Republicans will screw unemployed rather than take stimulus funds

Published on February 23rd, 2009

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Barbour and Jindal

U.S. Republicans governors are split over whether to accept all of the money their states stand to receive from a $787 billion economic stimulus plan which President Barack Obama signed last week.

Three governors of southern states have come out against taking part of the money designated to extend unemployment benefits and perhaps for other programs. A handful of others are considering follow suit…

“There is some (stimulus money) we will not take in Mississippi. If we were to take the unemployment insurance reform package that they have, it would cause us to raise taxes on employment when the money runs out, and the money will run out in a couple of years,” said Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford and Louisiana’s Bobby Jindal, who has often been mentioned as a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2012, have also said they would reject the unemployment funds, which make up a small proportion of the overall package…

Later, speaking to reporters at a National Governors’ Association meeting in Washington, Sanford listed some other monies he did not want, possibly including $42 million for retrofitting state buildings to be more energy efficient.

Isn’t it great to see Republicans admit to being Republicans?

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# 1 orangetiki said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 am

more for the rest of us I guess…

# 2 Sloop John B said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:34 am

There is a clause in the stimulus package saying they can phase out the extension in 3 years. The EB can be totally paid for by the feds then phased out so it costs the state nothing.

Barbour is a liar. As usual.

# 3 bernardo said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 am

Ahnold stood up at the Republican governors conference and told Barbour and his fellow royalists that if they didn’t want the money he’d gladly ask to have it shipped to California. There is no shortage of unemployed there who’d be grateful for the assistance.

# 4 Mr Diesel said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 am

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# 5 moss said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 am

Haven’t checked the paper, this morning, but our state legislature is meeting right now – and I’ve heard there will be a bill submitted asking for funds declared excess because Republican governors don’t want them to go to unemployed in their states.

Unemployment here ain’t as bad as many other states. Doesn’t make folks out of a job feel any better. But, I guess that’s some of the difference between ideology and reality.

# 6 maxpower said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:39 am

“Isn’t it great to see Republicans admit to being Republicans?”

Yes – it is. I wish more would hold some conservative beliefs like this. It’s ironic that the Federal government was created by the States, and now the States kowtow to the Fed… Franklin, Jefferson, Adams all must be rolling in their graves…

# 7 bobbo said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 am

Yea, but the beauty part is the same unfunded unemployed ex-workers will still vote Repuglican because they don’t want to have to pay inheritance taxes because “its not fair.”

Hah, hah.

# 8 Mr Diesel said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 am

Wow! My first post removed due to anything which is funny since it used the same language as many other posters as well as my own.

Okay, so some of the governors don’t want to take the money due to all the strings attached. Not to worry though the b$tch governor (IMO) from Michigan will be more than happy to take the money after she screwed over her state (IMO).

# 9 . said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:57 am

The rich rules over the poor,
and the borrower is the slave of the lender.

# 10 Mr Diesel said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 am

#7 bobbo

Why would anyone in this day and age pay inheritance taxes anyway? Lots of ways to pass things along without it.

I paid all the taxes on my money when I earned it so why would I want my heirs to pay taxes on it again.

Easy to transfer real estate as well.

# 11 locomotivebreath1901 said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:13 am

Hmm. Odd headline.

Alternative:

Leftists Would Rather Demagogue Crisis & Screw Taxpayers Than Have 7.5% Unemployed Deal w/the Realities of Life.

This, too, shall pass.

# 12 dogday said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 am

Ever hear of the 10th Amendment? States should reject items the Feds try to push down with strings attached essentially making States less autonomous.

Jindal was just on CNN and said that when disagreeing with Obama’s plans he will offer other solutions.

There is no reason that everyone should be onboard with every idea coming out of Washington.

# 13 dogday said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 am

(*repost*)

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the National government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states and to the people.

# 14 Li said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 am

The unemployment, as it was measured back during Carter’s term, is approaching 18%. . .Remember, that the numbers we get don’t include temp workers and self employed real estate agents. Not many of them are working right now. . .And, of course, if you have two masters degrees and you are working 30hrs a week at Wendy’s, you don’t count either..

Basically the books are cooked. If you want a window on our economic situation, look at the Japanese, who are far more honest. They say that their economy crashed ~4% in -one quarter-.

# 15 smittybc said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 am

This is the most incredible story ever. Last week they told you to think that if the GOP were “honest” and not mean and evil like we all KNOW they are, they should not take any of the stimulus. Now they tell you that the GOP are “mean and evil” because they are out to screw the poor by refusing some of the money due to the strings that are attached. Do you see any inconsistencies with these arguments? Do you care? No you don’t, you enjoy getting played, like most on the left.

All this shows is that most on the left refuse to think. They just follow what media, professors, and other lefties tell them to think, because it feels better. Wall Street saw the Obama sham after Geitner spoke, now the Governors are examining the next Obama sham.

Here’s the real story, Obama was elected on “cutting the budget with a scalpel” and “going through the budget line by line on spending” and then he spends three years worth of deficits in his first month in office, with millions of dollars literally handwritten in on the document. So state government unions are happy but those that actually read the deal and have to clean up after the party are not. I know it’s painful to actually read the deals you sign, but being a grownup is sometimes difficult.

# 16 Robart said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 am

#9 said – “..and the borrower is the slave of the lender.”

Good point. Especially since we are borrowing all this money from CHINA!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.42a44b0f5d9cf5c9762e80574e79a3d5.831&show_article=1

Short term unemployment help = Long term enslavement. Maybe we should just reconsider this whole mammoth spending package all together.

# 17 AlgoreIsWorseThanHitler said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 am

Hmmm, it’s bad that the Republicans want to “screw” the unemployed, but it’s OK that the Obama/Pelosi/Reed Axis of Evil is trying to screw all US taxpayers.

# 18 moss said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 am

“Let ‘em eat cake”. The best original Republican motto returns.

# 19 Mr. Fusion said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 am

#15, smitty,

So what is your point?

If someone that knows a thing or two, like, oh say, a University Professor, we should just ignore that? Or that Obama shouldn’t have done anything because Bush and the Republicans didn’t leave the worse depression since the Great Depression? Or that Wall Street not only had nothing to do with the economic crash but are also above taking any government money? That some GOP Congressmen and Senators that voted against the Stimulus Bill are not taking credit for it?

Geeze, I don’t get it. What the eff is your point?

# 20 smittybc said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 am

#19
The point is that media and academia (excluding hard sciences, math, biology, et al) and the left (I know redundant to say) strive to brainwash based on ideological lines rather than their primary purpose which is to clarify the world at large. You get a myopic and third grade level of understanding the world to the degree that you can say literally contradictory things from one week to the next and nobody notices. It’s just another argument for another week and another ratings period, but it doesn’t help anyone that is consuming it.

So what should be demanded is that these entities stick to their original purpose which is to explain and clarify the world and events, rather than attempt to transform the world (politically) along ideological lines or its left wing (or even right wing) values.

# 21 cfikes said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:02 am

I wonder if this “stimulus” package is a good idea. Yeah it is hard times, but hasn’t every generation had a “hard times”? If we truly believe that capitalism works, then we need to let it work. Interference form the government will only delay the blow to the avg American for so long. It will still will happen. I say, don’t dump money we do not have into fixing a problem that is caused by not having money. Makes no sense. And for those “Just Print More Money” people, the dollar is already weak, lets not drive its value into the ground. Don’t buy what you can’t afford. Save money. Don’t be greedy. This will all pass in due time.

# 22 Dallas said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:10 am

More political masturbation from the Republican speed bumps in congress. How much do these fat asses make to do nothing?

# 23 Improbus said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:14 am

Where were you “conservatives” when Bush was sending us into the ground in Iraq and stealing our liberty? Hypocrites! I used to be a Republican. I didn’t leave the party. It left me.

# 24 grog said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 am

all three states receive more money in federal spending than they pay in taxes, so they should shut the hell up.

and, unlike all you armchair loudmouths, i will cheerfully provide documentation…

For every dollar of federal tax collected in 2005, Louisiana citizens received approximately $1.78 in the way of federal spending. link

Per dollar of federal tax collected in 2005, South Carolina citizens received approximately $1.35 in the way of federal spending. This ranks the state 16th highest nationally link

Per dollar of federal tax collected in 2004, Mississippi citizens received approximately $2.02 in the way of federal spending. This ranks the state 2nd highest nationally
link

compare that with a typical blue state, say new york

Per dollar of Federal tax collected in 2005, New York citizens received approximately $0.79 in the way of federal spending. This ranks the state 42nd lowest nationally and represents a decline from 1995.
link

# 25 grog said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 am

p.s. so until they return the difference, could you please put a muzzle on your gop blowhards?

thanks

# 26 Paddy-O said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 am

# 24 grog said, “all three states receive more money in federal spending than they pay in taxes, so they should shut the hell up.”

Cool, so you should have NO problem with them not wanting more. Why are you so upset that they want to do better and take less from taxpayers in other states?

# 27 Mr Diesel said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 am

#23 Improbus

I was screaming at anyone who would listen. Don’t equate Conservative with Republican. I sure as hell didn’t support a lot of the sh$t
Bush did. I did support the war.

I don’t support warrantless searches or the Patriot Act and I sure as hell don’t support giving the scum at ATT a pass on illegal activities. Just like Nazis, “I was only following orders” crap.

# 28 grog said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:47 am

#26
c’mon paddy, you gotta know i don’t care if they take it or not — i think they should — but for a governor of junkie state standing there like an asshole pretending to not want federal funds is laughable to me.

the only thing more laughable to me is how the gop-faithful think they’re so awesome.

# 29 grog said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am

#26

sorry didn’t really answer your question there — my bad

Cool, so you should have NO problem with them not wanting more.
if they really don’t want it (i think i’ve proven that’s not true), then fine, whatever, let someone else have it.

Why are you so upset that they want to do better and take less from taxpayers in other states?

if that was their true motivation, i certainly would applaud them for it, and if they had a track record of doing such things i might be able to take their actions at face value, but you and i both know that this is a political stunt, nothing more. their history of accepting money and the numbers they accept back me up.

# 30 grog said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 11:58 am

for the record, i don’t think republicans want to screw the unemployed, they think it would be better to try to create more jobs by providing tax relief to businesses.

i think tax cuts are great too, but i think my esteemed conservative friends are a bit naive in perceiving them to be such a panacea.

# 31 Paddy-O said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm

# 28 grog said, “c’mon paddy, you gotta know i don’t care if they take it or not”

The # and tenor of your posts on this thread belie your claim.

# 32 dumbassliberals said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Smart Governors. Taking this portion of money would force states to broaden who gets this benefit in future years making it a new mandatory entitlement without any additional federal dollars to support it. Only dumbasses that dont work and/or pay taxes would agree to this. At least we have a couple of smart governors…

# 33 Alex said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Yeah I have to say this shouldn’t be seen as a landmark or example of good Republican ethos or anything.

They’re still taking bail out money, just specifically nothing for unemployment appropriations. So they’re not saying “We don’t believe in the bailout/stimulus/porkulus (pick whatever term you want) so we’re not taking a dime”, they’re saying “Well as long as you’re offering free money, we’ll take all of this but not this specific bit that’s meant to help the poor folk that are out of work. Fuck them.”

It’s petty, and kind of viciously cruel. I suppose it is “Republican” in that the right has been pretty anti-wellfare for the past, well, ever. But still – low blow, man. Low blow.

I’m with the Governator – send that shit to California, where they need it.

# 34 Mr Diesel said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm

#33 Alex

Yeah, fuck the poor out of work. Nice way to look at it but you’d be wrong. They don’t want to accept the money for unemployment benefits since it would turn into an unfunded federal mandate in a couple three years then the state would be on the hook for it.

I would send a dime to Kalifornia until they do something to resolve their own damn problem which, through their liberal policies they have brought upon themselves. Boo hoo, too damn bad for them.

# 35 Flip Wilson said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm

Got to love Jindal. Born Again, UFO see-ing, God speaking-to-me, anti-immigrant, Creationist believer, homophobe, abstinence preaching .. need I go on?

Nice to see he stands up to his values, sad that he wants to impose them on everybody in his state and beyond.

Thank you Jesus for this insufferable prick.

# 36 Flip Wilson said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm

dumbassliberals — # 32

Do you actually read or just listen to Rush and vomit up his regurgitation?

Totally false assertion. There’s no mandate for states to continue to do ANYTHING should they accept funding.

Novel idea — try READING the ACTUAL text for the funding … get educated then comment.

# 37 Guyver said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

In Jindal’s words: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=283773&widget=1

# 38 Guyver said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Sorry, try this instead: http://tinyurl.com/c3v2xc

# 39 Paddy-O said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

For those who are posting and have, of course, read the law in question…

‘‘(1) is entitled to receive unemployment insurance as a
result of the establishment by the worker of a new benefit year under State law, based in whole or in part upon part time or short-term employment in which the worker engaged after the worker’s most recent total separation from adversely affected employment;”

# 40 dogday said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 1:15 pm

When will any of you partisan suck-ups realize that the Government is a single monster with two heads? One head looks like an Elephant and the other a Donkey.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of the other party solves NOTHING!

# 41 LibertyLover said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm

#40, Agreed.

And while people are arguing about the money, they have forgotten it shouldn’t have been approved in the first place.

Yep, that Obama sure is smart, keeping people’s minds off the real problem.

# 42 RS said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

This blame game between parties is the biggest con of them all. There is only one fundemental problem, and it is that the Federal Government, and Wall Street money fabricators (two heads, same people), are too big, and have too much power, which only leads to more and more corruption.

# 43 Ivor Biggun said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm

LORD God Obama has declared that any governor who refuses the heaven-sent stimulus funding is hereby a heretic and a racist. What the LORD hath given, the people must receive so they may worship LORD Obama for the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent deity that he is.

# 44 smartalix said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm

43,

That has got to be one of the stupidest things I have read today. Say something about what you find bad in the law, say something about why the govenors are justified in their position (personally, I think they are idiotic hypocritical assholes, but that’s me), or anything els that actuall,y provides intelligent feedback.

This pathetic attempt at humor is not only a ridiculous hyperbolic screed attempting to reinforce the straw-man argument of Obama the celebrity, it says nothing of substance.

A more intelligent jibe would somehow tie in your issues with the bill. Something like, “so the GREAT and GRAND states of Bumf*ck and A$$land refuse federal funds, I guess they must have had a bumper crop of crystal meth this year”.

# 45 smartalix said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm

..and to bring race into this is below reprehensible. Dickhead.

# 46 grog said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm

@paddy-o

# 28 grog said, “c’mon paddy, you gotta know i don’t care if they take it or not”

The # and tenor of your posts on this thread belie your claim.

great way to avoid addressing the contents of my post. FAIL

# 47 AlgoreIsWorseThanHitler said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm

#43 – I don’t think Barry thinks he’s God. He does think he the Kwisatz Haderach though.

# 48 Paddy-O said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm

# 46 grog said, “great way to avoid addressing the contents of my post.”

I see you’re back posting on a thread that you don’t care about. ROFL!

# 49 Richardbt said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 4:24 pm

#7 – What is so fair about inheritance tax?

# 50 Mr. Fusion said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 4:58 pm

#20, smitty,

The point is that media and academia (excluding hard sciences, math, biology, et al) and the left (I know redundant to say) strive to brainwash based on ideological lines rather than their primary purpose which is to clarify the world at large.

Yet, in your undying wisdom of truth, justice, and the wing-nut way have made even the mud seem clear to all those who have drank the right wing kool-aid and are totally above baffling with bullshit to, in effect, say nothing at all except through in a dig at a part of the political spectrum you happen to disagree with, by all indications, quite verbosely.

You get a myopic and third grade level of understanding the world to the degree that you can say literally contradictory things from one week to the next and nobody notices.

Such as working with the Democrats to craft a bill, then voting against it, then taking credit for it?

So allow me to ask again, what the eff are you talking about?

Why not try again when you learn how to talk like an adult.

# 51 Mr. Fusion said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm

#48, Cow-Patty,

I see you’re back posting on a thread that you don’t care about. ROFL!

And the rest of us see you are still trolling.

You are such an effen tool. And that is NOT a compliment.

# 52 Mr. Fusion said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm

#49, Richard,

#7 – What is so fair about inheritance tax?

Because it introduces so many inheritors to the wonderful world of paying taxes for the first time in their pampered lives.

# 53 jbenson2 said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm

And the State of Washington began spending their Job Creation stimulus money by sending out $1 checks to 250,000 food stamp recipients.

http://bit.ly/NVh75

# 54 grog said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

# 46 grog said, “great way to avoid addressing the contents of my post.”

I see you’re back posting on a thread that you don’t care about. ROFL

and i see you still haven’t addressed the fact that republican governors listed above take in more federal money than they pay into the system and that makes their political stunt laughably transparent and kinda cynical.

but you can continue to make this about me if that’s all you can do.

you used to be more fun.

# 55 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 pm

To all republicans,

If you’re real about your party and don’t want that extra money Obama singed bill, Please deposit the money in my paypal account.

# 56 Paddy-O said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 pm

# 51 Mr. Fusion said, “You are such an effen tool. ”

Being owned so often is making you testy.

# 57 Paddy-O said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 7:21 pm

# 54 grog said, “and i see you still haven’t addressed the fact that republican governors listed above take in more federal money than they pay ”

Umm, I addressed it on post #26. Read much?

# 58 MikeN said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm

I’d love for state governors to ignore the stimulus package with regards to its rollback of welfare reform.

# 59 brm said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

#52:

The inheritance tax makes upward mobility difficult. There’s nothing wrong with a family accumulating wealth over generations – the first couple of generations laboring and saving so that the grandchildren can go to college – this is a natural and healthy process.

The inheritance tax resets every generation to zero, and forces people to rely on gov’t handouts for things like college tuition. There is some sick attitude taking hold here that equates inheritance with cheating.

# 60 bobbo said, on February 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 pm

#59–brm==thats funny. Are you that stupid, uninformed, twisted, indoctrinated or what?

College Tuition in the main is paid by parents/the kiddies during their life times—has absolutely nothing to do with inheritance tax.

The initial estate exemption from the tax is currently 3.5 million. Even if you plan on sending your kiddies to college after you die, you still have to leave more than 3.5 million before the tax even applies.

That is “back to nothing” in your book? Wow. Must be nice to be that insanely rich, or stupid.

# 61 Paddy-O said, on February 24th, 2009 at 6:05 am

# 60 bobbo said, “College Tuition in the main is paid by parents/the kiddies during their life times”

Right, because the inheritance tax took the grandparents and great grand parents money. Thanks for proving the point.

# 62 Alfred1 said, on February 24th, 2009 at 6:42 am

Shocking how gullible Obamadules are, uncritically accepting media reports about Republicans…

Anyone not one with the Obama…will be misrepresented…

Gov Jindal actually read the bill, and it requires permanent changes to the way his state calculates who gets a check…therefore, to avoid raising taxes upon employers when the temporary money ceases flowing—which would result in less new businesses opening in his state, he won’t take the temporary payments now.

His is the “long view”, the sound critically based view, hence “antiObama view” that must be disparaged…its an affront to “our Leader.”

Just as the Bush deficits didn’t stimulate the economy, neither will Obama’s…reality proved that proposition already…to anyone who was watching.

# 63 Bud said, on February 24th, 2009 at 7:42 am

Eideard’s statement illustrates the utter ignorance of how our nation is supposed to work. (No, that’s not a personal attack, I chose the word ‘ignorance’ because it is accurate in meaning ‘not knowing’.)
It is not Federal America, it is the United State of America. Each of those states has certain sovereign rights and rightly so as what works in one state may *not* work in another.
Broad brush head lines don’t work any better than broad brush solutions and many of us choose not to be involved with either.

# 64 Billy Bob said, on February 24th, 2009 at 7:57 am

I find it amusing that Eideard regards not receiving a handout as being “screwed” and that they didn’t want to get stuck with an unfunded mandate to continue the support in future years.

1/3 of Rome was on government support when the republic collapsed and Caesar came to power. I read recently that 20% of Los Angeles County is now on government dole. We’re getting there.

# 65 bobbo said, on February 24th, 2009 at 7:59 am

#61–Paddy Zero==”the point” is that the inheritance tax does NOT take “all the grandparents money.”

Where do you and brm get off lying like that? Are you becoming LIEBERTARIANS?

# 66 Paddy-O said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:02 am

# 64 Billy Bob said, “I read recently that 20% of Los Angeles County is now on government dole. We’re getting there.”

Higher than that when you consider that the illegal’s kids go to school at $5K+ each and the parents generate a tiny fraction of that in tax revenue. Also, hospitals closing because they are BKing due to the crush of 3rd world people they have to treat for free because of psycho laws.

# 67 Paddy-O said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:05 am

# 65 bobbo said, ”the point” is that the inheritance tax does NOT take “all the grandparents money.”

It takes a huge chunk. I’ve been on the Executor side of this with my grandparents. Truly disgusting. Taxed his whole life on his income and what he saved after taxes was heavily taxed again.

# 68 bobbo said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:14 am

#67–Paddy-O==confused again but at least this time its somewhat understandable. When your grandparents died, they couldn’t use the money anymore===THEY DIDN’T CARE!!! No, what you are really reacting to is the kiddies desiring a shit load of money they have no right to, just a personal expectation.

Anybody complaining about inheritance tax is just a greedy self absorbed little shit head.

But we knew that already.

# 69 Paddy-O said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:15 am

#68 Yes, anyone who thinks like Jefferson or the other Founding fathers is a “greedy self absorbed little shit head”.

Got it. ROFL!

# 70 bobbo said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:20 am

#69–Paddy Zero==yes, when it came to money, most of our Founding Fathers were greedy little self absorbed shit heads. Their hypocrisy remains truly astounding. Declaring the natural freedom of man while keeping slaves.

Whats your point- — really?

HAH==excuse me. Nevermind. Forgot who I was talking to.

# 71 Paddy-O said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:23 am

# 70 bobbo said, “yes, when it came to money, most of our Founding Fathers were greedy little self absorbed shit heads.”

Actually, they knew how to set a gov’t and economy that would create the largest, most free society on Earth. Something you don’t have a clue how to maintain. Get back to us when you obtain an education.

# 72 bobbo said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:38 am

Zero==slavery.

# 73 Mr. Fusion said, on February 24th, 2009 at 8:58 am

#70, Bobbo,

HAH==excuse me. Nevermind. Forgot who I was talking to.

Feel free to bang your head against the wall. In fact, the wall will give you a more intelligent reply.

# 74 Mr. Fusion said, on February 24th, 2009 at 9:00 am

#64, billyboob,

1/3 of Rome was on government support when the republic collapsed and Caesar came to power.

What a stooopid comment. You really have no idea of Roman history or culture.

# 75 Mr. Fusion said, on February 24th, 2009 at 9:11 am

#63, bud,

Another one that failed Civics class in school.

The United States of America was formed out of 13 colonies that joined together for mutual defense and economy. The individual colonies reserved some of the power for themselves and the rest was passed to the new central or Federal Government.

Throughout our history but mostly over the past 110 years, the Federal Government has shaped us into what we are today. Many powers that still reside with the States have conformed to Federal goals through suasion. Others have had the power of Constitutional law to change things.

When the nation is facing a national crises, the whole nation is much better off responding as one than with some patchwork solution of ideologue pandering. Unemployment Insurance is there to assist those who have lost their jobs. For certain States to now start saying “we will treat out citizens as the useless pieces of dirt the scumbags are” is not helping anyone or the solution. Those who have lost their jobs because the mismanagement of the past eight years came crashing down deserve more than such guttersnipe attacks from their State leaders.

# 76 grog said, on February 24th, 2009 at 10:51 am

#57 Paddy-O
Umm, I addressed it on post #26. Read much?
Cool, so you should have NO problem with them not wanting more. Why are you so upset that they want to do better and take less from taxpayers in other states?

sorry, i kind of assumed that to qualify as addressing something, one would need to voice and opinion using declarative sentences.

but since you can’t simply speak your mind, i’ll assume that what you meant to say was “i think they’re doing good thing by refusing the money, even in light of your point about their current intake of federal funds.”

and if they actually said that, we’d be cool. but alas, you’re just making shit up.

# 77 Paddy-O said, on February 24th, 2009 at 11:01 am

# 76 grog said, “sorry, i kind of assumed that to qualify as addressing something, one would need to voice and opinion using declarative sentences.”

Well, you were wrong.

It seems that you are upset that those states take too much, then you were upset they didn’t want to take more. That is psychotic.

# 78 Ivor Biggun said, on February 24th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

There is intelligent debate here? HAH! That’s the biggest joke I’VE read….

# 79 Alfred1 said, on February 25th, 2009 at 11:05 am

Critical thinkers notice the absence of a post detailing how DEMOCRATS are “screwing” the unemployed when Governor Phil Bredsen (D-Tennesee) PARROTS the same thing Gov Jindal said…

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