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President Obama will speak at Notre Dame’s commencement on May 17. That is an honor to some, but an outrage to others.
Some alumni have called the campus saying they have thrown away their Fighting Irish sweatshirts in disgust. The local bishop, John D’Arcy, has vowed to boycott the graduation ceremony. A visiting high school senior, Halley Chavey, who said she was thrilled just weeks ago to be accepted here, said she might reject the offer because the college was hosting “the most pro-abortion president we’ve ever had…”
“Most of us are like, ‘Wow, the president of the United States is coming,’ ” said Brett Ensor, a Texas native who belongs to the Knights of Columbus, opposes abortion and voted for Mr. Obama’s Republican opponent, Senator John McCain. “What college wouldn’t want Obama to come? This is a tremendous honor for us…”
Notre Dame is regarded as an academic powerhouse and conservative Catholic bastion. But in a mock election here in November, Mr. Obama defeated Mr. McCain among students by about 11 percentage points. He won roughly the same margin of victory among Catholic voters in the national election…
In the view of the Rev. Richard McBrien, a prominent liberal theologian at Notre Dame, the commotion over Mr. Obama centers not on faith, but on politics.
“This crowd,” Mr. McBrien said, referring to conservative Catholics, “are simply Republicans who are upset that Obama won the election — and they want to pick a fight.”
Pretty accurate characterization of American Catholics in the article. Including their divergence from monocultural obedience as required by the Vatican.
#75, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
To me the issue is integrity…that is lost when a Catholic school, which is against abortion and infanticide, and working to stop Obama from mandating their doctors perform abortions—-
YES !!! Integrity !!!
Queenie, please show us some evidence that Obama has ANY intention of forcing any physician or hospital to perform abortions.
I have asked before and you haven’t responded.Tell us, are you the one lacking in integrity?
#100. Billy Bob,
Why do morons spell ‘moron’ as ‘moran’?
One only has to look at the faces of the congregation of any church in America to see what we’re dealing with here. They look like the slow class in a junior high school.
Just ignore these people. They follow a murder of supreme hypocrites who continue to look the other way every time one of their crows is caught buggering an alter boy.
The reals story is the organized and ritualized separation of the stupid from their money. Nothing more.
#100, Billy Bob,
#74 Killing a fetus does not make a rape all better. Abortion is not a “personal responsibility” issue, it’s a debate about personhood and murder.
This was a nine year old girl. If I remember the story correctly, she was raped by her stepfather. If the baby was brought to term, it would have killed her. That would have been a willing murder on behalf of all those who chose that she bear the baby.
The last time I was forced to study the bible there was this part called the “Ten Commandments”. One of these commandments was “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. I don’t recall anything about abortion. What I have seen though is portions of the bible that don’t place any value on a child less than one month old.
Nor do I recall anything in the bible about when sperm becomes a person. Remember, it was the man who planted the seed, not the woman who became fertile. So abortion is not part of the bible but murder is. And you, along with the Brazilian Bishop and Church think it is fine to kill a nine yr/o child.
Effen sick logic.
# 101 Mr. Fusion said, on April 7th, 2009 at 4:50 am
#75, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
To me the issue is integrity…that is lost when a Catholic school, which is against abortion and infanticide, and working to stop Obama from mandating their doctors perform abortions—-
YES !!! Integrity !!!
Queenie, please show us some evidence that Obama has ANY intention of forcing any physician or hospital to perform abortions.
I have asked before and you haven’t responded.Tell us, are you the one lacking in integrity?
Catholic hospitals threaten to resist Obama abortion bill
http://ljworld.com/news/2009/mar/06/catholic-hospitals-threaten-resist-obama-abortion-/
It is impossible you aren’t aware of this controversy…therefore I must conclude you are only interested in character assassination…
Judging by your hatred of Christianity, its position against homosexuality in particular, and your habit of calling men “Queens” or other feminine names…that you are a homosexual with an agenda…
Now it is unlikely that will get you anywhere with Obama…he is married…to a woman.
Therefore your efforts will achieve the same as one hand clapping….and about as entertaining as watching one wrestler…
But if you add to your Obama songs of love, music made by rubbing your hind legs together….
I think the sign sums it up precisely:
Obama
+
Notre Dame
=
Treachery
If any Christian (including non Catholics) support Notre Dame financially, they should withdraw it…
Money does talk.
So Fusion, do you think Catholic hospitals should provide abortions if they are getting public money, part of the Medicare/Medicaid program, part of national health care service?
#107,
Chathlic Hospitals should provide some standard of care to rape victims. If a rape victim asks for emergency contraceptive they should provide it. As it is now, they do not.
Also that top 10 list from a blogger is filled with the types of dishonest and lies that have come to define the militant-retard movement. Obama supports abortion, and has never apologized for that. That Blogger wants to expand that support for abortion in “Obama supports infanticide”
If you want to word smith and parse Obamas statement so that you interpret it as Obama likes to kill babies, you go ahead and run with that. That is why no one listens to you guys anymore.
# 108 GregA said, on April 7th, 2009 at 8:32 am
#107,
Chathlic Hospitals should provide some standard of care to rape victims. If a rape victim asks for emergency contraceptive they should provide it. As it is now, they do not.
Catholic doctors will not kill children, regardless whether they are just a few cells big, or fully grown.
Obama supports abortion, and has never apologized for that. That Blogger wants to expand that support for abortion in “Obama supports infanticide”
If you want to word smith and parse Obamas statement so that you interpret it as Obama likes to kill babies, you go ahead and run with that. That is why no one listens to you guys anymore.
Obama voted a number of times, as a state senator, to extend the mothers choice, even to babies who survive an abortion…
So there is the child, crying for help, outside the womb, its mother wanted it aborted….Obama 3 times, voted to kill the child=infanticide.
Your ignorance of the facts proves you never listened to anyone who knew what they were talking about.
#104 “If the baby was brought to term, it would have killed her.”
This situation (life-threatening pregnancy) is in fact an exception where abortion is acceptable to the Catholic position (as they have stated) and I would hope anti-abortion people in general. If forced to pick between the mother and fetus, the mother has to win. It’s pretty common sense.
So nobody including Catholics would disagree with you in this case.
Those are exceptionally tragic and unusual cases, like lifeboat paradoxes.
#109,
That you are a retard, and militant, makes you a militant-retard.
First you are militant. Lets define that shall we? From Encarta – “aggressive: extremely active in the defense or support of a cause, often to the point of extremism”
Next we need to define retard. A quick look in the urban dictionary reveals: “A person born with a mental condition and therefore has to work a million times harder to be able to do simple things (such as learn and communicate) that we take for granted.”
You are a person who is determined to remain ignorant to the point of extremism. It has organic causes. You are a militant-retard.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/072005100K6.htm
They were already protected. And when the militant-retard bill passed in 2005 it had all the corrections to it that Obama demanded before he supported it.
It was a militant-retard attempt to semantically make abortion illegal. Deal with it.
#105, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
Queenie, I think you’ve been taking too many ‘ludes man. Your link said nothing, oopps, let me restate that NOTHING about forcing any physician or hospital to perform abortions. In other words, an effen straw man argument.
So please find some evidence that shows Obama wants to force physicians and hospitals to perform ANY procedure against their will.
Judging by your hatred of Christianity, its position against homosexuality in particular, and your habit of calling men “Queens” or other feminine names…that you are a homosexual with an agenda…
You are the one who decided to refer to Bobbo and myself as homosexual when we are both happily married to good women. You seem to enjoy that too. I don’t refer to you as “Queenie” in the feminine, but hey if you like the nomenclature, then great. Glad you aren’t offended.
Now it is unlikely that will get you anywhere with Obama…he is married…to a woman.
Which is a far sight better than your position of being married to your right hand. Yet, you judge him by the standard that most conservatives have set for themselves. Not only a silly position, but quite hypocritical.
#109, Billy Bob
So nobody including Catholics would disagree with you in this case.
If only that were true. The local Bishop excommunicated everyone that participated in the procedure, including the mother of the child, the physician, the nurses, and the police. Their position was quite strict, no abortion for any reason at all even when the health of the mother is in question or in cases of rape.
#109, Billy Bob,
Here, read this,
I misspoke earlier. I should have mentioned she was actually pregnant with twins.
# 112 Mr. Fusion said, on April 7th, 2009 at 10:19 am
#105, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
Queenie,….
# 112 Mr. Fusion said, on April 7th, 2009 at 10:19 am
#105, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
Queenie, I think you’ve been taking too many ‘ludes man. Your link said nothing, oopps, let me restate that NOTHING about forcing any physician or hospital to perform abortions. In other words, an effen straw man argument.
So please find some evidence that shows Obama wants to force physicians and hospitals to perform ANY procedure against their will.
Judging by your hatred of Christianity, its position against homosexuality in particular, and your habit of calling men “Queens” or other feminine names…that you are a homosexual with an agenda…
You are the one who decided to refer to Bobbo and myself as homosexual when we are both happily married to good women…
I don’t believe you…bobbo probably, you…no way…no straight talks like you…
Platonic marriage?
# 112 Mr. Fusion said, on April 7th, 2009 at 10:19 am
#105, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
Queenie,….
# 112 Mr. Fusion said, on April 7th, 2009 at 10:19 am
#105, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
Queenie, I think you’ve been taking too many ‘ludes man.
I showed my gay employee the above and he said:
“there is no closet in cyberspace”
my gay employee
Ruh roh.
#114 Thank you for bringing this case to my attention I wasn’t aware of it.
It appears that the bishop’s position centers around whether the outcome could have been managed to a solution where everyone survived, for example by early inducement. The story about the girl’s uterus being too small, for example, is belied by the fact that the termination occurred at 20 weeks, just short of viability. The girl seems to have sadly become a football tossed around by political interest groups.
It’s a very difficult moral dilemma and I agree that that bishop totally mishandled it.
# 117 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on April 7th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
my gay employee
Ruh roh.
Only one gay male, three lesbians…
Mr. Fusion won’t come out because he wants his pro gay/anti Christian rant taken seriously…as though he arrived at his positions via rational thought.
He has given me no reason to take him seriously…
# 118 Billy Bob said, on April 7th, 2009 …
It’s a very difficult moral dilemma and I agree that that bishop totally mishandled it.
CNN? Never trust the media to report accurately…today they are advocates for particular positions, completely in the tank for most left causes and Obama….
The first indication they are leaving something out…is the conclusion the bishop mishandled the situation…more than likely that means they didn’t give you the information that would show the bishop acted consistent with his faith.
In other words…I believe the bishop is right UNTIL I have an unbiased report of the entire context of his decisions….usually the latter will confirm the leftist agenda of those bringing this story to your attention.