-earth orbit. You see the same thing all the time on Shuttle views.
This so-called revelation is from a non-thinker. Every astronaut who has ever done a space walk is looking at their footage and saying, “looks okay to me,” but the moran who made this little movie never had the ability to understand what he saw.