Comments on: Help Wanted: School Teacher, Salary $68,000 Plus Bennies, No Effort Required or Expected http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:36:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520770 MikeN Thu, 07 May 2009 15:29:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520770 One in 3000 tenured teachers gets fired per year. One in 3000 tenured teachers gets fired per year.

]]> By: GigG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520693 GigG Thu, 07 May 2009 13:37:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520693 A few months back "This American Life" did a great peice on this happening in the New York City Schools. Great interviews. A few months back “This American Life” did a great peice on this happening in the New York City Schools. Great interviews.

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520684 Benjamin Thu, 07 May 2009 13:22:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520684 Wow, that would be great. I wonder how many novels one could write (and sell) all while being paid for the time spent. Netbooks are small and easy to carry. The day job takes so much time out of my writing time. I want this teaching gig. Wow, that would be great. I wonder how many novels one could write (and sell) all while being paid for the time spent. Netbooks are small and easy to carry. The day job takes so much time out of my writing time. I want this teaching gig.

]]> By: jobs http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520666 jobs Thu, 07 May 2009 12:54:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520666 We had a teacher near where I live that was on administrative leave for 7 years. For three of those years she was teaching at another school. And personally I don't care if this happens in privately owned companies I'm not paying there salaries. We had a teacher near where I live that was on administrative leave for 7 years. For three of those years she was teaching at another school.

And personally I don’t care if this happens in privately owned companies I’m not paying there salaries.

]]> By: Paddy-O http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520655 Paddy-O Thu, 07 May 2009 12:20:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520655 # 8 Greg Allen said, "Knee jerk insulting California!" As a tax payer in CA it is my right. This is the future of health care also... # 8 Greg Allen said, “Knee jerk insulting California!”

As a tax payer in CA it is my right. This is the future of health care also…

]]> By: amodedoma http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520614 amodedoma Thu, 07 May 2009 08:05:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520614 Not surprising coming from california, too many lawyers too little common sense. Teachers deserve their pay and conditions, the real solution to this is hi rez security cameras in every classroom. Taking a student-teacher conflict to a review board in most cases would be unecessary. Not surprising coming from california, too many lawyers too little common sense. Teachers deserve their pay and conditions, the real solution to this is hi rez security cameras in every classroom. Taking a student-teacher conflict to a review board in most cases would be unecessary.

]]> By: Bruno http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520580 Bruno Thu, 07 May 2009 05:00:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520580 So outside of the one extreme example, most of these investigations are carried out relatively fast. Sure, a fair amount of money is being spent but the accused are innocent until proven otherwise. Either the state legislatures should have better laws or the districts should negotiate better terms with the teachers. With the district losing their appeals, the LA school district should drop the case and negotiate a severance agreement to get rid of Mr. Kim. So outside of the one extreme example, most of these investigations are carried out relatively fast. Sure, a fair amount of money is being spent but the accused are innocent until proven otherwise. Either the state legislatures should have better laws or the districts should negotiate better terms with the teachers.

With the district losing their appeals, the LA school district should drop the case and negotiate a severance agreement to get rid of Mr. Kim.

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520578 Greg Allen Thu, 07 May 2009 04:54:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520578 ... also, it seems like these on-leave teachers could still work for the district. Curriculum development and writing lesson plans comes to mind. Or grading paper for other teachers. That contingency should be put in their contracts but I don't see why that's a problems. … also, it seems like these on-leave teachers could still work for the district. Curriculum development and writing lesson plans comes to mind. Or grading paper for other teachers.

That contingency should be put in their contracts but I don’t see why that’s a problems.

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520576 Greg Allen Thu, 07 May 2009 04:50:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520576 Laxdude, My link was to that episode, also. That was a very depressing and weird story -- and very good, as This American Life usually is. This is basically administrative leave, and is not specific to L.A. or teachers. I have no problem with the CONCEPT of it -- that you can keep paying someone until it is determined if they are guilty. A girl in my school accused a teacher of sexual misbehavior and our school canned him, pronto. Then the girl admitted she made it up. The school district had to pay him a huge settlement. It would have been SO MUCH CHEAPER to keep him on paid administrative leave until his guilt was determined. I know $10 million sounds like a lot -- but that's just one good lawsuit. What is inexcusable is that these teacher get stuck in limbo. They and the tax payers deserve prompt resolution of these charges. Laxdude,

My link was to that episode, also. That was a very depressing and weird story — and very good, as This American Life usually is.

This is basically administrative leave, and is not specific to L.A. or teachers.

I have no problem with the CONCEPT of it — that you can keep paying someone until it is determined if they are guilty.

A girl in my school accused a teacher of sexual misbehavior and our school canned him, pronto. Then the girl admitted she made it up. The school district had to pay him a huge settlement. It would have been SO MUCH CHEAPER to keep him on paid administrative leave until his guilt was determined.

I know $10 million sounds like a lot — but that’s just one good lawsuit.

What is inexcusable is that these teacher get stuck in limbo. They and the tax payers deserve prompt resolution of these charges.

]]> By: laxdude http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520569 laxdude Thu, 07 May 2009 04:24:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520569 This American Life did a show on similar places in NYC where they have 3 such facilities. They mentioned it was inspired by a documentary. They make it sound like a prison. tinyurl.com/cf9je5 This American Life did a show on similar places in NYC where they have 3 such facilities. They mentioned it was inspired by a documentary. They make it sound like a prison.

tinyurl.com/cf9je5

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520562 Greg Allen Thu, 07 May 2009 04:00:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520562 David W, Did you go to public schools? Someone paid for that. David W,

Did you go to public schools? Someone paid for that.

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520561 Greg Allen Thu, 07 May 2009 03:59:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520561 Paddy-0, Knee jerk insulting California! Here is an article about the same thing in New York: http://tinyurl.com/cty8px Probably happens in your state. "Paid administrative leave" happens all the time all over the place. That's all this is, right? But, c'mon, this is peanuts compared to the MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR severance packages they give executives, and conservatives defend to no end. Paddy-0,

Knee jerk insulting California!

Here is an article about the same thing in New York:
http://tinyurl.com/cty8px

Probably happens in your state. “Paid administrative leave” happens all the time all over the place. That’s all this is, right?

But, c’mon, this is peanuts compared to the MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR severance packages they give executives, and conservatives defend to no end.

]]> By: LibertyLover http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520549 LibertyLover Thu, 07 May 2009 02:52:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520549 #5, This article is about federal employees but when dealing with a bureaucracy the size of the L.A. system, I think the problems are closely related. http://tinyurl.com/d7gu6n And there are plenty more, non-biased articles out there if you search. Basically, the reason it's hard to fire a civil servant is because there are safety nets in place to prevent cronyism (Bush is gone, fire all Republicans). Unfortunately, when a bureaucracy gets large enough, the safety net becomes a trampoline. #5, This article is about federal employees but when dealing with a bureaucracy the size of the L.A. system, I think the problems are closely related.

http://tinyurl.com/d7gu6n

And there are plenty more, non-biased articles out there if you search.

Basically, the reason it’s hard to fire a civil servant is because there are safety nets in place to prevent cronyism (Bush is gone, fire all Republicans).

Unfortunately, when a bureaucracy gets large enough, the safety net becomes a trampoline.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520523 deowll Thu, 07 May 2009 01:36:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520523 They need to fire them then go to court if they have a case. If they win sue to recover costs. They need to fire them then go to court if they have a case. If they win sue to recover costs.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/06/help-wanted-school-teacher-salary-68000-plus-bennies-no-effort-required-or-expected/comment-page-1/#comment-1520499 MikeN Thu, 07 May 2009 00:08:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=47942#comment-1520499 Can we eliminate teacher tenure? For that matter, all public sector unions? Can we eliminate teacher tenure? For that matter, all public sector unions?

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