Comments on: Did the USSR have a Secret Space Program? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:38:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dave Stern http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-2/#comment-2015170 Dave Stern Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:38:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-2015170 Consider; our propaganda sources (National Security State members) have pronounced Russians as unable to match Western aviation-space achievements, most derived from captured German technology. It took us roughly 10 years to yield Redstone, slightly improved over the V-2, yet the Russians increased the range of V-2 derivatives in shorter span of time, since Army Intel Teams were ordered to leave the specialized V-2 production machinery intact inside the Harz Mountain facility in Germany. They like us created a whole range of winged spacecraft projects, as did we here in USA. I've collected a number of Bell boost-glider research projects, the many-varied classified Dyna Soar variants stretched, redesigned, widened, and fitted with weapons such as missiles, and even cannon or projectile shooting..read gun type weapons. They were designed at Bell, Martin, Boeing, and other aerospace firms to fulfil the specifications issued by USAF under SR-181. This Doc laid out plans from 1957 or so into the early 1960s something called the EOMSF...Earth Orbital Military Space Force. Planned to become operational in the late 1960s early 1970s, Dyna Soar, lifting body and other designs would form the bulk of the EOMSF, as orbital bombers, orbital bombardment platforms, Sat-Killers, rescue craft, orbital CC platforms (Command & Control it was called in the 1960s), supply vehicles such as SLOMAR and others, on-station research labs, servicing-repair vehicles, either 1 or two man maneuverable units, such as Bell's REMORA service-repair capsule with tools and arms, and a host of other vehicles from low-earth orbit into cis-lunar space, and beyond as in Project Orion. SR-181 is still classified and is a very touchy subject as one researcher found out during the Cheney Administration, when requsting copies of that series of project studies. He was visited by people from the Nat'l Security State. USA is an open society hence, heavily infiltrated by Soviet agents who stole, bought, copied, snagged any information concerning our classified aeronautical programs, especially space projects. Their range of space planes ran in parallel with ours, and were projected to operate in the above metioned categories for our SR-181. It is not whether the Russians have or had a secret space program, but what projects did they create within a Black Projects cover similar to our still existing Black Projects Community. Nuff siad. Consider; our propaganda sources (National Security State members) have pronounced Russians as unable to match Western aviation-space achievements, most derived from captured German technology. It took us roughly 10 years to yield Redstone, slightly improved over the V-2, yet the Russians increased the range of V-2 derivatives in shorter span of time, since Army Intel Teams were ordered to leave the specialized V-2 production machinery intact inside the Harz Mountain facility in Germany. They like us created a whole range of winged spacecraft projects, as did we here in USA. I’ve collected a number of Bell boost-glider research projects, the many-varied classified Dyna Soar variants stretched, redesigned, widened, and fitted with weapons such as missiles, and even cannon or projectile shooting..read gun type weapons. They were designed at Bell, Martin, Boeing, and other aerospace firms to fulfil the specifications issued by USAF under SR-181. This Doc laid out plans from 1957 or so into the early 1960s something called the EOMSF…Earth Orbital Military Space Force. Planned to become operational in the late 1960s early 1970s, Dyna Soar, lifting body and other designs would form the bulk of the EOMSF, as orbital bombers, orbital bombardment platforms, Sat-Killers, rescue craft, orbital CC platforms (Command & Control it was called in the 1960s), supply vehicles such as SLOMAR and others, on-station research labs, servicing-repair vehicles, either 1 or two man maneuverable units, such as Bell’s REMORA service-repair capsule with tools and arms, and a host of other vehicles from low-earth orbit into cis-lunar space, and beyond as in Project Orion. SR-181 is still classified and is a very touchy subject as one researcher found out during the Cheney Administration, when requsting copies of that series of project studies. He was visited by people from the Nat’l Security State.
USA is an open society hence, heavily infiltrated by Soviet agents who stole, bought, copied, snagged any information concerning our classified aeronautical programs, especially space projects. Their range of space planes ran in parallel with ours, and were projected to operate in the above metioned categories for our SR-181. It is not whether the Russians have or had a secret space program, but what projects did they create within a Black Projects cover similar to our still existing Black Projects Community. Nuff siad.

]]> By: V http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1643968 V Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:47:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1643968 From Billy Meier Contact Reports: In the 1950s, a disc was privately flown into space with a Russian woman and three men onboard. The initiators of that undertaking were a group that had taken possession of German plans for flying discs after World War II and created their own organization. Some information about these events unexplainably became public and was later falsified to be about a Russian space capsule. The destruction of communications and control functions of the ship was responsible for it going off coarse and expelled into empty space. From Billy Meier Contact Reports:
In the 1950s, a disc was privately flown into space with a Russian woman and three men onboard. The initiators of that undertaking were a group that had taken possession of German plans for flying discs after World War II and created their own organization. Some information about these events unexplainably became public and was later falsified to be about a Russian space capsule. The destruction of communications and control functions of the ship was responsible for it going off coarse and expelled into empty space.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1537409 deowll Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:51:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1537409 Reusing old posts? I'll add a thought. There is no freaking way that you are going to get something going fast enough to get out of the solar system using hardware that was designed to just get into orbit and back. It's like suggesting that an airliner was accidentally carrying enough fuel to fly around the planet without refueling. No way. Reusing old posts?

I’ll add a thought. There is no freaking way that you are going to get something going fast enough to get out of the solar system using hardware that was designed to just get into orbit and back.

It’s like suggesting that an airliner was accidentally carrying enough fuel to fly around the planet without refueling. No way.

]]> By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1516999 Glenn E. Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:32:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516999 I seem to remember that during Apollo 13's return leg, there was some talk about having the capsule burn up in the atmosphere. Rather than allowing it to orbit the earth as a floating tomb. That was in case the astronauts ran out of air, before getting all the way back. But NASA won't admit to that now, I'll bet. A couple years before 9/11, there was this Tv series called "7 Days", which was about a man traveling back in time that much to change history. They used a large sphere like capsule, because it often ended up in space, as the earth moved out from under it, at the sphere traveled thru time. An earlier experiment in time travel this way, had failed and apparently left a traveler stranded above the earth. In a few of the series' closing credits, they would show the wrecked capsule and an astronauts helmet floating by. This shot was replaced by the network, as I'm sure they didn't like the idea much. And I'll bet it doesn't even appear in syndication anymore. And there's been NO official DVD set, as yet. And when (if ever) there is, I'll bet the floating dead astronaut credit shot will be MIA. Because Hollywood does what it's told to do, by the military/aerospace industrial cabal. I seem to remember that during Apollo 13′s return leg, there was some talk about having the capsule burn up in the atmosphere. Rather than allowing it to orbit the earth as a floating tomb. That was in case the astronauts ran out of air, before getting all the way back. But NASA won’t admit to that now, I’ll bet.

A couple years before 9/11, there was this Tv series called “7 Days”, which was about a man traveling back in time that much to change history. They used a large sphere like capsule, because it often ended up in space, as the earth moved out from under it, at the sphere traveled thru time. An earlier experiment in time travel this way, had failed and apparently left a traveler stranded above the earth. In a few of the series’ closing credits, they would show the wrecked capsule and an astronauts helmet floating by. This shot was replaced by the network, as I’m sure they didn’t like the idea much. And I’ll bet it doesn’t even appear in syndication anymore. And there’s been NO official DVD set, as yet. And when (if ever) there is, I’ll bet the floating dead astronaut credit shot will be MIA. Because Hollywood does what it’s told to do, by the military/aerospace industrial cabal.

]]> By: KD Martin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1516639 KD Martin Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:02:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516639 #22, amodedoma, One could guess it's all either sat to sat warfare, or sat to ground/air warfare. What else is there? The wonderful budget cuts have just cut the Boeing aircraft anti-missile (maybe anti-sat, we don't know) project down to one aircraft. I'll guess the military shuttle launches will be cut, too. #22, amodedoma, One could guess it’s all either sat to sat warfare, or sat to ground/air warfare. What else is there?

The wonderful budget cuts have just cut the Boeing aircraft anti-missile (maybe anti-sat, we don’t know) project down to one aircraft. I’ll guess the military shuttle launches will be cut, too.

]]> By: amodedoma http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1516476 amodedoma Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:34:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516476 I'd like info about the secret space weapons program both the US and USSR have maintained in direct violation of treaties both nations have signed. You don't think all those secret military shuttle missions had the sole purpose of research now do ya? Dead body in space, big deal! I’d like info about the secret space weapons program both the US and USSR have maintained in direct violation of treaties both nations have signed. You don’t think all those secret military shuttle missions had the sole purpose of research now do ya?
Dead body in space, big deal!

]]> By: Paddy-O http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1516314 Paddy-O Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:24:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516314 In 60 - 62 the USSR didn't have launch vehicles large enough to attempt a manned moon shot. In 60 – 62 the USSR didn’t have launch vehicles large enough to attempt a manned moon shot.

]]> By: KD Martin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516311 KD Martin Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:17:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516311 #17, Moose, precisely on target. #17, Moose, precisely on target.

]]> By: soundwash http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516310 soundwash Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:14:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516310 #10: /me attaches another ground strap to tinfoil hat -there is nothing sinister about it. it's just naive to think that all we (the public) know of the space programs is all that their is. what little declassified documents there are show plenty of deception and secrecy as part of the "normal business" of military strategy. one does not need a tinfoil hat to understand that. -s #10:

/me attaches another ground strap to tinfoil hat

-there is nothing sinister about it. it’s just naive to think that all we (the public) know of the space programs is all that their is.

what little declassified documents there are show
plenty of deception and secrecy as part of the “normal business” of military strategy.

one does not need a tinfoil hat to understand that.

-s

]]> By: Rick Cain http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516273 Rick Cain Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:38:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516273 We shouldn't be so arrogant. We lost 14 astronauts recently. We shouldn’t be so arrogant. We lost 14 astronauts recently.

]]> By: Moose http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516256 Moose Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:31:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516256 Holy Bad Science Batman! Nothing the USSR had could push a capsule big enough to hold a human into a Solar System Escape orbit accidentally. Recall that the Voyager probes needed several deliberately planned gravity assists (look it up) to reach System Escape. If the Soviets ever did put a Cosmonaut up and he "missed" lunar orbit, his capsule's still in orbit of the sun somewhere in our system. Just like the spent upper stages of the Saturn Vs. Or, he got caught in one of the planets' gravity wells and went down. Either way, nowhere near Interstellar space. Holy Bad Science Batman!

Nothing the USSR had could push a capsule big enough to hold a human into a Solar System Escape orbit accidentally. Recall that the Voyager probes needed several deliberately planned gravity assists (look it up) to reach System Escape. If the Soviets ever did put a Cosmonaut up and he “missed” lunar orbit, his capsule’s still in orbit of the sun somewhere in our system. Just like the spent upper stages of the Saturn Vs. Or, he got caught in one of the planets’ gravity wells and went down. Either way, nowhere near Interstellar space.

]]> By: Brons http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516247 Brons Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:48:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516247 Not the most reliable source. But I knew about the twobrothes back in the 60's and the story matches what I was hearing about them back then. The story is at least plausible and certainly long lived. Not the most reliable source. But I knew about the twobrothes back in the 60′s and the story matches what I was hearing about them back then. The story is at least plausible and certainly long lived.

]]> By: Joe http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516235 Joe Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:31:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516235 true or not, it was a great read. true or not, it was a great read.

]]> By: Mark T. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516232 Mark T. Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:25:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516232 Excellent read! Thanks for the link. And be assured that there are other secret space programs going on within the Air Force that are outside of NASA visibility. The rumored Aurora and Blackstar programs are only indications of what the Air Force capabilities might be today. Darkstar, a two stage to orbit system with a mothership that resembled the XB-70, was reportedly scrapped after a test phase. It supposedly flew out of Area 51. The Air Force apparently intended to erase it from history. However, Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine reported on it back in 2006 after the program was terminated. The article can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/3ygogk Excellent read! Thanks for the link.

And be assured that there are other secret space programs going on within the Air Force that are outside of NASA visibility. The rumored Aurora and Blackstar programs are only indications of what the Air Force capabilities might be today.

Darkstar, a two stage to orbit system with a mothership that resembled the XB-70, was reportedly scrapped after a test phase. It supposedly flew out of Area 51. The Air Force apparently intended to erase it from history. However, Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine reported on it back in 2006 after the program was terminated. The article can be found here:

http://tinyurl.com/3ygogk

]]> By: Eric http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/25/did-the-ussr-have-a-secret-space-program/comment-page-1/#comment-1516229 Eric Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:47:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47044#comment-1516229 I thought it was SOP for the Russian space agency to not report anything until after the fact, in case things didn't work out. I remember seeing an anniversary of the moon landing show a few years back where they interviewed Walter Cronkite and he pointed out that NASA showed everything live on TV while the Russians would put out a press release with film much later. I thought it was SOP for the Russian space agency to not report anything until after the fact, in case things didn’t work out.

I remember seeing an anniversary of the moon landing show a few years back where they interviewed Walter Cronkite and he pointed out that NASA showed everything live on TV while the Russians would put out a press release with film much later.

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