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	<title>Comments on: Rhode Island Paper Predicts &#8216;Under-Ocean&#8217; Global Warming Scenario by 2100</title>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/03/23/rhode-island-paper-predicts-under-ocean-global-warming-scenario-by-2100/comment-page-2/#comment-1504360</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23 - Paddy-O,

Yes. Does one election of one candidate out of many change the entire color of a state? If so, the entire nation just turned blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23 &#8211; Paddy-O,</p>
<p>Yes. Does one election of one candidate out of many change the entire color of a state? If so, the entire nation just turned blue.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/03/23/rhode-island-paper-predicts-under-ocean-global-warming-scenario-by-2100/comment-page-2/#comment-1503972</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we&#039;re caring about Rhode Island now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;re caring about Rhode Island now?</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 15 Misanthropic Scott said,  &quot;Florida and Louisiana are blue? News to me. &quot;

LA no.  Florida, yes.  Did you know that there was an election in Nov 2008?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 15 Misanthropic Scott said,  &#8220;Florida and Louisiana are blue? News to me. &#8221;</p>
<p>LA no.  Florida, yes.  Did you know that there was an election in Nov 2008?</p>
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		<title>By: Widgethead</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/03/23/rhode-island-paper-predicts-under-ocean-global-warming-scenario-by-2100/comment-page-2/#comment-1503891</link>
		<dc:creator>Widgethead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh No There goes Tokyo, Godzilla!

The good news is by 2100 I will have very valuable beach front property in Rhode Island. The bad news, I doubt Ill live to 2100.  So screw it all.  The globe warms, the globe cools, it&#039;s not man-made, what hubris we mortals think that we cause all these things. The country is cleaner now than it was in the 1960&#039;s as far as pollution goes. Most of these nut jobs just want our money and control over us so they can be big men. Get some viagra dude!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh No There goes Tokyo, Godzilla!</p>
<p>The good news is by 2100 I will have very valuable beach front property in Rhode Island. The bad news, I doubt Ill live to 2100.  So screw it all.  The globe warms, the globe cools, it&#8217;s not man-made, what hubris we mortals think that we cause all these things. The country is cleaner now than it was in the 1960&#8242;s as far as pollution goes. Most of these nut jobs just want our money and control over us so they can be big men. Get some viagra dude!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn,

&lt;i&gt;But Gore’s got us investing in Tulip, er… Carbon Futures. &lt;/i&gt;

Can you show us any place where carbon futures are required? So far, they seem to be a dud in the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn,</p>
<p><i>But Gore’s got us investing in Tulip, er… Carbon Futures. </i></p>
<p>Can you show us any place where carbon futures are required? So far, they seem to be a dud in the market.</p>
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		<title>By: ByGeorgeivGotit!</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/03/23/rhode-island-paper-predicts-under-ocean-global-warming-scenario-by-2100/comment-page-1/#comment-1503869</link>
		<dc:creator>ByGeorgeivGotit!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, the line about the coin-operated binoculars really got to me.  What can we do to save them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, the line about the coin-operated binoculars really got to me.  What can we do to save them?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All during this hyped up scare of what might happen 50 to 100 years from now. NOBODY was even one tenth as concerned about the financial mess that was developing. And that, as we now know, wasn&#039;t a century off, from becoming a &quot;meltdown&quot;. It&#039;s right now!! It took maybe 20 years, since the US Congress pulled all the stops out on regulating the banking industry, to end up as it is now.

And there still is not very much concern about what all this deficit spending, today, bail out the banks and &quot;jumpstart&quot; the economy, will lead to a few more decades hence. But Oh, let&#039;s throw a tizzy about Global Warming, a decades before we even start to see any concrete evidence that it might be real, and caused by man. Well I&#039;m so glad to hear that in spite of everything, we have the ready cash to burn, to reverse global weather trends. Come on people! We are not freaking gods. Regardless of what Al Gore might think. We don&#039;t control the bloomin weather. We never have. We&#039;re lucky if we can even reasonably predict what it will do for more than a few days, in advance. And SUDDENLY, all this power has gone to our collective heads. And it&#039;s believed we know what will happen 50 or more years from now?! Well the world of international finance is far more predictable that the world&#039;s weather. And if this current mess is any indication at just how badly we can get it wrong. Then we shouldn&#039;t be betting (or spending) billions (or trillions) on what we believe the world&#039;s climate will do.

This crap is the 21th century of the tulip investment scandal. Look it up (Wiki it). When whole fortunes were spent on (of all things) rare tulip bulbs. That is until everyone started to wise up to the mania they were involved in. And the &quot;tulip bubble&quot; burst. Fortunes disappeared overnight, and bulbs by the thousands, rotted. It seems completely silly to us now, that people invested so much in &quot;rare&quot; plant bulbs, just because somebody said they were rare and worth a lot. But we (as gullible humans) keep falling for the same sales pitch. But with new &quot;commodities&quot;, such as carbon dioxide. Good grief! Al Gore has us blowing billions on atmospheric gas. And it&#039;s naturally occurring too. Not just what vehicle and factories put into it. Plants, volcanos, THE OCEANS! All contributing far more CO2 that what us humans can. But Gore&#039;s got us investing in Tulip, er... Carbon Futures. Oh yeah, Mr. Occidental Oil, who hasn&#039;t sold a nickel of his stock shares, wants the rest of us to piss away everything that is already (by definition) up in smoke. How clever is that?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All during this hyped up scare of what might happen 50 to 100 years from now. NOBODY was even one tenth as concerned about the financial mess that was developing. And that, as we now know, wasn&#8217;t a century off, from becoming a &#8220;meltdown&#8221;. It&#8217;s right now!! It took maybe 20 years, since the US Congress pulled all the stops out on regulating the banking industry, to end up as it is now.</p>
<p>And there still is not very much concern about what all this deficit spending, today, bail out the banks and &#8220;jumpstart&#8221; the economy, will lead to a few more decades hence. But Oh, let&#8217;s throw a tizzy about Global Warming, a decades before we even start to see any concrete evidence that it might be real, and caused by man. Well I&#8217;m so glad to hear that in spite of everything, we have the ready cash to burn, to reverse global weather trends. Come on people! We are not freaking gods. Regardless of what Al Gore might think. We don&#8217;t control the bloomin weather. We never have. We&#8217;re lucky if we can even reasonably predict what it will do for more than a few days, in advance. And SUDDENLY, all this power has gone to our collective heads. And it&#8217;s believed we know what will happen 50 or more years from now?! Well the world of international finance is far more predictable that the world&#8217;s weather. And if this current mess is any indication at just how badly we can get it wrong. Then we shouldn&#8217;t be betting (or spending) billions (or trillions) on what we believe the world&#8217;s climate will do.</p>
<p>This crap is the 21th century of the tulip investment scandal. Look it up (Wiki it). When whole fortunes were spent on (of all things) rare tulip bulbs. That is until everyone started to wise up to the mania they were involved in. And the &#8220;tulip bubble&#8221; burst. Fortunes disappeared overnight, and bulbs by the thousands, rotted. It seems completely silly to us now, that people invested so much in &#8220;rare&#8221; plant bulbs, just because somebody said they were rare and worth a lot. But we (as gullible humans) keep falling for the same sales pitch. But with new &#8220;commodities&#8221;, such as carbon dioxide. Good grief! Al Gore has us blowing billions on atmospheric gas. And it&#8217;s naturally occurring too. Not just what vehicle and factories put into it. Plants, volcanos, THE OCEANS! All contributing far more CO2 that what us humans can. But Gore&#8217;s got us investing in Tulip, er&#8230; Carbon Futures. Oh yeah, Mr. Occidental Oil, who hasn&#8217;t sold a nickel of his stock shares, wants the rest of us to piss away everything that is already (by definition) up in smoke. How clever is that?!!</p>
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		<title>By: WRA</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/03/23/rhode-island-paper-predicts-under-ocean-global-warming-scenario-by-2100/comment-page-1/#comment-1503793</link>
		<dc:creator>WRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a weekend ProJo subscriber, I drank my first cup of coffee reading this drivel, which was front page on the Sunday edition (if that wasn&#039;t clear in the article).

I recently dropped my daily weekday delivery.  When I get the mandatory phone call asking why I did so, I&#039;ll point out this article, which contains all of the reasons packed into one article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a weekend ProJo subscriber, I drank my first cup of coffee reading this drivel, which was front page on the Sunday edition (if that wasn&#8217;t clear in the article).</p>
<p>I recently dropped my daily weekday delivery.  When I get the mandatory phone call asking why I did so, I&#8217;ll point out this article, which contains all of the reasons packed into one article.</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 - Bob,

&lt;i&gt;So, we are back to Global warming this week huh?

I really need to find out the rule for this. From what I can tell we call it Global Warming during summer, and Climate change during the winter. Does that about sum it up?&lt;/i&gt;

I think you may be hung up on a name. Global warming, climate change, global heating, ....

Different people have different preferences. Some like to stick with the original, global warming because everyone knows it. Some like climate change because it more accurately reflects that while the whole globe is warming, some parts may experience more, while some experience less, or even cool (especially Europe if the gulf stream stops).

A rose by any other name ...

Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 &#8211; Bob,</p>
<p><i>So, we are back to Global warming this week huh?</p>
<p>I really need to find out the rule for this. From what I can tell we call it Global Warming during summer, and Climate change during the winter. Does that about sum it up?</i></p>
<p>I think you may be hung up on a name. Global warming, climate change, global heating, &#8230;.</p>
<p>Different people have different preferences. Some like to stick with the original, global warming because everyone knows it. Some like climate change because it more accurately reflects that while the whole globe is warming, some parts may experience more, while some experience less, or even cool (especially Europe if the gulf stream stops).</p>
<p>A rose by any other name &#8230;</p>
<p>Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bored Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah what the hell, so if you now own a nice shore front house on Cape Cod... party with cookouts on the beach while you can, soon it may turn out that fish will eventually be swimming around in the living room, crabs hiding in the wood stove.  Who cares, whatever will be will be.

Sell it soon, head inland and buy a foreclosed estate in the Berkshire Mountains to keep the party going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah what the hell, so if you now own a nice shore front house on Cape Cod&#8230; party with cookouts on the beach while you can, soon it may turn out that fish will eventually be swimming around in the living room, crabs hiding in the wood stove.  Who cares, whatever will be will be.</p>
<p>Sell it soon, head inland and buy a foreclosed estate in the Berkshire Mountains to keep the party going.</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/03/23/rhode-island-paper-predicts-under-ocean-global-warming-scenario-by-2100/comment-page-1/#comment-1503790</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2 - Paddy-trOll,

Florida and Louisiana are blue? News to me. Even in NYC, it will be Wall Street hit hardest. And, the traders are nearly all repugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 &#8211; Paddy-trOll,</p>
<p>Florida and Louisiana are blue? News to me. Even in NYC, it will be Wall Street hit hardest. And, the traders are nearly all repugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/03/23/rhode-island-paper-predicts-under-ocean-global-warming-scenario-by-2100/comment-page-1/#comment-1503789</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they certainly provided the links to back up their statement. And, they certainly stayed with the optimistic reports, as advertised. This cannot be called alarmism by any stretch of the imagination. If alarmism was the goal, they&#039;d have gone with something more like this.

http://tinyurl.com/c324qd

They even accurately reported the range of information about ice melt. We know that the sea will rise by a certain amount depending on the exact rise in temperature simply due to the expansion of the ocean.

How much the ice will melt is the real question. So far, all indication is that the ice is melting far faster than anyone expected. Kilimanjaro is almost ice free. Greenland is having ice quakes at many times the normal rate and appears to be melting from the bottom, which causes it to slip into the ocean faster.

We don&#039;t know how fast the ice will melt.

What are we willing to bet on the majority of climate scientists in the world being wrong? Why will we not take action when we know that all actions to prevent global warming are actions we must take anyway, regardless of warming? How stupid are we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they certainly provided the links to back up their statement. And, they certainly stayed with the optimistic reports, as advertised. This cannot be called alarmism by any stretch of the imagination. If alarmism was the goal, they&#8217;d have gone with something more like this.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/c324qd" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/c324qd' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/c324qd</a></p>
<p>They even accurately reported the range of information about ice melt. We know that the sea will rise by a certain amount depending on the exact rise in temperature simply due to the expansion of the ocean.</p>
<p>How much the ice will melt is the real question. So far, all indication is that the ice is melting far faster than anyone expected. Kilimanjaro is almost ice free. Greenland is having ice quakes at many times the normal rate and appears to be melting from the bottom, which causes it to slip into the ocean faster.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know how fast the ice will melt.</p>
<p>What are we willing to bet on the majority of climate scientists in the world being wrong? Why will we not take action when we know that all actions to prevent global warming are actions we must take anyway, regardless of warming? How stupid are we?</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate change can be appallingly fast and has been according to people who study the evidence left in the Earth but anyone who thinks they know for sure which way the climate is going to be heading six weeks from now doesn&#039;t know jack because climate is as unstable as the weather.

It&#039;s nice to pretend we know and have some sort of control over it but don&#039;t count on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate change can be appallingly fast and has been according to people who study the evidence left in the Earth but anyone who thinks they know for sure which way the climate is going to be heading six weeks from now doesn&#8217;t know jack because climate is as unstable as the weather.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to pretend we know and have some sort of control over it but don&#8217;t count on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming all the Land locked Ice melts then most of the east coast as we know it, not just Rhode Island, will be submerged. On the other hand the process will be so slow that there will be plenty of time to move actually important things. You know, historical landmarks further inland, Politicians further out to see to insure they don&#039;t survive...

The sub 100 year time table is a bit on the quick side though. Even assuming all the continental ice is going to melt it will take a long time. Just do the math, the process is well understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming all the Land locked Ice melts then most of the east coast as we know it, not just Rhode Island, will be submerged. On the other hand the process will be so slow that there will be plenty of time to move actually important things. You know, historical landmarks further inland, Politicians further out to see to insure they don&#8217;t survive&#8230;</p>
<p>The sub 100 year time table is a bit on the quick side though. Even assuming all the continental ice is going to melt it will take a long time. Just do the math, the process is well understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Blues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it a one sided article when it supports the Global Warming argument, and well reasoned journalism when it doesn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it a one sided article when it supports the Global Warming argument, and well reasoned journalism when it doesn&#8217;t?</p>
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