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		<title>By: Alfred1</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-4/#comment-1507547</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;# 62 Mr. Fusion said, on April 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 am 
#41, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
RE: #33
Do you actually get the message behind the mythos that you are defending, or does your interpretation of “objective” reality allow you to own weapons and make threats?
“Mythos that you are defending…” bobbo and fusie frolicking limp wristed in the moolight, is not a myth…and I don’t defend it…
AND said events are ONE reason I got guns…
#44
Perhaps I wasn’t clear, picture…
two limp wristed fairies tip toeing through the tulips…and me on the grassy knoll, taking aim…
So now your delusional mind is fantasizing killing two people because you disagree with them. Where YOUR bible said “Thou shall not kill” and “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” now clearly puts you into the hypocrisy camp.
You have merely confirmed the worse fears about America lax gun laws.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;You must have a large brain to hold so much ignorance…That was obvious allegory…dickhead…and THAT is metonymy…a figure of speech standing vividly for  your character…
AND this is an illustration:
If we put your brain on the edge of a razor, it would look like a pea rolling down a four lane highway.&lt;/b&gt;

Does bobbo have the common courtesy to offer you a reach around when he is done, &quot;fusie&quot;…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i># 62 Mr. Fusion said, on April 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 am<br />
#41, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,<br />
RE: #33<br />
Do you actually get the message behind the mythos that you are defending, or does your interpretation of “objective” reality allow you to own weapons and make threats?<br />
“Mythos that you are defending…” bobbo and fusie frolicking limp wristed in the moolight, is not a myth…and I don’t defend it…<br />
AND said events are ONE reason I got guns…<br />
#44<br />
Perhaps I wasn’t clear, picture…<br />
two limp wristed fairies tip toeing through the tulips…and me on the grassy knoll, taking aim…<br />
So now your delusional mind is fantasizing killing two people because you disagree with them. Where YOUR bible said “Thou shall not kill” and “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” now clearly puts you into the hypocrisy camp.<br />
You have merely confirmed the worse fears about America lax gun laws.</i><br />
<b>You must have a large brain to hold so much ignorance…That was obvious allegory…dickhead…and THAT is metonymy…a figure of speech standing vividly for  your character…<br />
AND this is an illustration:<br />
If we put your brain on the edge of a razor, it would look like a pea rolling down a four lane highway.</b></p>
<p>Does bobbo have the common courtesy to offer you a reach around when he is done, &#8220;fusie&#8221;…</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-4/#comment-1507502</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61 (and by inclusion, #56):

While it&#039;s certainly true that she would have committed the act of murder, from a purely practical perspective it&#039;d be impossible to prove.  (And, actually, #56 is actually wrong on the robbery analogy, but for entirely different reasons which I&#039;ll get to in a second).

The simple fact of the matter is no one has thus far seen Resurrection happen (outside of Battlestar Galactica, har har.  Or I suppose the Bible, but no one has actually *seen* is happen in the Bible either, since them folks are 1,950 years dead and all.)  So if you attempt to take this to trial, the defendant&#039;s first witness would be the boy, whole and hale.  The state would then have to *prove* resurrection beyond a reasonable doubt... and if 10,000 years of philosophy and theocracy hasn&#039;t done it, a prosecutor with 6 months worth of trial prep won&#039;t be able to do it.  (Though I admit, I *am* professionally curious about it.)

As to #56&#039;s bank robbery analogy - you&#039;re kinda wrong.  One of the elements of larceny/theft is intent to permanently deprive the victim of the object stolen.  If you return the cash after you took it - because you never intended to keep it in the first place - the state would have to prove that you only brought the cash back for another reason.  That being said, would a jury really believe that you took money from a bank you weren&#039;t intending to keep?  Tough sell, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#61 (and by inclusion, #56):</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s certainly true that she would have committed the act of murder, from a purely practical perspective it&#8217;d be impossible to prove.  (And, actually, #56 is actually wrong on the robbery analogy, but for entirely different reasons which I&#8217;ll get to in a second).</p>
<p>The simple fact of the matter is no one has thus far seen Resurrection happen (outside of Battlestar Galactica, har har.  Or I suppose the Bible, but no one has actually *seen* is happen in the Bible either, since them folks are 1,950 years dead and all.)  So if you attempt to take this to trial, the defendant&#8217;s first witness would be the boy, whole and hale.  The state would then have to *prove* resurrection beyond a reasonable doubt&#8230; and if 10,000 years of philosophy and theocracy hasn&#8217;t done it, a prosecutor with 6 months worth of trial prep won&#8217;t be able to do it.  (Though I admit, I *am* professionally curious about it.)</p>
<p>As to #56&#8242;s bank robbery analogy &#8211; you&#8217;re kinda wrong.  One of the elements of larceny/theft is intent to permanently deprive the victim of the object stolen.  If you return the cash after you took it &#8211; because you never intended to keep it in the first place &#8211; the state would have to prove that you only brought the cash back for another reason.  That being said, would a jury really believe that you took money from a bank you weren&#8217;t intending to keep?  Tough sell, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: orangetiki</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-4/#comment-1507395</link>
		<dc:creator>orangetiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t get over the cult / occult&#039;s was named one mind ministries. hilarious!</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,

RE: #33
&lt;i&gt;Do you actually get the message behind the mythos that you are defending, or does your interpretation of “objective” reality allow you to own weapons and make threats?


“Mythos that you are defending…” bobbo and fusie frolicking limp wristed in the moolight, is not a myth…and I don’t defend it…
AND said events are ONE reason I got guns…
&lt;/i&gt;

#44
&lt;i&gt;Perhaps I wasn’t clear, picture…
two limp wristed fairies tip toeing through the tulips…and me on the grassy knoll, taking aim…
&lt;/i&gt;

So now your delusional mind is fantasizing killing two people because you disagree with them. Where YOUR bible said “Thou shall not kill” and “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” now clearly puts you into the hypocrisy camp.

You have merely confirmed the worse fears about America lax gun laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,</p>
<p>RE: #33<br />
<i>Do you actually get the message behind the mythos that you are defending, or does your interpretation of “objective” reality allow you to own weapons and make threats?</p>
<p>“Mythos that you are defending…” bobbo and fusie frolicking limp wristed in the moolight, is not a myth…and I don’t defend it…<br />
AND said events are ONE reason I got guns…<br />
</i></p>
<p>#44<br />
<i>Perhaps I wasn’t clear, picture…<br />
two limp wristed fairies tip toeing through the tulips…and me on the grassy knoll, taking aim…<br />
</i></p>
<p>So now your delusional mind is fantasizing killing two people because you disagree with them. Where YOUR bible said “Thou shall not kill” and “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” now clearly puts you into the hypocrisy camp.</p>
<p>You have merely confirmed the worse fears about America lax gun laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#56, Ron,

WHOA !!!

That is one heck of a persuasive argument. I would like to hear a counter to it. Not because I disagree, but because anything countering that point would have to be a pretty powerful, logical reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#56, Ron,</p>
<p>WHOA !!!</p>
<p>That is one heck of a persuasive argument. I would like to hear a counter to it. Not because I disagree, but because anything countering that point would have to be a pretty powerful, logical reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-3/#comment-1507334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48, Li,

A good post.

I think we are pretty close in attitude. What you call &lt;i&gt;spirituality&lt;/i&gt; I would call &lt;i&gt;community&lt;/i&gt;. And, you are correct, I do associate the word &lt;i&gt;spirituality&lt;/i&gt; with religion. 

Humans need a sense of community to survive. We are are after all, a herding species. Those that can not find a sense of community miss their inclusion in society.

Thank you for correcting me and expanding your reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48, Li,</p>
<p>A good post.</p>
<p>I think we are pretty close in attitude. What you call <i>spirituality</i> I would call <i>community</i>. And, you are correct, I do associate the word <i>spirituality</i> with religion. </p>
<p>Humans need a sense of community to survive. We are are after all, a herding species. Those that can not find a sense of community miss their inclusion in society.</p>
<p>Thank you for correcting me and expanding your reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could anyone expect a year old child to say words on cue?

I hope the &quot;40-year-old woman who goes by the name Queen Antoinette,&quot; can be charged, clearly she was the cause of this tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could anyone expect a year old child to say words on cue?</p>
<p>I hope the &#8220;40-year-old woman who goes by the name Queen Antoinette,&#8221; can be charged, clearly she was the cause of this tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: spaced ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>spaced ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t we have a legal precedent now that officially recognizes resurrection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t we have a legal precedent now that officially recognizes resurrection?</p>
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		<title>By: Li</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-3/#comment-1507203</link>
		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she manages a resurrection, it would be hard to prove murder on the retrial anyhow, habeas corpus and all. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she manages a resurrection, it would be hard to prove murder on the retrial anyhow, habeas corpus and all. <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ron Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-3/#comment-1507183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!

If I rob a bank, and then give them all the money back, does that mean I am immune from prosecution? No.

She murdered her kid. Resurrection or not, she still did the crime.

That&#039;s a very slippery slope the DA just stepped on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!</p>
<p>If I rob a bank, and then give them all the money back, does that mean I am immune from prosecution? No.</p>
<p>She murdered her kid. Resurrection or not, she still did the crime.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very slippery slope the DA just stepped on.</p>
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		<title>By: Li</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-3/#comment-1507182</link>
		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53 I&#039;ve found truth in even wholly fictitious tales, why exclude stories about things that merely may have occurred from your consideration just because they are stories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53 I&#8217;ve found truth in even wholly fictitious tales, why exclude stories about things that merely may have occurred from your consideration just because they are stories?</p>
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		<title>By: Li</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-3/#comment-1507181</link>
		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#51 Amen to that. But it seems that men are attracted to power over each other, and such corruption always seeps in. I prefer small gatherings over large, for that reason. Less time for the corruption to take hold, and less power to tempt the weak with.

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#51 Amen to that. But it seems that men are attracted to power over each other, and such corruption always seeps in. I prefer small gatherings over large, for that reason. Less time for the corruption to take hold, and less power to tempt the weak with.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/01/plea-bargain-includes-resurrection-wtf/comment-page-3/#comment-1507179</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alfred1: Religious stories (any religion) are just that--stories. That&#039;s the way it is....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alfred1: Religious stories (any religion) are just that&#8211;stories. That&#8217;s the way it is&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:51... &quot;If only those same institutions...&quot;  I meant to say &quot;same gatherings&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:51&#8230; &#8220;If only those same institutions&#8230;&#8221;  I meant to say &#8220;same gatherings&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48, Li... nicely said, and I agree under those circumstances.

If only those same institutions didn&#039;t tend to organize into larger, more powerful singularities, expressing condemnation (outside their loving groups) to differing ethos, promote themselves by preying on inherent fears, or spreading the opinion and belief under the guise of the ultimate truth....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48, Li&#8230; nicely said, and I agree under those circumstances.</p>
<p>If only those same institutions didn&#8217;t tend to organize into larger, more powerful singularities, expressing condemnation (outside their loving groups) to differing ethos, promote themselves by preying on inherent fears, or spreading the opinion and belief under the guise of the ultimate truth&#8230;.</p>
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