A Polish politician has criticized his local zoo for acquiring a “gay” elephant named Ninio who prefers male companions and will probably not procreate.
“We didn’t pay 37 million zlotys ($11 million) for the largest elephant house in Europe to have a gay elephant live there,” Michal Grzes, a conservative councilor in the city of Poznan in western Poland, was quoted as saying.
“We were supposed to have a herd, but as Ninio prefers male friends over females how will he produce offspring?” said Grzes, who is from the right-wing opposition Law and Justice party.
Any nutballs out there who aren’t hungup over everyone else’s sex life?
#59, There probably isn’t any recorded case of a hetero marriage being damaged explicitly by this. But there are other ways society may be damaged. Until we have more evidence to support or refute the supposition that gay marriages are harmless to society, you have to consider the inherent reasons why it is considered taboo in so many cultures.
One thing to consider is whether it affects the morality of the society as a whole? Some believe the sexual revolution of the 60s was the start of a “Brave New World.”
http://tinyurl.com/cwxwxp
In order to understand why there is such a backlash against it, you must first understand where people get their phobias from. Not everybody against the idea is a homophobe. Some may actually be thinking about the bigger picture. You must consider and address those concerns first. Then you attack the rest.
# 53 Phydeau said, on April 14th, 2009 at 5:22 am
#50 Yup, Alfred, about what I expected. Maybe someday you’ll either (a) come out of the closet, or (b) just accept other people and not try to push your morality on them. Logic is wasted on you.
And by the way, we do eat other animals. No matter how unnatural that is.
Argumentum ad hominem, no doubt a popular fallacy in your daisy chain of bug eyed loons…
Next time you go tip toeing through the tulips with “butch”, remember your being a PREvert doesn’t mean you aren’t a PERvert to everyone else.
U may resume grasping your ankles.
# 54 Mr. Fusion said, on April 14th, 2009 at 5:34 am
#50, Alphie, the Quaalude Queen,
Queenie,
The natural use of a cup is to drink from it…the natural use of a hammer is to drive nails…
It seems to me that you don’t understand the difference between natural and supernatural. Cups, hammers, and condoms are not found in nature, they are really supernatural. Eating young, eating the placenta, shitting on next years food supply, and homosexuality are all present in nature.
Civilized behavior is what sets humans apart from animals. If it is harmful to the existence of the human race, we don’t do it, therefore, we don’t eat our young. If it is not harmful, we allow it, such as our propensity to entertain others of our kind or fornicate for pleasure instead of just reproduction. If it is beneficial to the survival to our species, we promote it, such as tribal living.
Another use of a hammer is to swat that fly on your head…
You and flydoo are inconsistent which means you either are lying to us, or too stupid to realize you disprove your own arguments, often in the same post.
For example, you argue humans and animals are equals, therefore homosexuality, if seen in one, is ok in the other…BUT THEN, proving you don’t really think that is true, you say ” Civilized behavior is what sets humans apart from animals.”
Clearly, if we put your brain on top of a razor, it would look like a pea rolling down a four lane highway…
Perhaps you would think better, if Butch wasn’t impacting your brain on a daily basis, when not with Flydoo.
#61 I think the religious taboo on it is pretty simple to explain… successful religions want to grow, grow, grow, which means big families, lots of children. Adults who insist on not procreating are a bad thing, so everyone is encouraged to marry and have kids, and anyone who doesn’t is frowned upon.
As far as the link… yawn… another attempt to link pedophilia to homosexuality. That has long been disproven. The vast majority of pedophiles are straight males. Should we ban heterosexuality to get rid of pedophilia?
OK, now I’m suspecting Alfred was sexually molested as a child, by a man… all that anger has got to come from somewhere… whatever it is, dude, get some therapy. Hating like that will eat you up inside.
# 59 Phydeau said, on April 14th, 2009 at 6:54 am
#57 The gay marriage opponents might have case if they could produce one heterosexual couple whose marriage has been harmed by two gay people getting married. They blather on about the terrible, terrible danger, but there is simply no evidence for what they assert. They wave their hands and say “marriage” has been harmed. Well, “marriage” is not an existing entity, it’s a concept. It can’t be “harmed”. If they want to claim that allowing gay marriage has caused more hetero divorces, or an increase in domestic violence in hetero marriages, or anything like that, let them present their evidence. But they haven’t because there is none.
How about our chief homophobe, Alfred. Hey Alfie, tell us how your heterosexual marriage has been harmed by those gays in Vermont, Iowa, California and Massachusetts getting married. Tell us all about the devastating effect. We’re all ears.
You argue a Straw man fallacy, so weak even birds shit on its head undisturbed.
I’ve NEVER heard anyone argue gay marriage affects us…
We argue it isn’t marriage in the historic meaning of the term.
Its as though you desire stool for your lunch…and insist it be put on the church menu…
Your eating doesn’t affect us…but don’t force us to call it “food”, or your activity, “a meal”, its not.
Don’t worry if your mind wanders…its too weak to go very far.
I expected improement in your argumentation…identifying the fallacies should have embarrassed you.
But it would affect your status in the daisy chain,having grown up to be the kind of man our mothers warned us against.
60. Phydeau.
Oh wow, someone who still can’t read a reply. How quaint.
Let me assist: 54 Mr. Fusion.”If it is harmful to the existence of the human race, we don’t do it, therefore, we don’t eat our young. If it is not harmful, we allow it, such as our propensity to entertain others of our kind or fornicate for pleasure instead of just reproduction.”
RBG
What never ceases to amuse me is that the religious right COULD use homosexuality in animals to disprove Evolution by clamining that if Homosexuality leads to an evolutionary cul de sac since the gay & lesbian animals do not produce any offspring, then why homosexual animals are still being born? Shouldn’t Evolution weeded that out?
But alas, they’re too busy demonizing homosexuality while they tap dance in public restrooms.
#66 So what’s your point in bringing up AIDS? People catch AIDS from homosexual activity and from heterosexual activity. The vast majority of AIDS cases are from heterosexual activity.
Looks like you’re saying we should ban heterosexual sex because so many people get AIDS from it.
Seriously, what’s the point in bringing up AIDS?
#64, Religion is certainly an aspect of the taboo but it might be argued it was taboo long before organized religion took hold.
Where are the great married Gay Kings of Asia or Africa or Europe?
As far as the link… yawn… another attempt to link pedophilia to homosexuality. That has long been disproven.
Personally, I don’t see a link. However, they aren’t discussing a link, but the “morals” that allow it openly. The same ones that promote promiscuity.
And whether you agree with it or not, that is what you are up against — not Redneck Billy and the Ruffians. You are up against organized and intelligent people doing research. However biased you may claim it is, they’re getting people’s attention. All this screaming in the streets is going to do nothing but bring Billy out for a little bit of Friday night gay-bashing.
You have got to show people there is no link. They only way to do that is to provide evidence that openly gay societies are not trying to promote pedophilia. And right now, you are losing.
#68
“The charts below show how adults and adolescents (aged 13 and over) living with AIDS most likely became infected with HIV. Just over 75% of adults and adolescents living with AIDS are men.”
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#65 Poor Alfie, you try so hard, and you throw around some very impressive phrases. If only you knew what they really mean…
We argue it isn’t marriage in the historic meaning of the term.
So what? “Driving a car” isn’t “transportation” in the historic meaning of the term, but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t drive cars because our forefathers didn’t.
Its as though you desire stool for your lunch…and insist it be put on the church menu…
Your eating doesn’t affect us…but don’t force us to call it “food”, or your activity, “a meal”, its not.
By this (faulty) logic, vegetarians could force meat eaters to stop eating meat… replace “stool” with “meat” in the above statement and there it is, your flawed logic in all its glory.
Vegetarians don’t eat meat, but they can’t insist the meat eaters stop eating meat because it’s against the vegetarian’s religion, or ethics, or principles, or whatever. Vegetarians are free to feel disgusted over what the carnivores eat, but they CAN’T STOP THEM FROM EATING MEAT.
So you’re happy with your heterosexual marriage (get it, you’re the vegetarian), and Bob and Steve are happy with their homosexual marriage. But you don’t have the right to tell them what kind of relationship they’re entitled to have, just because you find it disgusting. Capiche?
Thanks for helping me prove my point, Alfred.
Oh, and about this:
I’ve NEVER heard anyone argue gay marriage affects us…
Then why the f*ck are you so upset over it? Get a life, man. And tell you what… after gay marriage becomes law, as it will, eventually — feel free to proclaim as loud and as long as you want that they’re not really married, if that’ll make you feel better, you twit.
#69 You have got to show people there is no link. They only way to do that is to provide evidence that openly gay societies are not trying to promote pedophilia. And right now, you are losing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof
Actually, pal, you have to prove that “openly gay” societies are trying to promote pedophilia. I mean hard scientific evidence, not Creationist-style “evidence”. You can’t assume something is true (from your prejudice) and then challenge someone to prove it’s wrong. Doesn’t work that way. That’s the Argument From Ignorance, otherwise knows as a Negative Proof. Logical fallacy.
The people who believe that societies that accept homosexuality also promote pedophilia are the bigots who equate homosexuality with pedophilia, when they are clearly not equivalent.
Nice try, but your bigotry is showing.
#72, Nice try, but your bigotry is showing.
Whatever.
I’m already on record as stating I have no problem with it.
I am showing what you are up against. I’m already happily married so it isn’t any skin off of my teeth.
However, attacks seem to be what you are best at when backed into a corner. Why not try a lucid argument instead?
And FYI: Proving a negative is not what this is about. Changing public opinion is. The unwashed masses don’t know you can’t disprove a negative (did I get all my false positives right?).
#72 – http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431
Start your research engines…
#74 Right-wingers equate homosexuality with pedophilia! In other equally astonishing news, the sun has been reported to rise in the east.
#73 What we’re up against is people who are disgusted by homosexuality, or it’s against their religion, or they’re closet cases, and they’re trying to institutionalize their fear and hatred into our laws.
And you might want to rethink who’s backed into a corner when you read that polls consistently show that young people are in favor of gay marriage. So it’s just a matter of time. It will happen, and the Republic won’t fall, and years from now people will wonder what the fuss was all about. And people like Alfred will be left muttering darkly in their homes, looking like crazy people.
But we’ve beat this into the ground, and I’ll end with one final fact: Polls show that people who actually know a gay person are generally supportive of gay marriage.
#75 like I said. Start the research engines. This is an area that lacks much genuine scientific research…
#76–Paddy-O-Catholic==nice link there to World Net. Couldn’t the study be read as indicating that Catholicism is the greatest pedophilia threat? That was one of the themes in Lenard Cohen’s “Beautiful Losers.” Sexual Perversion–just one of the paths to salvation.
#73, What we’re up against is people who are disgusted by homosexuality, or it’s against their religion, or they’re closet cases, and they’re trying to institutionalize their fear and hatred into our laws.
You could be correct. Have any proof?
And you might want to rethink who’s backed into a corner
I’m not the one who started the mud-slinging in the middle of the discussion. Why should someone who isn’t feeling threatened lash out?
But we’ve beat this into the ground, and I’ll end with one final fact: Polls show that people who actually know a gay person are generally supportive of gay marriage.
Again, probably true, and I wouldn’t doubt it. Any proof, though?
This is all opinion. Until you start producing facts to back up your claims, it’s just wishful thinking. Seriously.
#78 You must be new to this debate. It’s been going on for years, and these are some well-established facts of the debate. A few minutes of googling will get you the information.
There are other reasons to get irate besides being backed in a corner. Being faced with ignorance and bigotry from people like Alfred, for example.
Is the elephant really gay? Just because he likes to hang out with only other males dosen’t mean he’s gay. It would have to be a sexual thing assuming he’s sexually mature in the first place. Get back to me when he actually starts humping (or gets humped) by other male elephants.