This is hilarious. Microsoft published this list, I guess, to shame the sites into getting fixed so as to use their latest browser. Not that being compatible with all other browsers except this one where — odd for MS — they changed the rules is all that bad, IMHO. And what do we find on that list? msn.com and other msn sites. For shame! The link has the full list.
In an effort to improve Web users’ compatibility experience, Microsoft added a new, user-selectable Compatibility List to the Release Candidate test version of IE 8 that the company released in January.
Microsoft describes the list — Version 1.0 of which includes 2,400 sites that don’t render properly in IE 8 (in other words, an “incompatibility list”) – as a tool designed to “make sure IE8 customers have a great experience with highly trafficked sites that have not yet fully accomodated IE8’s better implementation of web standards.”
@#18
/BTW, it takes a lot of fucking gall to parrot an apple advertising campaign then accuse me of drinking the fucking kool aid./
Informing users of all alternatives is a good thing and folks should choose what’s best for them. If you find that’s part of the ad’s messages then, great.
I hadn’t read the word fosstard before today … in your post. Was it grape or orange ??
Peace, Man
Darn! My website didn’t make the list!
I would say that if I were MS and my web site wouldn’t run on my browser I’d fire somebody most likely the people that made the web site but what this means in most cases is that you hit compatibilty mode and then it runs.
The real question is does Firefox and other browsers handle more web sites better and the answer seems to be yes.
I dislike M$ more than most, but I respect their right to churn out crap as fast as they can. Fact is, I kinda enjoy it. Whatever they do, it won’t affect me in any way.
I do get a kick out of the blog comments though, some folks defend M$ as if it were their kid sister’s virginity, while others attack it with brutal ferocity. It’s way to big to be dealt with so lets hope their crap is at least good enough to keep the industry from sinking, alot of people are depending on it, and not just the folks at Redmond. Think of all the web deigner hours required to adapt all those pages that don’t comply with the IE8 ‘standard’. Truth is a lot more people are working in the industry thanks to the fact that M$ grinds out such crappy products. If they worked well, thousands of technicians would be out of work.
The only reason I keep IE7 on my Vista-Ultimate system is because a few sites I frequent don’t play nice with Firefox. I’ll upgrade to IE8 when a majority of sites work with it.
I went to some of these sites in Firefox; they seemed to work fine. I’m going to assume that they would work in Safari and Opera too. If so, Microsoft really screwed IE8 up. Almost any other browser has better “standards compliance” than IE, yet most will still handle pages written to take advantage of some IE quirks. It seems like Mozilla, Opera, and Apple reverse engineered IE bugs and made better browsers than the original. If you aren’t a big believer in web standards, we’re still left with “Microsoft is breaking backwards compatibility with IE8, but other browsers have added features without breaking websites.” And no matter what your position, IE8 having problems on msn.com is just pathetic!
It’ll be interesting how stable their standards mode is. It just adds to the giant testing matrix that e-commerce folks are stuck with.
If you’ve ever had to suffer through various versions of 6.x problems then you know what I mean. On the plus side it’s better than Netscape Communicator.
#27,
Being in e-commerce, I will not worry about it either way. Is there anyone out there still developing their own web pages that way?
I am of the opinion that html and css are the assembly code and machine language of our time. In that, very few people actually write that bit of code anymore.
Thank you GregA, you’ve just given me an idea for a new product.
#20 – One of those rare cases where we agree.
The Linux crowd is geared to propellerheads that will start a holy war about some underlying piece of code, completely forgetting that the OS is a supporting player, not the end-all, be-all. To the end user “standards” mean doing a given task, the same way on all machines. End-users don’t care about what software they are using, but how they are using it and what they are using it for.
It’s like a web designers in a flame war about the “proper” use of some obscure CSS element, that completely forget that markup is only there in the first place to format content. If your site has no useful content, the “standards” debate is moot.
Misplaced priorities.
For god sake, Greg, go take your Prozac…