I’m shocked I tell you shocked that people would claim Cow Patty does not know how to answer a question.

Yawn.

Nor has Cow-Patty ever backed up his claim that Barney Frank blamed the voters for corruption in Washington.

Don’t worry, it’s just obsessive compulsive disorder trigger by an inferiority complex.

It’s a common pattern of Patty’s. He still never answered what made him think that the Obama health plan would be mandatory rather than merely an alternative either.

http://tinyurl.com/cyyls8

Paddy-tr-zero-ll??!!?

YOU still haven’t answered or linked to anything about American committing atrocities and war crimes against civilians.

In this case, I’d say yes.”

Could be, I’m not sure. I watched a couple interviews with Tibbits where he talked about the choosing of targets. The Japs had dispersed any manufacturing and major military targets were very close to civilian population centers. But, you could be right and we did it for the shock value on the leadership to pressure a surrender.

The question in my mind is not about whether we had collateral damage, though an entire city may be unprecedented. The question in my mind is whether we deliberately targeted the civilians.

In this case, I’d say yes.

That’s what I find unconscionable.

If bobbo is correct, and I think he is, that we wanted a good scientific study of the damage, I don’t think that is worth human lives. Perhaps we could have gotten the info some other way. Perhaps we just didn’t need it that badly.

What is really interesting is that at the beginning of WW2, Germany & the UK were very careful to avoid bombing civilian targets. There is an interesting story about how that changed…

http://japan-101.com/history/hiroshima_city_japan_bomb_history.htm

I’ll admit that I am definitely no historian. My mediocre source has been updated and the statement that Hiroshima was not a military target has been removed. Damn wikipedia.

I will say this though …

In an alternate universe, we attacked Japan, hitting a perfectly valid military target of a naval base in an unprovoked attack. They developed the bomb first and hit the strategic centers of Detroit and Houston.

OK?

Whatever anyone thinks of Japan for having attacked us, they did hit a perfectly valid military target, Pearl Harbor.

As for bobbo’s comment, the ends don’t justify the means. Killing the numbers you cite, even if real, would still be predominantly military losses, not civilians. “All’s fair in love and war” is, as Heinlein noted, a contemptible lie.

1. Killing 1 Million japanese by bullets and bayonets during an all out land invasion killing 10K’s Allied as well,

2. 100K Japanese by Firebomb?

Even without Fusions excellent factoids, Nagasaki and Hiroshima had not been bombed during the war as it was being saved to scientifically measure the destruction of the coming bomb. Testing/guaging the effectiveness of this new bomb was a military necessity.

I wish we had the format to really discuss any objection to dropping one Nuke on Japan. The second one, I won’t raise much of an arugment with, although I wouldn’t condemn it either.

The Japs deserved even more than they got for starting the whole thing regardless of subtitles AND they got treated in toto many times better than they ever treated anyone else.

Just a bunch of racist bastards those WW2 Militaristic Japs were. Times change, not all memories should.