Alfred1 says:

# 60 bobbo said, on March 28th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
#59–Alfred==you are not being logical.
Was it logic or the Holy Spirit that lead you to christ?
The Holy Spirit used logic…Darwin himself admitted the impossibility the eye came about by mindless chance…as none of the parts by themselves are beneficial to the organism and so would not be passed on via survival of the fittest.

In critical thought, any theory that isn’t falsifiable cannot be true, evolution is not falsifiable…regardless what common sense arguments are raised against it…appeal is made to a mythical time when physical laws were different than today.

It is elementary, intelligent design cannot happen a billion times over, by unintelligent chance…the mathematical odds are impossibly small to make it impossible.

Common sense tells us a building has a builder, and a building left to itself doesn’t evolve into the Empire State Building…it breaks down into its simplest elements.

Evolutionary PHILOSPOHY has this reversed…therefore to a common sense person, the theory is absurd.

Theory is not fact, you contradict yourself in your next statement:
Evolution is a fact. Logic might take you to some other theory than Darwinism to explain it but it wouldn’t take you to any particular faith. Why one of the many forms of Christianity over all the other similarly anti-factual religions?

Logic had me admit the possibility God exists…the historical proof and philosophical necessity of Christ’s resurrection (Of God coming in the flesh to commune with His creatures) leads naturally to the acceptance of Christianity.
You are right only when you say its all subjective==meaning your own emotions.

I wasn’t accurate when I said its subjective…the Holy Spirit’s witness is objective…by subjective, I meant “internal”, not something I can produce for you in a laboratory or can be measured by instruments (to my knowledge.)
My experience of Christ dwelling in me is objective, a definite reality change when I was born again.
BTW–thanks for explaining your choice of bible passages. It means so much more to those who have it explained, because to anti-theists like me, the words alone are a fairytale without meaning. Dogma is like that.

In the text, religionists ask Christ what they can do to work the works of God…Christ explains its not about works…its about believing He is the Eternal Son of God, God in the Flesh through whose name, Eternal life is obtained…That we cannot do enough works to pay God for our sins…therefore He opens the Door into the TELIOS (the complete Realm, as opposed to the MEROS, 1 Cor 13:8f) via Christ, the Way and the Truth and the Life, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have eternal life.
Parable: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle. /// Well ok but how good a parable can it be if a non-believer gets nothing from it? Not very “teaching” in its effect. But like evolution, it does take some initial study before acceptance/rejection is competently approached.

I believe John c. 6 is simple enough to understand:

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
(Joh 6:28-29 KJV)

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not….

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
(Joh 6:63-69 KJV)

Mr. Fusion says:

#55, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,

You must be born again, as Christ said:

First, your grammar sucks. depending upon whom you refer, it will be either “the Christ”, “Jesus Christ”, or “Christ (last name)”. Christ is a title.

Second, if you care to believe in some fairy tales, that is your problem. It is indicative of your mindset though.

There are no contemporary record confirming there ever was a person named Jesus, named as the Christ. Over the years there has grown more and more evidence refuting the existence of a “god” as defined in the Bible.

Third, your need to quote scripture as if it carries any weight is another of your follies. Although it might sooth the savage beast within yourself, outside it only shows you can’t make an argument on your own.

Taunts, ad hominem, is the debate tactic of the logically challenged…its what people do who do not know how to prove their points…

Rather than discuss the reasons why they are right, they divert attention from the issue to something else…

Ya right. I’m still waiting for that evidence about Obama. Remember? The ad hominem attack you threw in accusing Obama of selling drugs when the subject was Bill O’Reilly’s obscene audio book? I’ve asked repeatedly and you seem to want to go everywhere else with your rants instead of answering a direct question.

You misunderstand why I prefer reasoned argument…

The only reasoned argument you have ever made is , … uuhhh, hang on, mmm, … gee, I guess you haven’t. Your arguments all seem to focus on two things, Obama is the devil incarnate and you have to believe in YOUR brand of Jesus.

Or, my “opponent” present facts or a perspective I was blind to…and that forces me to reconsider a position.

So many times you have been shown irrefutable proof and still you deny it. They offer links to scientific journals, professional journalists reports, video evidence, and still you deny it. You invent lies and refuse to admit defeat when shown how wrong you are.

And you think we are the fools.

rr says:

Alfred1,
“In critical thought, any theory that isn’t falsifiable cannot be true, evolution is not falsifiable…”

An untrue statement. There are several ways to falsify the theory of evolution:
1. Find any modern cat or any modern mammal skeleton among Pre-Cambrian fossils.
2. Find the entire fossil record laid down in one geological strata dated to 7,000 years ago.
3. Find that humans and chimps share no endogenous retroviruses.
4. Find a human fossil skeleton with signs of dinosaur predation.

“Theory is not fact, you contradict yourself in your next statement: Evolution is a fact.”

Evolution is a fact. The fact that species change, that’s why you’re not a clone of your mother. The theory of evolution is what causes the change in species. That is supported by a mountain of evidence that only the willfully ignorant avoid coming to grips with.

“Common sense tells us a building has a builder, and a building left to itself doesn’t evolve into the Empire State Building…it breaks down into its simplest elements.”
This is simply question begging and an infinite regress. Who made the builder?

The reality is that you know literally nothing about what you are talking about.

Christianity isn’t an excuse for ignorance.