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Now that Obama wants to close Gitmo, how long will this trial take?
Five men charged in the Sept. 11 attacks mock U.S. authorities and proclaim themselves “terrorists to the bone” in a war crimes court filing released Tuesday.
The five Guantanamo prisoners use the six-page document to try to justify the killing of nearly 3,000 people, portraying the attack as a response to U.S. actions in Israel, Iraq and elsewhere that is supported by their Muslim faith.
All five were charged with murder and other crimes at the Guantanamo war crimes court, which was suspended by President Barack Obama in January while his administration considers new strategies for prosecuting terrorists.
They criticize the U.S. for fighting “from behind roadblocks, trenches and warplanes” rather than face-to-face and describe Islam as “a religion of fear” for Jews, Christians and pagans.
Obama has ordered the closure of Guantanamo, so if and when the trials resume, they will be held somewhere else and most likely under a different legal system than the widely criticized military commissions created by Congress and President George W. Bush.
If they want to plead guilty, why not let them?
Give em to me. I’ve got a box cutter. We will see if they are really “terrorists to the bone”.
Let them be suicide bombers. We can drop them off in the middle of some Nevada salt flats so they can blow themselves up with out anyone getting hurt.
Proof that Obama doesn’t want to fight terrorism but promote his own ideology.
The first three replies to this post (not to mention the post itself) are startling for their simpleminded clueless view.
First, the reason that Obama sought to halt the tribunals at Gitmo (which as CiC is his explicit prerogative) was because these proceedings are widely (and correctly) viewed around the world as utterly illegitimate extralegal crocks of poo that puts the US in the same boat as other lawless regimes.
Second, the very reason that these men chose to push to enter guilty pleas (before Obama was even in office) was because they WANT to be martyred (put to death) for Islam. Accepting these pleas and carrying out such a penalty — or any penalty based on such illegitimate proceedings — only serves to grant more power to these men.
Finally, the real outrage here is not that Obama has halted the proceedings by EO, it’s that an officer of of the US armed forces is acting explicitly to disobey a lawful order from his CiC. Looks to me as if these military judge is bucking to lose his commission if not in fact putting himself in a position to face court martial proceedings.
We have civilian control of our military. Or at least we are supposed to. Focus on the real issue and that issue is some in the military acting as if they are not under civilian control.
As to the alleged terrorists? No way in hell do I give these men what they want. What I do is bring them to trial legitimately.
from the OP:
“If they want to plead guilty, why not let them?”
-because, in the name of his administration’s shining agenda of “never let a good crisis go to waste” ideology, -he and his crisis-loving megalomaniacs will wait until the most politically expedient and opportunistic time to inject the Gitmo/911/Terror Campaign with new invigorated blood from which the vamapiristic mainstream media will feast upon and then use to indoctrinate even more entrained, rhetorical loving lemmings into their ideological madness.
-and not a second sooner.
-s
#1
You’d plea guilty too if you were tortured like these guy’s have been. The whole thing is BS.
Simple solution to the terrorists: accept their pleas of guilty, sentence them to life in prison, and send them to a Supermax facility.
Keep them from contacting anyone on the outside, especially visitors.
Keep them in the prison until they die of natural causes. No “martyrdom,” and they will be forgotten over time.
Thank god for 6#! The only person with some sense so far. These guys are all part of the propoganda BS which is to make out that 9/11 was a Muslim thing instead of a huge scam.
Its sad that people actually believe that these guys did it out of their own intention, assuming they were actually the ones that did it.
The men you see on trial are actors, United States please don’t fall for this one.
Jim, your view of how the universe works and how these guys thank it works does not intersect.
Given the chance these men would happily gut you like a fish and strangle you with your own entrails and all in the name of Allah the magnanimous.
The odd thing is that it wouldn’t be personal. To them you are a blight on the face of Allah’s creation and they are simply trying to remove the blight in order to make the world a better place to live more in harmony with Allah’s divine design.
I’m sure you’re much to parochial in your views to get this but hopefully enough sane people are around to prevent you from getting a lot of innocent third parties killed.
“If they want to plead guilty, why not let them?”
Because O’Mama is a bleeding heart lib that will end up getting more American’s killed.
Paddy-O said “Because O’Mama is a bleeding heart lib that will end up getting more American’s killed.”
And he juggles puppies. And is a pope abuser. And puts ketchup on his hot dogs.
7. Does it really sound like these guys are pleading guilty because of any torture?
I love #8 ease and I sure hope he’s not putting us on because that would be a real waste of nutcake. Yes, they’re all actors over in Afghanistan & Iraq & Iran, you saw through the whole thing.
0 “If they want to plead guilty, why not let them?”
Because that would deprive a lawyer of his God-given right to spend multi-millions of dollars on a trial that hinges on a shrunken glove that does not fit.
RBG
#3 He’s just doing good on his word, or are you going to tell me that’s not change?
#4 Phew! For a moment there I thought you went for the trifecta. Your first reason was OK, the second was utter crap and I was waiting for the third to be real idiotic but you threw a curve and just rambled, going back to the firts point you made, in essence making that three-point rant into a two point with first point reprise.
So if you want to give this guys their wish, I think you’re agreeing with #2. Or instead, give them a room in your house. That way, you’ll be making them live with an infidel. That’ll sure spoil their glory. I think Obama wants you to do the latter, that’s the real intention behind shutting Gitmo down.
Actually, seems #6 is the one fostering them. Just to show ‘em how good Americans really are.
#8 Your custom fit tin foil hat is ready, sir.
These guys will be moved back to Afghanistan to the expanded detention facility that is nearing completion in Kandahar.
There they will be turned over to the Afghanis and traded for prisoners held by the Taliban.
Lock it in.
#12 im completely serious and no they are not actors in Iraq and Afghanistan they are shooting targets. In Iran they are ‘potential’ shooting targets.
#13 thanks for the hat Pedro!
You all know it was an inside job and a scam. Or do you think that these guys planned to bring the buildings down with their secret WMD steel melting jet fuel? I don’t see how anyone with half an ounce of sense can think it wasn’t an inside job. There is no scientific explanation of the buildings collapsing without an array of demolition charges planted all over inside, which instantly rules out anything, other than an inside job.
http://www.european911citizensjury.com/9-11%20-%20Evidence%20of%20thermite-cut%20columns-b-indicated.jpg
I hate to explain the naivete but the fanatics of the religion of peace see this not as positive but rather a sign of weakness
Their biggest insult at demonstrations ( try driving as a women and demonstrating in our friend’s country Saudi Arabia)
Lets not hope they get too carried away with their management style and management styles
Political correctness is just wonderful – especially when the other side wants to cut your head off and murder you
#9, doewll,
Given the chance these men would happily gut you like a fish and strangle you with your own entrails and all in the name of Allah the magnanimous.
From the sounds of it, many posters here would do the same thing to all Arabs. Simply because their “god” is bigger.
#15, ease,
You won’t win any arguments claiming the WTC tragedy was done purposefully or was an inside job.
# 11 QB said, “And he juggles puppies. And is a pope abuser. And puts ketchup on his hot dogs.”
Hmm. I didn’t know that. However, what does that have to do with him putting American lives at risk?
15 eaze
All your 9/11 questions have already been answered on these DU items without you having to do a stitch of research. Read it and then you can go back to studying your belly button lint.
http://tinyurl.com/bvp3qz
http://tinyurl.com/bjgntg
The jet fuel set ablaze the office materials with typical office fire temperatures known to weaken steel which is confirmed by photos of WTC sagging steel beams prior to the collapse. Also up in smoke is everything you believed to be true moments ago.
RBG