Comments on: The Other Side of the Somali Pirate Story http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:08:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Logic Black Hole http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-3/#comment-1514714 Logic Black Hole Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:10:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1514714 Let me give you an analogy. I live in a nice neighborhood. You live in a crappy neighborhood. If I drive my car past your neighborhood, it's OK to steal my car and everything in my trunk simply because you're poor? When did being poor become an excuse to start breaking the law with no consequences. Eastern Europe was as poor as it got after WWII. However, they started building and bringing in business to improve their economy and infrastructure. They WORKED to improve their lives instead of feeding off the success of others. Let me give you an analogy.

I live in a nice neighborhood. You live in a crappy neighborhood. If I drive my car past your neighborhood, it’s OK to steal my car and everything in my trunk simply because you’re poor? When did being poor become an excuse to start breaking the law with no consequences. Eastern Europe was as poor as it got after WWII. However, they started building and bringing in business to improve their economy and infrastructure. They WORKED to improve their lives instead of feeding off the success of others.

]]> By: johnypaycut http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-3/#comment-1512298 johnypaycut Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:24:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1512298 I see natural selection at work here. may be some will not listen when warned that they'r poluting waters near somalai? so just go right ahead and eat that fish.. we'l see if the polution is present? i'd like to say this as well? if you want a "world economy" you'v got to treat all people fair, not all of somalai are pirates. I see natural selection at work here. may be some will not listen when warned that they’r poluting waters near
somalai? so just go right ahead and eat that fish..
we’l see if the polution is present?
i’d like to say this as well? if you want a “world economy” you’v got to treat all people fair, not all of somalai are pirates.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-3/#comment-1511341 ECA Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:21:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511341 deow, the only places the USA GOV. has stuck their NOSE in, is when there is OIL, or corp backing.. Every time there is something WE CAN DO, NOT involving OIL, we dont do ANYTHING.. deow,
the only places the USA GOV. has stuck their NOSE in, is when there is OIL, or corp backing..
Every time there is something WE CAN DO, NOT involving OIL, we dont do ANYTHING..

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-3/#comment-1511340 MikeN Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:15:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511340 >Why can’t these huge vessels have armed patrol boat escorts? How many trips do you think are made? How much is each patrol escort? >Why can’t these huge vessels have armed patrol boat escorts?

How many trips do you think are made? How much is each patrol escort?

]]> By: jk http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-3/#comment-1511334 jk Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:01:31 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511334 Questions re recent attack on American vessel: why has FBI prevented questioning of US crew? Why hasn't captain been interviewed? Why all the secrecy???? Why can't these huge vessels have armed patrol boat escorts? Or why don't they arm themselves as merchant vessels did in 18th and 19th centuries? Hard to believe the Somali pirates in small boats can capture big ships over and over again. Questions re recent attack on American vessel: why has FBI prevented questioning of US crew? Why hasn’t captain been interviewed? Why all the secrecy???? Why can’t these huge vessels have armed patrol boat escorts? Or why don’t they arm themselves as merchant vessels did in 18th and 19th centuries? Hard to believe the Somali pirates in small boats can capture big ships over and over again.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511324 deowll Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:13:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511324 The poor and the innocent didn't supply the boats and guns. The men on the boats are no longer innocents. Yeah the place needs a government but the only way to give them one is move in and shoot a lot of people. You want the job? Do you want us to do the job? Have various slim balls been screwing over these people? Sure but is it our job to fix it? We weren't even on the suspects list. Fixing other peoples messes is how we ended up in various wars in locations a long way from home. The poor and the innocent didn’t supply the boats and guns.

The men on the boats are no longer innocents.

Yeah the place needs a government but the only way to give them one is move in and shoot a lot of people.

You want the job?

Do you want us to do the job?

Have various slim balls been screwing over these people? Sure but is it our job to fix it? We weren’t even on the suspects list.

Fixing other peoples messes is how we ended up in various wars in locations a long way from home.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511223 ECA Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:14:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511223 For those that want proof... You have to get an independent nation to become CONCERNED and want to show whats happening.. also know as, SOMEONE ELSE must give a S#$#$ whats going on, then to just throw STONES at a nation trying to survive.. For those that want proof…
You have to get an independent nation to become CONCERNED and want to show whats happening..

also know as,
SOMEONE ELSE must give a S#$#$ whats going on, then to just throw STONES at a nation trying to survive..

]]> By: BryanP http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511165 BryanP Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:43:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511165 #12 <i>I doubt if killing every single Somali pirate would solve it for any length of time. But it might send a message.</i> a) It sure would cut down on recidivism. b) Yep. "Don't attack that ship. It's got a US flag. Bad juju." #12 I doubt if killing every single Somali pirate would solve it for any length of time. But it might send a message.

a) It sure would cut down on recidivism.
b) Yep. “Don’t attack that ship. It’s got a US flag. Bad juju.”

]]> By: James Hill - Owning Uncle Dave as long as he's posted. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511104 James Hill - Owning Uncle Dave as long as he's posted. Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:11:47 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511104 More apologist hype from those who have already failed. Just because America won is no reason to get pissy, liberals. More apologist hype from those who have already failed. Just because America won is no reason to get pissy, liberals.

]]> By: Sea Lawyer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511089 Sea Lawyer Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:30:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511089 #28, <i>"And if the US were to conquer Somalia to prevent this dumping, and provide a government"</i> It's not like Somalia is some big region of lawless anarchy. Much of the "governance" there has just become very decentralized. Sort of like how much of Africa was before the Europeans came around and eventually decided to arbitrarily draw borders, dividing it up amongst themselves. #28, “And if the US were to conquer Somalia to prevent this dumping, and provide a government”

It’s not like Somalia is some big region of lawless anarchy. Much of the “governance” there has just become very decentralized. Sort of like how much of Africa was before the Europeans came around and eventually decided to arbitrarily draw borders, dividing it up amongst themselves.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511038 Mr. Fusion Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:30:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511038 #1, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen, I searched for your story you posted. The only <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Police+Brutality+Protesters+March+on+Justice+Dept.%3B+Black+Caucus+Members+Hear+Stories+of+Abuse+About+200+ACORN+protesters+marched+on+the+Justice+Department+yesterday+demanding+that+the+federal+government+investigate+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow"> hit was yours</a> as exactly you have it. So are you making up more bullshit again? Bearing false witness against people? C'mon Queenie, you have to quite with the bullshit. #1, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,

I searched for your story you posted. The only hit was yours as exactly you have it. So are you making up more bullshit again? Bearing false witness against people?

C’mon Queenie, you have to quite with the bullshit.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511037 Mr. Fusion Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:23:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511037 So when are we going to see some evidence that the Somalian beaches are all waste pits? "Some" European companies (countries?) have "dumped" radioactive materials and toxic wastes there. OK, fine, who, how much, and where? Somalia has a rather large coastline. There has been plenty of accusations but the only link told us less then McCullough's referenced story. The pirates recently plaguing shipping aren't interested in compensation for their beach dumps. They are solely looking for booty to loot and extortion money be paid. Whether you call them Pirates, War Lords, or Thieves, they are just the same. They care nothing about the people in Somalia. So when are we going to see some evidence that the Somalian beaches are all waste pits? “Some” European companies (countries?) have “dumped” radioactive materials and toxic wastes there. OK, fine, who, how much, and where? Somalia has a rather large coastline.

There has been plenty of accusations but the only link told us less then McCullough’s referenced story.

The pirates recently plaguing shipping aren’t interested in compensation for their beach dumps. They are solely looking for booty to loot and extortion money be paid. Whether you call them Pirates, War Lords, or Thieves, they are just the same. They care nothing about the people in Somalia.

]]> By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511025 Glenn E. Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:22:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511025 So now we know what's very likely part of those World Trade Conferences talks. Where to dump the some of the stuff that they don't want, and steal some of the stuff that they do want. How about the coast of some country, that the UN allowed to go to hell. Billions have been spent (or wasted) to fix the Iraqi government, and to keep Israel going. But screw Somalia. Let it fall, and we'll exploit their resources that they can no longer defend. That must be part of the 21th century's robber baron strategy. They can no longer find undiscovered nations to exploit. So they bring down some existing ones, every so often. And then loot them. So what country will be next of the chopping block? I'm sure only the CIA and the Bilderbergs know that. So now we know what’s very likely part of those World Trade Conferences talks. Where to dump the some of the stuff that they don’t want, and steal some of the stuff that they do want. How about the coast of some country, that the UN allowed to go to hell. Billions have been spent (or wasted) to fix the Iraqi government, and to keep Israel going. But screw Somalia. Let it fall, and we’ll exploit their resources that they can no longer defend.

That must be part of the 21th century’s robber baron strategy. They can no longer find undiscovered nations to exploit. So they bring down some existing ones, every so often. And then loot them. So what country will be next of the chopping block? I’m sure only the CIA and the Bilderbergs know that.

]]> By: RTaylor http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511018 RTaylor Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:01:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511018 The country will never heal with these tribal warlords in place. Most people know the answer to end this. Move the navel assets into the harbors and shell them flat. You keep it up until they no longer have the ability or will to continue piracy. A lot of innocents will die, and corpses and wounded will be all over the TV. No country have yet to want their flag associated with this. As far as ships being armed, that depends on their registries regulations. The problem is they can't enter a port armed. The country will never heal with these tribal warlords in place. Most people know the answer to end this. Move the navel assets into the harbors and shell them flat. You keep it up until they no longer have the ability or will to continue piracy. A lot of innocents will die, and corpses and wounded will be all over the TV. No country have yet to want their flag associated with this. As far as ships being armed, that depends on their registries regulations. The problem is they can’t enter a port armed.

]]> By: Somebody http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/12/the-other-side-of-the-somali-pirate-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1511014 Somebody Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:07:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=45752#comment-1511014 Oh, Boo-Hoo for the poor Pirates! Stifle, Edith! I guess next time the girls at the drive-though f__k up my order, I'll be justified running over pedestrians. Oh, Boo-Hoo for the poor Pirates!

Stifle, Edith!

I guess next time the girls at the drive-though f__k up my order, I’ll be justified running over pedestrians.

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