#151–Fusion==it did look a bit manic, but your efforts finally bore fruit.

Call it a bug up my butt or a passion. One thing I can not tolerate is blatant slandering. There is currently another thread on Obama Derangement Syndrome. Alphie fits the definition of that exactly.

Calling people on a deranged, slandering, baseless statement is necessary in my opinion. If you notice Cow-Patty is a little more careful about what he posts. Not always, but a little. I only wish Alphie could see the errors of his ways and realize that pure hate and vitrol is not a substitute for a reasoned, rational, factual argument.

Keep the peace bro.

Alfies “mind” set is what drives religious bigots. Its rarely demonstrated so convincingly. But how else can one describe belief based on faith rather than reason?

Yes, very instructive. Alfie: you made and continue to make a mountain out of a molehill, or even of the tunnel undeneath the molehill. FACTS vs OPINION. FAITH vs REASON. HUMILITY vs OPPRESSION.

Lots to learn.

Who is speaking for us? Crazy televangelists and talking vegetables (Veggie Tales). Hollywood, on the other hand is doing something differently.

As Hollywood finally put Charlton Heston to pasture and began making films about the true history of the church, people have become increasingly disgusted. The true stories of Joan of Arc, the Crusades, the treatment of the Indians, etc. won’t simply go away because we want them to.

Then there was Hollywood’s favorite Christian, Mel Gibson. The effectiveness of his personal spirituality is now well documented. His ‘Passion’ film was so outrageous to those on the fence that it did more harm than good. Next to the X-Men and Spiderman, Jesus’ powers look week. His subsequent drunken rant confirmed his critics’ assessment.

This Autumn there will be another assault on us in the form of the film “Agora.” A full screen blockbuster depiction of the rape of the last librarian of pagan Alexandria aught to help seal our downfall in the eyes of young people. We can look forward to the final scene where fourth century Bible wavers peel the skin off her living body with sea shells. Nothing like scenes of mobs of book burning Christian zealots to ring in the Christmas season… I mean Saturnalia.

Hollywood knows what they are doing.

We cannot say The TRUTH will set us free, then cherry pick or abandon it when it releases countless others. I think the church will be destroyed, and true Christians will return to small groups of Bible believing worshippers.

There is a lesson here for us.

I missed something here. You referred someone to a site which listed something you called evidence?

Please provide at least that link. I don’t see it on this thread.

I said Obama sold drugs…and referred you to a site which listed the circumstantial evidence for that claim…and without evidence…you rejected the claim…

Since then you’ve been stalking my posts …constantly you rage at me with a burning hate of a thousand suns….

You’re sad.

Not a lie at the time uttered==it became a lie after a week for demands of evidence and a final decision to bluff it out as if it weren’t a pathetic failure to be honest with ones self.

Truly PATHETIC. Just admit simple overstatements made in a rush and separate fact from fiction. Course, Alfie ain’t great at that particular distinction.

Heh, heh. “I believe – - – - – -”

I googled “argument from silence”.

Interestingly, the wikipedia page that came up gave a textbook example in which it is perfectly valid to use the argument from silence.

More interestingly, it asserted that a valid use is exactly as Thomas has been using it.

Here it is for your education.

http://tinyurl.com/cmvvfq

It is much more likely Obama sold drugs at least once, just as did every other drug user on the planet, or distributed them free for other reasons (which really is a sale, but not for money), just as every drug user does, than not.

The burden of proof really isn’t on me.

Wrong. You have no evidence that Obama ever sold drugs. You ASSUME he did because he is half black. You ASSUME he did because he also experimented with them. You ASSUME he did because some third party stated that someone Obama knew might have sold drugs.

No proof. No evidence. Only denigration. And the burden of proof IS on you. You claimed it.

Now I watch you nitpick arguments from others such as your “argument from silence”. Yet the same level of veracity you require from others you deny of yourself.

Please, Queenie, learn the difference between an opinion and a fact.

C’mon Queenie, by your own quote you just elevated a fetus to something of property.

… the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges.

The same as if the men fighting had of broken a table, a door, or a bed. If they can’t agree on damages then a Judge will decide tha value.

NOWHERE does that passage even imply that a fetus is anything more than a chattel. Worthy of future value, yes, a life worth the charge of murder, NO.

And you are still a liar. On two levels now.

We can, given the available evidence, make a provisional conclusion that John Adam cared little if anything for purple leprechauns. If any contrary material were found, we would change our conclusion. The more material we find that is silent on the subject, the proportionally stronger our conclusion becomes. Similarly, we can conclude that had abortion been considered the equivalent of murder, a crime that is documented numerous times along with a host of other crimes meriting punishment by death, it would have been documented in more than a single dodgy passage out of the volumes of text that were written at the time. The more material we find that says nothing on the subject, the stronger our conclusion. This is sound, common historical analysis. This is not a criminal court where the evidence must be beyond all reasonable doubt. Historians make conclusions based on the preponderance of the evidence because the evidence they generally have is minimal.

By your logic, we could never conclude anything about history since after all, we don’t know what we don’t know and we only have a limited number of authors saying anything at all. Hey, the Jews could have enjoyed screwing camels with palm trees since they never say anything about it. We “can’t” conclude they did or did not. This type of thinking is ridiculous. We can use the evidence we have to make a reasoned conclusion and while it is possible that abortion was considered so heinous that the never wrote about it, the evidence, including the lack of evidence to support the claim, suggests otherwise.

Again, the original premise is still quite valid: the Bible, if anything, says nothing on abortion or at best considers child younger than a certain age to be inconsequential or property.

Its not a lie, its my conclusion as to what is likely, based upon the facts of the phenomena.

I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn’t apply to you. Nor does the biblical admonition against bearing false witness. You are one fucked up induhvidual.

It is much more likely Obama sold drugs at least once, just as did every other drug user on the planet, or distributed them free for other reasons (which really is a sale, but not for money), just as every drug user does, than not.

I’m sorry. Do you seem to think of this as proof of anything??!!? More likely? You stated it as fact. Further, you obviously know nothing about drug use or channels of distribution of any product. There are always more end users than distributors.

I shop in grocery stores, but have never worked in one. I buy clothing but have never sold it. I drive a car, but have never sold them. I stay in motels on travel, but have never run one.

Are you an idiot? Or, do you merely play one on TV?

The burden of proof really isn’t on me.

Ah … your clearest statement of your lack of understanding of the world yet. You made an accusation. The burden of proof is most definitely on you.

I claim you are a murderer. The burden of proof really isn’t on me.

Your bible has taught you hatred and fear of others. It has made you a xenophobe in the extreme. You would do well to pick up another book or two once in a while.