“Fix our fiat currency economy and and the corrupt bankers (financiers) so they aren’t sucking up $ as parasites and the private sector does the rest.”

Ignoring the fiat currency issue, which is debatable both ways I think…

You do realize your second point (corrupt bankers) is essentially saying:

1) “We need to fix the fundamental nature of humanity (such as to eliminate corruption)”

and…

2) These corrupt bankers exist specifically because the free market private sector is specifically created to *grow* these corrupt bankers.

I heard a great analogy today which I’ll paraphrase. If we accept the free market laws of economics as, in fact, laws and not just theories/wishful thinking, then economics essentially becomes a natural act. And so allowing the free market to decimate the economic landscape is not unlike simply sitting back with your arms crossed while the rivers flood and destroy everything and everyone around you simply because you happen to live on a hill and building a dam would take too much time and money.

Now this kind of social darwinism as a philosophy is fine if you accept it, but call it what it is. I for one think we as a species and a society can and in fact should go beyond Darwinian concepts of survival of the fittest.

It was written when FDR failed after 8 years of stimulus spending to create jobs and end the depression.

However, Omama seems to want to do the same thing but expects a different result. Insanity, by definition…

great post..to put your words into a cvouple of great cartoon..
http://nypost.com/postopinion/ramirez/2009/02/02112009.jpg

http://nypost.com/postopinion/ramirez/2009/02/02102009.jpg

for humour to work, it has to be rooted in truth.

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and for the freeloaders in the forum, we have

http://obamafreemoney.org/Obama_Other_Grants.html

get yer grants before Soros does..

-s

There is no civilized debate anymore, there is nothing more than the repeated screamings of talking points over and over, with nobody ever interested in possibly changing their mind or opinion for fear of being ‘wrong’ or ‘weak’ in their original stances. It’s near impossible to engage someone with an opposing viewpoint on nearly anything nowadays (sports, politics, religion) without one side or the other devolving into a bubbling mass of shit.

It’s unfortunate that things have turned out this way, but when you have people on talk radio so profanely ripping one side or the other, and essentially telling their listeners that if they think differently, they’re somehow bad people, then you end up where we are today.

Too bad.

This really seems to have happened in the last decade, and especially seems to have fostered in the right wing (though lefties are just as guilty). Folks like Rush and O’Reilly are particularly nasty and confrontational with those who don’t share their viewpoints, and got drunk with power with 8 years of unfettered Republican leadership.

Now, the tables have turned, and these same folks are now slamming the Pres on everything (after years of saying how criticism of President Bush was off limits), and you have folks on the left every bit as frothy in their defense of Obama as they were in their attacks on Bush.

I just wish people could once again engage in civilized debate, actually learn enough about the topics being debated to hold a conversation that is deeper than ‘Obama sucks!’ or ‘Pelosi is a druggie!’ Those types of comments scream ignorance, as obviously Pelosi is not a druggie and Obama is way too new at his job to have anything resembling a fair assessment at this point.

It’s comical to see people so adamantly defending people who, if they saw on the street, wouldn’t even give them the time of day. Just admit your government, whether its Repubs or Dems, only want your money and couldn’t possibly care less about you and you’ll feel much better.

Jobs are created by the private sector and involve people WILLING spending money on products. NOT by the gov’t robbing people to pay people to dig holes and refill them. FDR tried it for 8 years and it all came to nothing.

It seems you aren’t much of an economist. Where is it written that ONLY the private sector can create jobs? I guess that all those policemen, teachers, military, food inspectors, IRS agents and whomever else are really unemployed.

Where are these holes FDR paid people to dig? Oopps, I missed that episode of Rush.

What do you think about this?

It’s time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service.

Here’s how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They’ll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we’re hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities’ most pressing needs.

http://tinyurl.com/59vqxs

You are property of the Obama Nation
http://dodd.senate.gov/?q=node/4796

O’Bastard has broken his promises,
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE51O3TB20090225?sp=true

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19303.html

What is pathetic POS, you fail to hold Obama to the same standards as Bush. The Left Right paradigm is an illusion which you’ve apparently purchased.

Pelosi is a druggie. During one of bush’s speeches she was constantly licking her lips and smacking like she had cotton mouth. I don’t know what she was on last night but I hope her f’ing legs are good and sore today! What a clown! She was just embarrassing.
What about the beginning, do these idiots think they are coming into a football stadium? Goons!

No real problems with his speech, same ol’ shit mostly. Blah-de-blah-de-blah!

All these congressmen and senators having him sign their programs, childish and moronic. How many are on e-bay by now?

Hi! I’m Mr. Jindal and welcome to my neighborhood! I’m going to change sweaters and read you a story about how we f’ed up the country, make you think we are going to change but really aren’t and screw you in the a-hole again! Won’t YOU be my neighbor?

i think the best part was near the end when Biden started giveing Pelosi (who looked like she took a few tabs of PermaGrin) dirty looks because she would stay the F in her chair..

i counted 26 standing ovations *in the last 20min or so alone..(starting from about
9:35-40pm)

-just about nullifies the significance the standing “O” for life..throw it in the garbage with the noble prize..means nothing now.

as for the Messiah..someone needs to tell him the campaign [mode] is over..he said NOTHING, and done NOTHING to warrant such praise.

interesting note: notice how “small” he looked
on the tv screen? -this definitely was not a hollywood-oprah-cabal production number like most all his previous “appearances” -or was it?

this guy will amount to nothing more than one big long, highly produced, subliminal “government is cool” [and knows best] commercial.

pity the brainwashed masses that wake up only after they notice it’s fools gold starting to flake off their gilded lead cages.

-s

Fix our fiat currency economy and and the corrupt bankers (financiers) so they aren’t sucking up $ as parasites and the private sector does the rest.

Then how *do* you grow an economy if not by creating jobs that create other jobs needed to maintain those jobs?

Sadly I don’t think that day will ever come because there are just too many stupid people that think Congress can spend all our money on every little thing.

You mean like France helping us during the Revolution and subsequently going bankrupt? It apparently did France quite a bit of good in the long run.

#61
Clearly you are not claiming that the rich did better *because* of higher taxes during the Clinton administration. They rich did better during that period because the economy boomed (thank you Internet). Higher taxes for the rich probably won’t hurt the current economy any more than it already has but do not expect it to help either.

Regarding Obama’s speech, I liked what he had to say but am reserving judgment until I see the actual implementation of those solutions. On most of the general topics, both sides agree that something needs to be done. It is the actual implementation on which they disagree.