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His hands were in his pockets, walking away when they hit him.
A third post-mortem examination on Ian Tomlinson, who died at a G20 protest in London minutes after he was pushed over by a policeman, has been requested.
The request to the City of London coroner is thought to have come from the representatives of an officer interviewed about the death on 1 April.
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A first pathologist, Dr Freddy Patel, concluded that Mr Tomlinson died from coronary artery disease.Dr Nat Cary carried out a second test and found evidence of hardening of Mr Tomlinson’s heart but said it was not sufficient to have caused the man’s death.
He concluded abdominal bleeding had caused his death.
The constable at the centre of the allegations was filmed hitting Mr Tomlinson with his baton and throwing him to the ground.
Patel has a long history of producing coroner’s verdicts that solve no crimes and say whatever prosecutors and police want him to say.
I’d add that the portability, the ease of today’s digital recording is an important part of it all. The dude that recorded this is a Wall Street type visiting from his NY office – just happening by when it occurred.
Fortunately, he has a conscience. Unlike the commander in charge of the police detail.
The man must have had serious underlying medical problems for a simple fall to cause his death. Pushing the man was still uncalled for. Still, I think whatever the UK equivalent of manslaughter charges are appropriate, as the hitting and shoving showed a wanton disregard for the man’s well being.
As an aside, anyone who has ever dealt with cops knows that “hands in pockets” is not a non-threatening posture. Cops want to see your hands, and that they are empty.
it looks to me like this is more of a condemnation of the british health care system than of police misconduct. how long was this guy standing there acting like an ass?? when will people learn, if you have had your chance to protest (the narrator says it was 7 at night?) and the police are now telling you to go home, i would suggest you listen. right or wrong, these situations always end up bad for the citzens. what im wondering is how many times the police told him and the others to begin moving back and they were not? remember also that these policemen in a major city like london are probably trained to think that people who dont listen to direct orders could be holding a bomb or something to start a terrorist act. not that this guy is, but they have to act as if he could be. heck, these terrorists use kids and women as suicide bombers so that is how the police train. and as #2 says, hands in pockets is NOT a non-threatening posture. he could have had a gun or a triggering device in his pockets. its a sad story all around, but in the heat of the moment, i believe this cop did the right thing
In slo-mo, the guy was pushed and fell with his hands breaking the fall. If this caused his death the next time he fell would have also…
He was intentionally “dragging his feet” while the cops were trying to clear the street. Idiot.
#3 – I disagree and am glad I don’t live in your world.. Terrorist acts are so few and far between that I refuse to live my life in fear of them..
#5 yes you are right, they are few and far between. but when your job is to protect the citzens from these terrorists, how would you act?? and, i hate to say, but just by posting proves that you DO live in my world, virtual or no…..
#3 – “condemnation of the british health care system”
You nailed it!
#4 – intentionally “dragging his feet…idiot”
Excellent comment. The guy is a perfect example of Dawrin’s theory. Glad he is out of the gene pool.
I do enjoy the fact that provoking a response from the cops was the guys intent. I guess on the one hand he got what he deserved for being an A-Hole. Then again, Britian has definitely one damned fascist state with crappy healthcare. You’d be ignorant to think the US any better though.
While I agree the police used excessive force, he didn’t seem to be walking very sure-footedly prior to the shove. It’s hard to tell with such little camera time on him, but my first time seeing this, I got the initial impression by the few seconds before the shove that he was drunk.
The shove was uncalled for – no doubt. But I’m inclined at this point to think something else was the cause of this unfortunately death.
#6 said – yes you are right, they are few and far between. but when your job is to protect the citzens from these terrorists, how would you act??
simple.. i wouldn’t have shoved him to the ground..
I am quite amazed to read so many idiotic comments here who are calling the poor dead man as idiot. So you’re walking coming from work to home with hands in your pockets, and then you deserved to be pushed, right?
What happened to just telling the guy to move instead of pushing him? Was this guy threatening the police? Why was he humiliated like this? I hope that it happens to some of you here who are calling this guy an idiot and wish you’re family will suffer by looking at your death video and being pushed by police.
Thats right….never trust the police.
#11:
hear hear.
#4 Paddy:
“In slo-mo, the guy was pushed and fell with his hands breaking the fall.”
What the hell tape did you watch? Certainly not the one I saw.
The guy goes almost completely out of frame when he hits the ground. You have no idea how he broke his fall. He could’ve smacked his head on the pavement.
Watch it again.
“He was intentionally ‘dragging his feet’ while the cops were trying to clear the street.”
Or he was dragging his feet because he was disoriented from his fall. Either way, I fail to see how dragging ones feet makes being attacked and killed by the police OK.
“Idiot.”
SCREW YOU. This guy was not putting up a fight.
# 11 zorkor said, “What happened to just telling the guy to move instead of pushing him?”
As anyone with eye sight can see, he was being urged on by the cops for quite a while and he decided to move slowly on purpose. Idiot, now removed from the gene pool.
I don’t agree with urban protests. They should protest in some stadium or in some rural area where they don’t disrupt normal life. Any “protest” in open urban areas should call for a crushing police/ military response. If someone doesn’t like Western governments; maybe they should leave and enjoy the hospitality of our enemies in Waziristan… while they have their heads connected to their shoulders.
#3 madtruckman:
“he could have had a gun or a triggering device in his pockets”
Oh yeah, so I’m going to PUSH the guy who has his finger on a bomb trigger.
Quit making excuses. It’s obvious they didn’t think this guy was a threat. Just cops beating up on the ‘civilians.’
#14 Santa Maria:
“They should protest in some stadium or in some rural area where they don’t disrupt normal life.”
Then it’s not a protest, you dolt. The whole point of a protest is that it’s a visible disruption.
“Any ‘protest’ in open urban areas should call for a crushing police/military response.”
Please move to an Islamic theocracy, because you think JUST LIKE THEM.
“If someone doesn’t like Western governments; maybe they should leave”
Apply this logic to blacks protesting for the right to vote. Then go jump off a building, please.
To the ignorant people who say this is “Darwin theory” at work and that it is good he was removed from the gene pool, he has adult children. You seem not to understand the most basic principle of Darwinian evolution. It is the job of the organism to pass on it’s genes, he has already done this so is a victor in the battle for survival against thug cops and authors of idiotic commentaries.
Paddy-O, thank you for your blind support of our agenda. It is slaves like you who can not even see whats going on in a video that we rely upon to confuse the issue and keep everyone stupid.
Remember when we come for someone it won’t be you … well until you’re the only one left then guess what? Right up your ass with a billy club paddy-o, you see by the time we get to you we won’t need you anymore. Since you’re an idiot we have utmost confidence that you won’t understand that last sentence.
The cop should be charged with at least assault, and definitely lose his job. The push was unnecessary, cowardly, and very unprofessional. Not the kind of behavior I would want on any police force.
#14
It sounds like YOU are the one that doesnt like the western form of governments. They are (supposedly) governing on BEHALF of the people, not on behalf of their own interests. If you do not like the fact that you dont live under an iron fisted dictator, why dont you pick one and go live in his country.