GF says:

Outsourcing is much closer to imperialism and not capitalism. When you create products in an environment where the workers don’t own or have property rights you are exploiting them. This is no different than unfair usury, indentured servitude under false pretense or just plain slavery.

jescott418 says:

I guess people missed the fact that he said his family has worked in the auto plants for generations. This is why he is so angry. But he is too close to the situation to realize that the union model has not done well for the American worker lately. In fact their are plenty on non union auto workers in this country plenty happy with their job. But he did represent his point of view poorly and is a perfect example of why many in America have no sympathy for unions. Its always been us against them (the big three). Never any chance to really work at a common goal to better anything but their paychecks and benefits.

Ivor Biggun says:

What a whiner. I thought he was going to start crying and pounding the table any minute.

Mr. Fusion says:

#46, Cow-Patty,

Again I see you are speaking without thinking. There is currently this little thing called the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade or GATT and the World Trade Organization or WTO.

GATT sets up civilized trading between countries that prohibit tariffs and punitive duties. The WTO settles disputes. A failure to adhere to the rules of GATT can bring retaliation duties from the injured country. Health care costs don’t count as a government subsidy because all industrialized countries, except the US, provide them.

Cursor_ says:

in 2005 the median wage earned by citizens of the USA was $44,389.

54.87% of citizens made from 0-50k a year.
44.93% of citizens made over 50k.

As 2007 the median rose to 50,233.

Now does anyone truly think a blue collar worker is in the upper section of income when the median is just 50k?

The US auto industry needs to either be bought by outside interests or die. We have fed them money for years and they still cannot do the job. Few business get to be inept and ignore clients and go on to succeed.

IF the USA TRULY believes in laissez-faire, then allow companies to die when they cannot run their business. If NOT, come right out and make us a socialist nation and get it the smeg over with.

This half one way and half the other is useless. We are flailing about like idiots.

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Mr. Fusion says:

#48, Cow-Patty,

I see that once again you have NO understanding of the constitution. A President can unilaterally nullify any treaty.

Say what? Did your mother drop you on your head and all the coherent thought fall out? Geeze, that is either stooopid or you have been brainwashed by Bushes claims.

Try Article 6, Clause 2.

Mr. Fusion says:

#50, Robert.

The guy couldn’t give a straight answer. This is call an intellectually dishonest debate:

Oh, really? Here, I wrote down the questions for you.

Question 1

“What is your reaction to the plan.”

In short, the mayor answered by saying the workers were always being asked to suffer while those at the top continued to be given bonuses.

Question 2,

Wrong numbers quoted by the interviewer, by using bad numbers from the New York Post, who also owns FIXED NEWS.

“Wouldn’t you agree auto workers need to swallow some pay cuts, substantial ones.”

Although he repeated much of what he had already said. The Mayor still answered the question with a “no”.

Question 3

“Now that you brought it up, $47 billion in future costs to UAW workers, health care for life. You’re wrong, I don’t get health care for life here, and isn’t that part of the problem, they need to give up that which no other worker gets, health care for life?

To which he answered that ‘no, auto workers, in fact all Americans deserve good health care.’

While he answered the questions, it was the answers that you don’t like.

Who said anything about health insurance. Besides my health insurance is fine and I buy it myself….gasp. I don’t make as much as auto workers either.

Health Care is a benefit and is part of the pay package. And if you have a good, oops, “fine”, health insurance package YOU pay for I say bullshit.

… with irrelevant facts: Have the bonuses been cut on Wall Street? Let it go. It has nothing to do with what needs to be done so U.S. car dealers will make a car that I think is worth buying.

Wrong. It is called confidence. If people don’t have confidence in their government or the banks, they won’t spend it. Giving huge bonuses to Wall Street when they were begging for TARP funds does not give anyone confidence. Asking that guy about to buy a new car to take a pay cut doesn’t give any confidence either.

“Teachers are underpaid!” and “Do you want your grandmother eating dog food?”

And are those really irrelevant questions? I know most Leibertarians think teachers are overpaid and don’t care if their grandmothers eat dog food. But I think most Leibertarians are retarded, selfish, assholes.

These emotional, reactive and illogical arguments do nothing to solve the problem. They only get both sides pissed off.

But quoting false numbers as fact is fine? Trying to steer the answers to what the interviewer wants to hear is OK?

Paddy-O says:

# 54 Robart said, “Keep going Paddy-O. He is resorting to name calling.”

He ends up having to do that more often as not. Still, he gets it right about 20% of the time. Pretty damn good for an 11 year old…

Mr. Fusion says:

#54, Robby,

Keep going Paddy-O.

So another one that thinks the President may just abrogate a treaty and by extension, any law. Holy good phuk!!! Where do these retards come from?

The0ne says:

The hourly wage is the sum of all the costs/benefits and it IS a lot. It’s too damn much for a basic machine operator. Even if it’s $50/hr total its still too much. What’s so hard to understand about that. Company pays them that much and still wants to compete with the same pricing? Something has to give and it certainly isn’t going to be the UAW, nor the consumer.

Don’t pity GM and others because they are dying. They are dying because of valid logical reasons. If you like having a machine operator make much more than you, why don’t you lower your pay within our company to match that and see how that’s “fair.”