Tucson Home Invasion Thwarted by Gun Owner

Published on February 12th, 2009

Score one for the 2nd Amendment.

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# 1 chris said, on February 12th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

Looks like some pretty heavy fire power on both sides. I would be surprised if the house owner is not arrested, or at least investigated, for some type of wrongdoing.

# 2 Joe said, on February 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

People defending their home never makes it in to gun control statistics.

# 3 Improbus said, on February 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

To bad you can’t use booby traps.

# 4 LibertyLover said, on February 12th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

#3, I would say that homeowner was the booby trap.

# 5 bobbo said, on February 12th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

I’ll bet dollar to donuts this was a drug dealer defending his cache against other drug dealers.

How many stray bullets hit any neighbors?

How many will?

No, the statistics control. More people killed by gun violence in USA than any other western country.

If your problem is a mosquito infested swamp, you don’t clean it up by adding more mosquitoes.

# 6 brm said, on February 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

#5 bobbo:

“More people killed by gun violence in USA than any other western country.”

More people killed by automobiles in USA than in any other western country.

# 7 brm said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

#5 bobbo:

“I’ll bet dollar to donuts this was a drug dealer defending his cache against other drug dealers.”

You are probably right. If we legalized drugs, we probably wouldn’t have drug dealers needing to defend their stashes.

“How many stray bullets hit any neighbors?”

Zero, right? I’m pretty sure that would have been part of the story.

# 8 Seerak said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

**If your problem is a mosquito infested swamp, you don’t clean it up by adding more mosquitoes.**

You don’t clean it up by refusing to distinguish between mosquitoes and their victims.

# 9 deowll said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

The drug wars and out of control crime in Mexico aren’t just in Mexico.

I don’t know what if anything the man attacked had to do with this.

He might have been in law enforcement in some manner for all I know or just got in somebody’s way or a good kidnap victim.

Kidnap for ransom is now big business in Mexico and so is killing anybody siding with law enforcement besides dealers fighting over turf.

# 10 Special Ed said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

If my home was invaded, I’m definitely prepared to “thwart.”

# 11 Ivor Biggun said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

I agree with #10 Special Ed. I don’t have an alarm company sign in front of my house. My sign says “Forget the Dog: Beware of the Owner”.

# 12 Jeebers said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

Assault rifles aren’t normally used for home invasions. Something’s not right here.

# 13 natefrog said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

#6, brm:

More people killed by automobiles in USA than in any other western country.

Flawed comparison. Come back to the grown-up’s discussion when you’re able to realize your logical fallacy.

# 14 vonriesling said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

What Jeebers says. This isn’t your average home owner with multiple color surveillance cameras and folks who want to “invade” with semi-autos. The whole story isn’t here.

# 15 bobbo said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

#7–brm==thanks for meeting me half way==YES–many problems really benefit from having 3-4-5 even 7-8-9 laws changed. Hard to juggle that many balls, but I think thats what it takes.

The general reply about cars is that cars serve a necessary function==they are also licensed and heavily regulated. I would also agree their misuse needs to be more firmly dealt with==by changing/adding 7-8-9 more laws==like helping alcohol addicts rather than thinking jail will cure them.

# 16 ¢ said, on February 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

A man found dead on the South Side Sunday morning was fatally shot by a U.S. Border Patrol agent when he and three other armed intruders burst into the agent’s house several hours earlier, an official said Monday.

According to police, Christian Gomez, 20, and Mark A. Escobar Jr., 19, along with two other intruders burst into the home of an off-duty Border Patrol agent and his family about 4:50 a.m. Sunday. One of the suspects shot at the agent when he confronted the intruders and the agent returned fire with his service weapon, said Sgt. Fabian Pacheco, of the Tucson Police Department.
“You can only imagine what that kind of experience would be like,” Pacheco said. “It’s kind of reasonable to expect he would want to defend himself and his family.”

The suspects fled the area in a Kia sport utility vehicle and the agent called 911, Pacheco said. Police did not release the name of the Border Patrol agent.

Several hours after the home invasion, Tucson police found a man in the desert south of East Irvington Road and South First Avenue. The man, identified later as Gomez, had been shot to death, Pacheco said.
Through investigation, detectives learned that Gomez had participated in the home invasion and had been shot by the agent, Pacheco said.

Before finding Gomez’s body, at 7:19 a.m., a Tucson police officer saw smoke near Campbell Avenue and East Virginia Street, according to police. When the officer went to investigate he found the Kia SUV fully engulfed in flames, Pacheco said. When the fire was extinguished they police found bullet holes in the vehicle.
Using information from the various scenes, investigators learned that Escobar had been involved home invasion and that he was the driver of the Kia SUV.

He was booked into Pima County jail on suspicion of first-degree murder under the felony murder rule, which allows suspects to be charged with murder if someone gets killed during the commission of a felony.
Escobar was also booked on suspicion of first-degree burglary, arson of an occupied structure, attempted armed robbery and attempted aggravated robbery.

Detectives don’t know exactly why the armed intruders burst into the Border Patrol agent’s house, Pacheco said. It doesn’t appear that his home was targeted for any specific reason, he said.

The Border Patrol is conducting its own investigation into the agent’s use of deadly force. Tucson Police Department homicide detectives will hand over the results of their investigation to the Pima County Attorney’s Office, which will decide whether or not the agent will face criminal charges or if Escobar will face additional charges.

# 17 Mister Mustard said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

#5 – Bobbo

>>More people killed by gun violence in USA
>>than any other western country.

Must be those damned counterproductive anti-gun laws. Same reason we have so many drunks and drug addicts.

# 18 Mister Mustard said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

#9 – deowll

>>The drug wars and out of control crime in
>>Mexico aren’t just in Mexico.

Right. That part of Tuscon is a hellhole. I’d want a gun too, if I lived there.

# 19 bobbo said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

16–cents==good info there, thanks. Gee, my first guess would be that Mexicans invading a US Border Patrol Officers home might be connected to the “Home Owner” being a US Border Patrol Officer? ((Yuk, Yuk!!))

Once again, a change in game plan is warranted==gangs targeting law enforcement is one major element of a society in a toilet bowl.

And yes, the Officer should be heavily armed and have surveillance==all provided on request by the Employer.

# 20 RBG said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

12 Jeebers. Like you say, “Something’s not right here.” Loaded assault rifles are normally used to return fire when someone’s shooting and about to kill you.

Unless the intention was to scare a benign target into handing over valuables with something that actually couldn’t shoot.

RBG

# 21 GetReal said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

Good for the home owner!

Screw all you gun hating idiots that think he was some kind of bad guy just because he had weapons.

I hope it never happens to you but if it does, you’ll change your tune in a hurry. You’ll be at the gun store first thing the next morning. Just be sure to learn the proper way to use it.

You only get to die one time.

# 22 bobbo said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

You know what else you can wish for? How about protection against micro-meteors from outer space?????

Boy–if you protect yourself against that and one comes down but you are protected==Man, you sure will be happy.

Just be sure to build the micro-meteor shield correctly and learn the proper way to use it, because

You only get to die one time.

[LoL, You slay me... ed.]

# 23 billabong said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

For weapons in the home a 12 gauge loaded alternately with birdshot and slugs and a 45 caliber pistol big enough to knock down a bull and loud enough to scare away all but the deaf.Thank god I live in a town where I don’t need them.

# 24 steve said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

living in tucson i am no less prepared for this kind of invasion from thugs.All i want is peace and quiet-do you feel lucky punk.

# 25 Guy Fawkes said, on February 12th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

Generally I tend to agree with you bobbo, but on this you are wrong. If that home-owner hadn’t been able to protect himself he would be dead right now. So if you don’t mind dying for your belief that’s fine with me, but I’m going to kill any son of a bitch that comes at me with a gun, and hopefully I will shoot better than this guy. Murder rates are only high in places that have tighter gun controls like Miami and Chicago. Criminals won’t come after you if they know they don’t have the upper hand in the situation. If you think vigilantism is bad now wait til we get deeper into this re-depression and more of these punks decide that armed anything is better than trying to find honest work. This is where neosocialism is taking us, the short road to anarchy and chaos!

# 26 Lou said, on February 12th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

They won’t be back any time soon. He He Ha Ha

# 27 friggle said, on February 12th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

Bobbo:
I wish these scumbags were invading your house. Jerk.

# 28 faxon said, on February 12th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

Loved seeing these dirtbag scum wetbacks running once they find out the victim is not a liberal pantywaist asshole. I would have liked it a bunch more if I saw holes torn through the sons of bitches, deep purple red blood spurting out, and squirming in agony as they die in the driveway. Oh. But I am just a gun nut, aren’t I?

# 29 Mac Guy said, on February 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

#21 – Absolutely! That’s why I have firearm instructional videos on youtube, and why I just spent another $60+ on dummy rounds. I enjoy teaching others firearm safety.

# 30 Mac Guy said, on February 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

#28 – Woah… Talk about some anger issues, man. Don’t get me wrong, I think deadly force was more than justified here, but put down the shotgun…

# 31 Lou Minatti said, on February 12th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

“Loved seeing these dirtbag scum wetbacks running once they find out the victim is not a liberal pantywaist asshole.”

I am all for the right to bear arms, but I have to agree with a few of the other commenters. This isn’t Joe Homeowner protecting his castle. There’s more to this story than Joe Homeowner randomly attacked by thugs.

# 32 Kenny B said, on February 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

Suicide is far more common than homicide (5 to 3). Keeping a loaded gun is inviting disaster, especially if there is a teenager in the house.

# 33 George said, on February 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Why is is assumed that the target must be a bad guy? Perhaps he is a jeweler, banker, gunshop owner or law-man. People such as these have been targeted at their homes many times for purposes of robbery or retribution.

Not everyone moves bits around a hard drive for a living. Some people deal in money, valuable items, or lock up bad guys. This makes them potential targets.

Remember that when it comes to home invasion, President Obama supports your right to have firearms for sporting purposes. Of course, he gets to have all the non-sporting arms the Secret Service can muster to protect his new digs.

# 34 bobbo said, on February 12th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

#27–friggle==why?

# 35 Glidedon said, on February 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

Don’t Worry the Dem’s are going to clean up all these guns, H.R. 45

# 36 George said, on February 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

More of the “suicide” attack on firearms. Japan has suicide rates more than double the US rate. France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden, and even Cuba have higher rates, as do many other countries.

Where is the gun connection? I guess if we were talking about Japan, you’d have to tell people that if they have teenagers in the house, they should get rid of their hibachi grill. (Hibachis in cars are commonly used, often in group suicides in Japan.)

# 37 Ace said, on February 12th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

Those more people killed in the u.s. statistics are such BS there are more people killed because the USA is the most populated western country. 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot or manipulated to get the author point across. Case in point look at all the so called global worming evidence.

# 38 deowll said, on February 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

Um, I did seem to have that one figured out. My nephew is on the border patrol and I think that job just got a lot more dangerous.

# 39 GF said, on February 13th, 2009 at 12:50 am

“Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill ‘em right back!” – Firefly

# 40 brm said, on February 13th, 2009 at 1:11 am

#13 natefrog:

“Flawed comparison. Come back to the grown-up’s discussion when you’re able to realize your logical fallacy.”

You only think it’s flawed because you like cars more than you like guns.

With guns, you have a device that causes a few thousand deaths a year. So, it’s obviously not the number of gun deaths that make people want to ban them – there’s some other reason.

Sounds logical to me.

# 41 Mister Mustard said, on February 13th, 2009 at 4:06 am

#28 – Faxon

>>Loved seeing these dirtbag scum wetbacks
>>running

Did they show a picture of the “homeowner” running? Resistance is futile when La Migra comes calling, even’ if you’re armed…

# 42 pettysox said, on February 13th, 2009 at 4:53 am

Maybe I missed it somewhere in the comments, but has anyone besides me noticed the gentleman appears to be wearing a gun belt when he walks out of his house?

# 43 Dallas said, on February 13th, 2009 at 4:55 am

Wow. Property values must have either gone really high or really low after that scene!

# 44 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on February 13th, 2009 at 6:08 am

42…he looks like a cop with that belt. Way more to this story than what’s in the clip.

I get the impression that the homeowner wanted the guys gone, not dead. Otherwise, why shoot the windshield? Shoot the engine and pick off the guys one by one until the cops show up.

# 45 Mrgunguy said, on February 13th, 2009 at 6:31 am

Wish he’d killed them all. To all you who damn the homeowner, fuck you and I hope you die horribly, shot by a home invader you are powerless (not to mention too cowardly) to stop.

And know this, the neighbors of mine who hate guns and complain of my “Armed Response” sign will not be defended by me if the bad guys strike them. I’ll watch them die as I call 911 without a pang of conscience. If you are not willing to defend yourself, you don’t deserve to be defended.

# 46 J said, on February 13th, 2009 at 6:49 am

The incident describe in post #16 is not the same one as in this video. Apparently this kind of crazy shit goes on all the time in Tucson.

The incident described in post #16 happened in Dec of 2007. Not Feb of 2009

GO TUCSON!!!!!

# 47 Paddy-O said, on February 13th, 2009 at 7:07 am

# 43 Dallas said, “Wow. Property values must have either gone really high or really low after that scene!”

I’d guess low…

# 48 Mr Diesel said, on February 13th, 2009 at 8:27 am

Wow! At least a couple of posters have some serious anger issues towards the cretins who tried to break in.

This happening with ten miles of my home more and more often which is the main reason I carry as often as I can. My first duty is to protect myself and my family and if that means using a gun then so be it. I will most likely feel bad if I ever have to protect myself in that manner because it will haunt me the rest of my life but I will do what I have to do.

I know from my late Father (Korean Vet) that it isn’t easy taking another persons life, even in combat.

# 49 Common_Sense said, on February 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

First, I agree with those saying there’s more to this story. Not that I assume the homeowner is bad news, but clearly he had some reason to believe that bad news was headed his way.

Those guys RAN into the house. Way over-armed. So it’s not just that he was armed, but that he was armed, with a firearm readily available, AND had security cameras “all around his house”.

Now, it’s possible that this guy just knew he lived in a bad neighborhood and that someday this might happen, and this was that day. I hope that’s all it is.

#28 – I’m a “liberal pantywaist asshole”, and I support gun control AND this guy’s right to have one for defending his home. Don’t paint the so-called left with one brush. I’m no more inherently right to bear arms than some of you self-proclaimed “gun-nuts” are inherently:

(a) Southern
(b) Redneck
(c) Warmongering
(d) Antigovernment
or
(e) racist.

All of those things are commonly linked assumptions about people who support the second amendment, held by people just as idiotic as you — but from the opposite end of the political spectrum. (Yeah I can see there’s any many liberal dumbasses as there are conservative ones — I mean, just look at Congress for proof…)

I’ll make you a deal — Don’t assume I don’t support the second amendment or even avail myself of it just because I’m a liberal pantywaist asshole who supports waiting periods for buying a gun, and I won’t assume that just because you do support it that you’re all of those things I listed above. (Though, your tone and your use of a racial slur suggest that (c) and (e) might be true, but that’s based on other evidence…)

Full disclosure: I sort of wanted them to get shot too, because one less person running around with assault rifles out around town at the ready probably isn’t a bad thing, and though the homeowner might be suspect, CLEARLY the guys entering the home were up to no good.

# 50 Mr. Fusion said, on February 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

#37, Ace,

Yup. That was a test and you aced it. 87% of all answers falling into the bullshit category are really made up, 19% are phony, and 11% are complete fabrications.

And I have to hand it to you about those Global worms. Whew!!! Spread the news there bro.

# 51 Mr. Fusion said, on February 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

#5, bobbo,

If your problem is a mosquito infested swamp, you don’t clean it up by adding more mosquitoes.

Are you trying to give all these idiots a headache trying to figure that one out?

#49, Common Sense

Good comment.

# 52 Rick Cain said, on February 13th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

I have a feeling the homeowner played Half-Life pretty often.

# 53 bdsmith1981 said, on February 13th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

Hmm… I agree about the whole story not being here. This type of ting just does not happen to normal ppl. 4 guys wielding automatic weapons in a 300C with 20″ rims? yeah, no drugs involved there. This guy is probably a dealer that screwed someone over or the attackers just knew he was sitting on a large pile of cash. Anyway, most ppl who do not have large amounts of narcotics in their house do not feel it necessary to have CCTV’s.

# 54 Mr. Fusion said, on February 14th, 2009 at 5:10 am

#53, BD,

The cameras don’t help those with illegal activities. In fact, the police get a hold of the tapes and that could be incriminating. Surveillance cameras can help the police find culprits and retrieve stolen merchandise. They also are an indication that there is a security system in place.

Most likely this guy was suspected of having valuables that somebody thought they wanted more than the owner, OR, someone was doing a real cheap hit because he pissed them off. Most certainly there is more to this story than we have been told so far.

# 55 GetReal said, on February 14th, 2009 at 6:19 am

# 25 Guy Fawkes said, “This is where neosocialism is taking us”

Some liberals are mistakenly anti-gun; but the CONSERVATIVES are the ones who caused our present economic and foreign policy problems. (or maybe you just can’t bring yourself to believe your own eyes)

# 56 mann said, on February 15th, 2009 at 7:14 am

It appears that many of the police and border patrol agents are so called Hispanic if you watch tv news in areas like Tucson.

If our government would just give the home invading Mexican’s/Hispanic’s, the rest of the our job’s as border patrol agents and or police, they would have everything they want. A job that pays good, excitement of the hunt, legal right to carry fire arms.

We need to just give it all up. If we open the border the Mexican’s can just walk across the border and they won’t be breaking any law. If we just give them our jobs without need to be here legally they won’t be breaking the law. If we do these things we would have much less home invasion.

Give them everything we have and we can just go live out of grocery carts, with no worries.

# 57 CHICO said, on February 15th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

i think all of this is planned here in tucson many other home invasions are happening day after day, this is just one caught on video people acctually live out of this types of situations,plus another thing why this happends here in the south side of tucson is because there is a lot of Drug trafficking and many cartels try to take over money or drugs in this type of case i would think it would be money. People here in the south side ridin on Rims like the ones on the crystler had, you dont see very often from people who Jack..these type of people who do home invasions are called “BAJADORES” they are people who take money away from smugglers and drug dealers…and i think this situation had to do with something with this

# 58 thaDeetz said, on February 16th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

# 55 GetReal said, on February 14th, 2009 at 6:19 am
said:
“Some liberals are mistakenly anti-gun; but the CONSERVATIVES are the ones who caused our present economic and foreign policy problems. (or maybe you just can’t bring yourself to believe your own eyes)”

Ever heard of the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter? Ever heard of “Red-Lining” under Clinton and Reno? Ever heard of the Cloward-Piven Strategy, especially in light of Rahm Emanuel’s ‘never pass up a good crisis to implement transformational change’ comment on Fox News Sunday?

Prolly not, but ignorance of pure fact has never deterred mouth-breathing socialists in the past. The GOP tried numerous times to reign the malfeasance of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but were branded as ‘racists’ by the Black Congressional Caucus every time they tried to reimpose sanity.

Granted the GOP is not perfect, but the only political party actively and openly pursuing the outright subversion of the Constitution are the Democrats.

# 59 talkingpoint said, on February 17th, 2009 at 7:36 am

Stop assuming this guy was a drug dealer, if you took the time to read the follow up articles you would have learned it was a border patrol agent. Cartels, drug dealer, whatever. Alot of times it’s is just some punks trying to make it easy. Home invasion has risen here in Tucson, it used to be 1 every couple months now it has risen to several a month. So my suggestion is arm yourself and be prepared cause it may hit anyone. One last thing, take better care on your aim. So we can have one less punk with a gun out there.

# 60 puppyfeet said, on February 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

So, a couple things to correct misperceptions:

The ‘person’ with the gunbelt in the video is a sheriff, shown walking the property AFTER the incident.

“This” part of Tucson is not a hellhole at all, but a very nice, quiet neighborhood nestled up against the mountains. That homeowner has done much to improve the property in the time they’ve been there.

It’s always interesting to me how people make statements as ‘factual’ when they know nothing about the reality.

# 61 JJOOJOOO said, on February 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm

the owner of this house is a drug dealer im telling you this from personal expirence that he is i live by him and i have been doing buissness with him

# 62 Tim said, on March 24th, 2009 at 8:59 am

Regarding the gun argument…I lived in Calif. in a nice middle class neigborhood in the mountains. Twice in my life, I have been told by law enforcement officials that I would have to protect my familiy myself because we lived too far from a police station for them to react quickly. In one case we were threatened by the perpetrator of an arson (homeowner torched his house for insurance after earthquake), and the other case we had been burglarized repeatedly (while we were away).

When my mother was a small girl in the 1920s, the Cosanostra (mafia)targeted the family. The FBI armed my grandfather (a banker) and escorted my mother and her sister to & from school. The mob firebombed the bank (before FDIC), everyone lost their deposits, and the family nearly went bankrupt. However, nobody in my family was killed and some mob guys were arrested. I wonder if I would have been born if my grandfather (and FBI) couldn’t have protected the family.

For all you fools who think that guns should be banned, think again. “Civility” is a very thin veneer atop man’s age-old behavior of physical domination of others for power, and it is very difficult for law enforcement to guarantee everyone’s safety all the time.

Peace.

# 63 Tim said, on March 24th, 2009 at 9:07 am

To clarify, a family member was witness to events leading up to the arson (smelled gasoline fumes coming next door and heard comments arsonist made), and much to my dismay the California State Bomb and Arson agency compelled the family member to become the State’s main witness against the arsonist. That’s when the treats came, and the sherrif told me I’d have to protect my family myself. Witness protection cannot be guaranteed.

# 64 Shane said, on May 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

I live in Texas and about 2 hours from Mexico. With that said almost every one I know has more then one gun and many of them including me have a few semi auto rifles and handguns, I am a law-abiding citizen and never take the guns out unless I need them. Like the occasional Snake or coyote that comes around but if some one tries to come trough my door or any of my neighbors, I’m really sure they will meet a wall of copper and lead. I work with a guy that has cams set up in his house that he watches from work and my neighbor has them too, I’m about to get some one in the near future my self.
It not paranoia but when I work an hour away and my wife and kid are home alone and they are 15min from town I’d like to keep any eye on things.

Especially with the rise in Dug gang increasing in the area, we are just off a major drug route into Texas from Mexico and a couple of neighboring towns have been overrun and own city official. They keep the police from patrolling the high crime area unless some thing happens there like a shooting. A lot of you don’t understand it’s not just an invasion down here its all out war and takeover and the police and Boarder patrol have their hands tied by the feds and some local government officials. For the most part they can only react to incidents not help prevent them.

My home is protected by K9\dogs, AK47, SKS, Ruger, and Mossberger with full-metal-jackets..

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