The U.N.’s Push To Criminalize Criticizing Religion

By Friday February 27, 2009

Isn’t this the sort of thing the Taliban kills people over? We sure want to be like them, don’t we?



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  1. fpp2002 says:
    2/27/2009 at 4:43 pm

    #57 “The guys in charge were militant atheist’s. Too bad you lack anything resembling an education.”

    That would be “militant atheists”. Seems you are the one lacking an education.

    And your argument that millions of people died because of atheists is like saying millions of people died because of left-handers. There’s no causal link, and your argument fails. Try again.

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  2. Paddy-O says:
    2/27/2009 at 5:03 pm

    # 58 Jezcoe said, “Paddy-O, I find your reasoning a little dubious that it was atheism that caused the tragic killings you are talking about.”

    And I find it dubious when someone says that “religion” caused killings. Ultimately, people kill…

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  3. John Paradox says:
    2/27/2009 at 5:23 pm

    Oh, Paddy.
    Also for those who have said that the Abrahamic religions have led to killing only by those who ‘misunderstand’:

    2 Kings 2:23-25 (King James Version)

    23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

    24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

    25And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.

    Thanks to Robert A. Heinlein (Stranger in a Strange Land for the reference)

    J/P=?

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  4. Guy Fawkes says:
    2/27/2009 at 5:48 pm

    Cursor, if people were robots you would be right, but they aren’t so you are wrong. the seven sins of man can be seen in many species all over the world. They aren’t perceived, they are instinct. They are entwined in our DNA. they will only become recessed as we evolve and education and practice helps us lose the need for them to be present. Close the book and venture out into the real world, you WILL be amazed!
    #13, you are right! And racism will be with us as long as there is mankind. Everyone could look the same, but someone will find something that is different about you and hate you for it. It’s inescapable.
    #62 Atheism is considered a religion and people kill for a reason whether it’s the mob mentality of a religious campaign or part of their own malformed mentality. The only reason any religion is successful is because people are prepared to follow it. Sheeple as bobbo so eloquently puts it. That comes from laziness, it’s much easier to follow than it is to lead.

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  5. Gary, the dangerous infidel says:
    2/27/2009 at 6:09 pm

    LOL – #63 Mr. Paradox, I’d bet that not one Christian in a hundred has heard that story. Pastors preaching sermons showing their own god’s true demonic nature don’t really fill the pews on a Sunday morning, and truth should never be allowed to get in the way of a good commercial enterprise.

    The prophet and sorcerer Elisha had all the flair of the great Voldemort, but much less humanity and charm. He and his god were in a particularly foul mood that day, and those children picked the wrong prophet to taunt.

    Can you say “mauled by bears,” boys and girls?

    Good story, John. I’ll come back for more when I stop having night terrors over this one ;-)

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  6. TThor says:
    2/27/2009 at 7:13 pm

    Sensorship is here! Try to see this clip on YouTube and this is what you get:

    “This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube’s user community. To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up.”

    BTW Norway was inches away from passing the blasphemy law a couple of weeks back, when it dawned upon media what was going on. A public outcry and the marginal political group trying to sneak the law in had to give it up. But is was a close call!

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  7. Cursor_ says:
    2/27/2009 at 7:37 pm

    I am not a christian, nor jew, nor muslim. But wow people I wish you all would stop saying that christians, jews and muslims act like animals because of their religion.

    Anyone with half a brain that read their books could tell you that these animals that terrorise others are NOT adherents to their proclaimed faiths. They are wolves in sheep clothing.

    Now Guy (#64). There are NO seven deadly sins. That’s catholic nonsense. In scriptural there are hundreds of sins and ALL are deadly. Sin = Death.

    It is NOT in the dna of a human to be a monster nor to be a saint. Nurture turns people into monsters not nature. No one is born a thief or a murderer or a rapist. Just as no one is born a sharing, caring loving person.

    We must LEARN those things.

    Emotions are constructs of the mind based on our reactions and the reactions of others in our social groups from external factors. If you raised a child in a family where the construct of love meant control and abuse, then that child will grow up to be that way as well without some form of intervention from another social group.

    I know this to be true. He was my father. He was the product of 3 previous generations of abusive and anti-social upbringing. His father molested every one of his 15 children, male or female. He did this not for sex, but control. To instill control, as his father had and the father before.

    I lived the consequences of nurture from a bad group. It was not dna that made my father the way he was. It was the bond of a parent being broken due to sociopathic behaviour.

    I have been in the world thank you kindly. I had many years of abnormal psych on the job training. Humans do not possess instinct nor racial memory. Humans must learn everything and it is because of that they can more quickly adapt than any other creature on the planet.

    Also Guy, maybe you didn’t get the memo. There is only one race of humans on this planet. And we are all in it. Racism is a lie. Another muddled construct of a human mind trying to convince itself that if people are different I don’t HAVE to feel guilty when I kill them. It is another learned sociopathic ideal.

    Cursor_

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  8. bobbo says:
    2/27/2009 at 7:48 pm

    #67–cursor==every year that goes by shows more and more complex behavior in man and nature to have more genetics involved than initially thought. Are we so “neutral” and “everything is learned?” I don’t think so.

    “No one is born a thief or a murderer or a rapist. Just as no one is born a sharing, caring loving person.” /// I think just the opposite. Maybe not everyone==but some or even most? If you could raise a human being all alone and at age 18 put that person in a room with a baby, would that person eat it, or raise/nurture it? Why does this hypothetical sound impossible–we know that people need people, thats not learned either.

    Probably much of the reason you overcame your family circumstances is because of your genetics. Same if your siblings succumbed.

    Everything we do is NOT learned. There is luck, chance, circumstances in all that we are. Most of us have to overcome some part of our early learning to ever becoming who we “truly are.” Lucky when we do, always helpful to have someone around to help us learn how to do it.

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  9. Misanthropic Scott says:
    2/27/2009 at 7:48 pm

    #54 – Jezcoe,

    I heard that from a lecturer at the New York Academy of Sciences. I’ll keep searching for a better reference. However, this suggests that what I state is likely. It just doesn’t make as strong an assertion. I’ll search more tomorrow.

    http://tinyurl.com/aaeedv

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  10. bobbo says:
    2/27/2009 at 8:03 pm

    I thought the resolution at issue was a voluntary one in that whoever passed it at the UN asked for member nations to voluntarily commit themselves to it? That sounds like the highest form of democracy and freedom possible.

    On a related issue, I wonder just what the “membership” requirements to be part of the UN are? What are the benefits? The consequences of not joining? Is providing a forum for any nation to address other countries a valuable thing in itself or should we begin dividing the world up into us/them? How could the UN advance any moral issue at all if USA, Russia, China, Korea, Sudan etc are all members. I think the UN could do valuable things without the Sudan in it, but not without the big 8?

    Voluntary cooperation. Interesting concept.

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  11. x says:
    2/27/2009 at 10:00 pm

    When I play the Lou Dobbs video, there is a red rectangular insert covering the CNN logo which now contains defamatory language. Someone has hacked the video. Just a heads up to avoid problems!

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  12. Lou says:
    2/28/2009 at 1:52 am

    The UN is a joke at this point.

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  13. Lou says:
    2/28/2009 at 2:04 am

    #71 Best hack I’ve seen in a long time.

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  14. Nimby says:
    2/28/2009 at 3:05 am

    Stormcoder: I do not disagree with your premise but, to be accurate, Buddhism is a philosophy NOT a religion. That said, it has become contaminated (especially by Hindu influences in SE Asia) and is often TREATED as a religion. Monks are not priests they are teachers/academics. Or more often, freeloaders – but that’s for a different thread.

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  15. Paddy-O says:
    2/28/2009 at 5:25 am

    # 74 Nimby said, “I do not disagree with your premise but, to be accurate, Buddhism is a philosophy NOT a religion.”

    Actually, it is a religious philosophy. It deals with the spiritual nature of man.

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  16. soundwash says:
    2/28/2009 at 7:55 am

    /random pre-coffee thoughts..

    business as usual

    -i gather this is just a small taste of the
    what the new New World Order/Globalists will bring to your table..

    (same as the old world order, tbh)

    sounds like the Powers That Be want to make sure humanity remains supremely divided at all costs.

    -nothing has the ability to divide people faster than religion.

    i think now more than ever, there lies the potential for much of the globe at large to unite under one cause. (due in no small
    part, -to the internet)

    this is obviously a very dangerous thing to those who gaze from the top of the pyramid.

    i can think of no better way to permanently divide humanity than to make such a law “global”

    those that wish to govern the globe are moving at light speed on many fronts

    some pretty dark irony that this comes from a body called the “United” Nations..

    but then the UN was backed in part, by the
    Rockefellers, so i guess this is all “part of the plan”

    this is some pretty dangerous stuff.

    add to that, this dangerous internet bill in the House masquerading as another “save the children bill”

    HR 1076:

    http://govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1076

    -its quite obvious the internet is in the bullseye of the NWO…an informed public is
    a government’s worst enemy..

    -s

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  17. Timuchin says:
    2/28/2009 at 9:08 am

    Secular Humanism is still a religion in the U.S. of A. See Torcaso vs. Watkins. This has never been contradicted by any subsequent Supreme Court ruling.

    The Humanists pretend this aint so, so they can use their phony “separation of religion from state” ruling. Every time the Humanist domination of the government schools is challenged, they use a Humanist judge to decide for “political correctness.”

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  18. QB says:
    2/28/2009 at 9:20 am

    #77 Justice Black declaring secular humanism to be a religion in one dicta does not make it so – this is an “appeal to authority” argument that is pretty weak at best. In the US people like yourself try to argue that atheism is a religion – hence your confusion over religious freedom.

    I’m all for religious freedom and expression of faith. It’s necessary in a free society. When people with our point of view try to narrow the concept of religious freedom then it threatens a free society.

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  19. Timuchin says:
    2/28/2009 at 9:45 am

    #78, It was on the basis of Secular Humanism being a religion and the freedom of religion that there was the right to conscientious objection exemption from being drafted into the Viet Nam war. So it was foundational to the decision.

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  20. QB says:
    2/28/2009 at 9:45 am

    Oops, meant “your point of view” in last paragraph. I’m not the Buddha or the Pope. ;-)

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