A Polish politician has criticized his local zoo for acquiring a “gay” elephant named Ninio who prefers male companions and will probably not procreate.
“We didn’t pay 37 million zlotys ($11 million) for the largest elephant house in Europe to have a gay elephant live there,” Michal Grzes, a conservative councilor in the city of Poznan in western Poland, was quoted as saying.
“We were supposed to have a herd, but as Ninio prefers male friends over females how will he produce offspring?” said Grzes, who is from the right-wing opposition Law and Justice party.
Any nutballs out there who aren’t hungup over everyone else’s sex life?
#79, Now you’re getting sassy again.
You claim polls and the like. I would like to see them, please.
Here is one I found “opinion polls on gay marriage”:
Over the last five years, there has not been any statistical increase in opinion. It has been even at 55-60% +-3% with that equally divided between marriage and civil union.
http://tinyurl.com/2q4uu
It’s not becoming more recognized. It’s become stagnant. And as long as it stays there, the religious conservatives will be happy.
#81 – That’s why in California (one of the most lib states) it has been repeatedly defeated when put to a vote…
Them are facts. Fido has never presented any of course.
# 71 Phydeau said, on April 14th, 2009 at 11:41 am
#65 Poor Alfie, you try so hard, and you throw around some very impressive phrases. If only you knew what they really mean…
We argue it isn’t marriage in the historic meaning of the term.
So what? “Driving a car” isn’t “transportation” in the historic meaning of the term, but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t drive cars because our forefathers didn’t.
The word “car” meaning “automobile” was invented when the car was invented…dickhead.
You want homo marriage, a “new invention,” then you need a new word…might I suggest PERVNUPTIAL
Its as though you desire stool for your lunch…and insist it be put on the church menu…
Your eating doesn’t affect us…but don’t force us to call it “food”, or your activity, “a meal”, its not.
By this (faulty) logic, vegetarians could force meat eaters to stop eating meat… replace “stool” with “meat” in the above statement and there it is, your flawed logic in all its glory.
By this sound analogy I said I a free man, endowed with certain inalienable rights by my Creator, and these are guaranteed in our constitution, the freedom of conscience, religion…
You have no right to force me to adopt perversion, as normal, and require I call it by any name other than what I, as a free American, have decided it is.
You and Fusie can prance limp wristed in the moon light all you want, don’t go to my church and expect we will consider you lawfully married…I don’t care if Rev. Wright officiated…sodomites are sodomites, period.
It doesn’t matter to us what you sodomites do among yourselves…we only object to your requiring our approval…via force of law…like the tyrants our religious forebears fled from when they founded this country.
Freedom loving people will demonstrate tomorrow…against liberal loon tyranny….we don’t want your perverts teaching our children your sick ways…and in 2010 we will teach that fact to Congress…and in 2012, to your baby killing president.
68 Phydeau “So what’s your point in bringing up AIDS?”
AIDS was one example contrary to Mr. Fusion’s belief that as a civilization we would only do things that are beneficial:
If it is harmful to the existence of the human race, we don’t do it… If it is not harmful, we allow it
RBG
#84 OK, I get it, but there are lots of things we do to ourselves that aren’t beneficial… smoking, eating too many oreos, etc. And there are other STDs besides AIDS. It just seemed kind of coincidental we were talking about homosexuality and you mentioned AIDS.
#83 OK, now wipe all the spit off your screen, Alfie
#81 From the survey:
18-45 years old 41 23 32
45-64 29 32 35
65 & older 18 27 47
Marriage, Civil Union, and Nothing are the three columns. Notice a trend there? Approval goes up as age goes down. Like I said, the old folks have the hardest time accepting it. I have a 14 year old daughter in 9th grade. She has openly gay friends and sees nothing wrong with it. The children are our future, ya know.
dagnabbit, no formatting here… grrr
18-45 years old… 41 23 32
45-64 years old… 29 32 35
65+.. years old… 18 27 47
Now Alfie, don’t disappoint me… I expect a fire’n'brimstone sermon on exposing innocent children to those EEEEEVUL homosexuals…
89 Phydeau. You mean like how kids look to others as role models, that sort of thing?
RBG
# 89 Phydeau said, on April 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Now Alfie, don’t disappoint me… I expect a fire’n’brimstone sermon on exposing innocent children to those EEEEEVUL homosexuals…
Homosexuals aren’t evil, liberal loon tyrants are evil.
God loves all men…and homosexuality is just one sin among others that separates us from God’s love, that we must repent of, and believe in Jesus Christ to be saved.
The evil is leftist tyranny, their fascism…where they practice the politics of personal destruction to enforce THEIR godless ways upon the rest of us…labeling us as homophobes etc…just because we don’t agree with their perversion.
An analogy, leftists won’t be happy until stool eating is called nutritious, and a substitute for good food, and stool put on the church menu.
That’s where you go too far…violate my rights as a Free American, to worship God as I see fit, and believe what I want to believe, and practice what is right according to my conscience.
I don’t discriminate against “gays” in the secular realm….but I do in the religious realm because all sin, including homosexuality, is an affront to my God…a rebellion against what He says is right.
And no rebel has eternal life in him.
My beef is when you violate my freedom of speech and religion and demand I call homosexual unions “an alternative life style” and insist my church hire them in ministry…or my children accept them as teachers.
Then you violate the very rights that led to the creation of this country.
God in the Bible defines what is good or bad…I accept His definitions and when you insist they are wrong, I say it is you who are wrong.
When I say it, I prove it, showing all the arguments you bring to bear on the issue, are unsound.
Liberals in general, loons in particular, don’t argue soundly for their positions, that would require critical thinking and they didn’t arrive at their conclusions via rational thought….
They believe what they believe because they think it makes them superior to “republicans…right wing…wingnuts…etc”.
Liberal loon tryants practice the “politics of personal destruction” to “win” the argument…the fallacy of ad hominem from start to end.
The reverse is true with conservatives…we predicate our ideas upon rational premises that naturally spring from God have endowed us with certain inalienable rights…with freedom of conscience…the right to choose for myself which way I will go.
In my business, I don’t discriminate at all, sexual preference is irrelevant.
In my religion, I certainly do, because the good book says all must repent, and believe in Christ….and it lists homosexuality with fornication, adultery, as one of those sins folks must repent from.
There ya go, Alfie… good rant.
Everything in the bible is absolutely true. How do you know? The bible tells you so! 
…and insist my church hire them in ministry…
Classic wingnut strawman… no one is telling you to hire homosexuals in your church.
…demand I call homosexual unions “an alternative life style”…
No one’s telling you to call it anything, Alfie, they’re just telling you to butt out of their business, which you just can’t seem to do.
…or my children accept them as teachers.
This sounds familiar… ah yes, your spiritual forefathers said the same things about black people…
…and it lists homosexuality with fornication, adultery, as one of those sins folks must repent from.
Jesus never talked about homosexuality. He did talk about adultery and divorce. You’d think these so-called Jesus followers would focus more on what Jesus talked about. But that would be a much harder task, trying to ban adultery and divorce — it would be harder on them, specifically, because those are sins they are tempted by. It’s much easier to cast stones out of their glass houses onto people who commit a sin that they themselves would never commit, makes them feel oh so morally superior.
Oh Lord, protect me from your followers!
# 92 Phydeau said, on April 15th, 2009 at 5:51 am
There ya go, Alfie… good rant. Everything in the bible is absolutely true. How do you know? The bible tells you so!
There you go again again…evading the facts.
I shot down your argument…your use of fallacy exposed….so you change the subject to the Bible because your fellow loons salivate like Pavlov’s dog the mere mention of it…
their tiny brains go on station identification as they knees jerk in liberal loon unison…
This isn’t about the Bible…its about MY freedom as an American, to practice my religion and freedom of speech…just as Americans have traditionally done.
Its ironic…if you loons win, and you may…you will eventually rue the day. The same attitude you bring to us…your rulers will bring to you…as they incrementally take away every freedom you currently have…but are too stupid to be thankful for.
#93 I know arguing with a fundie is usually a waste of time, but…
This isn’t about the Bible…its about MY freedom as an American, to practice my religion and freedom of speech…just as Americans have traditionally done.
If gays are allowed to marry, you will still have your freedom of speech. You can proclaim to the heavens how much you hate gay marriage. You will still have the freedom of religion. No one will come and padlock your church, or force you to hire homosexuals. ALL your freedoms will still be intact.
Sorry to break it to you, but the freedom to prevent gay people from getting married isn’t in the Constitution, last time I checked…
But you lie. It is about the bible, or rather, your particular interpretation of the bible. You have said so numerous times in this thread. But you know what, you bible-thumpers have a pretty unsavory history in this country. Your spiritual forefathers have used “the bible tells me so” in the following ways:
1. To deny freedom for black slaves
2. To deny women the right to vote
3. To deny blacks the right to vote
4. To deny black and white people the right to marry.
All those things were claimed to be against the bible… Blacks had the mark of Cain so they were doomed to slavery, women were supposed to be subservient to men, society will crumble if this is allowed, if black people are allowed to teach my children, blah blah blah. All kinds of noxious bullsh*t.
So you’re treading in some well-worn footsteps there, pal. Just another bigot in a long line of bigots. If you want a Christian Taliban, take your fellow bigots off to an uninhabited island somewhere and create your heaven on earth. I know the rest of us will be happy too after you’ve left.
Yeah, we’re going to win, and you’re going to lose. And the only question is, will some right-wing nutcase go off the deep end like Timothy McVeigh and try to blow something up in protest.
[Tongue in Cheek]
Re: Women voting — society will crumble if this is allowed
Is it any coincidence that since we let them vote things have been going down the shitter?
[/Tongue in Cheek]
#93–Alfie==”This isn’t about the Bible…its about MY freedom as an American, to practice my religion and freedom of speech…just as Americans have traditionally done.” //// Hah, Hah. Poor dimwit doesn’t think he is free when other people are allowed to disagree with him.
Alfie==say it plainly. How are your rights affected AT ALL by gays marrying?
We’ll wait.
#96 Good point bobbo… the Fundies are fundamentally (heh) undemocratic in the most important area of their lives, religion. In that arena, there’s a Big Enchilada, what he says, they do, end of story. I can’t help but think that they bring that mindset to the political arena. I’d bet that most fundies would be happy with a Christian Theocracy in the U.S. — this “of the people, by the people, for the people” stuff just distresses them. They aren’t used to thinking for themselves: God said it, they believe it, that settles it.
So they’re talking about democracy but they’re thinking about Theocracy. So when Alfie says gay marriage violates his rights, it violates his wishful thinking of having a Christian Theocracy in which his theology is imposed on everyone else in the country. They just don’t get this whole freedom thing. In their world, their “freedom” is to either do exactly what God tells them to do, or burn in hell for all eternity. Not much freedom there. So why should we expect them to understand freedom in politics if they can’t understand it in religion? I’m sure it’s very distressing to them.
They’re very loud in saying that they don’t separate their politics from their religion, so most of them are probably seeking a God-type figure as their political leader. Thus the phenomenon of them worshiping their political leaders, like they worshiped Bush and Reagan before him.
#97–Phydeau==nicely said. Just a coinkydink you happen to be agreeing with me.
“Freedom is not allowing other people to agree with you, its understanding you are not in a free society unless other people are disagreeing with you.”
Somebody famous said something about like that, I only paraphrase.
If they are gay, let them be, they have a right to love another of the same gender, just as humans do.