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Cold water on waterboarding | Philadelphia Inquirer — Interesting. FYI
A former FBI interrogator who questioned al-Qaeda prisoners testified yesterday that the Bush administration incorrectly declared success from extreme techniques such as waterboarding, when those methods actually were slow, unreliable, and led an important witness to stop talking.
Ali Soufan, testifying to a Senate panel from behind a screen, said his team’s nonthreatening interrogation approach elicited crucial information from al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah, including intelligence on Jose Padilla, who was convicted of supporting an al-Qaeda cell.
Soufan said his team had to step aside when CIA contractors took over. They began using harsh methods that caused Zubaydah to “shut down,” Soufan said, and his team had to be called back.
#99 Alfred1, I’m much less afraid of God than I am of his “servants.” It’s only these minions, acting with what they believe to be the absolute authority of the Creator, who seize me with any sort of terror.
After all, if you believed that God wanted you to kill me, wouldn’t you obey without question?
#99 Only ignorance about God can give you such bliss.
Its impossible God order us to physically attack others…He has already given that job to His angels…our weapons are spiritual, not earthly:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
(2Co 10:4-5 KJV)
We reason, not physically fight.
So you have nothing to fear from those who follow Christ…
So we should leave the waterboarding to the angels then…
#103 You are a hypocrite…I have no doubt you would waterboard and MORE if it meant saving your family from horrible death.
Stop barking without cause…without reason…trying being something other than a deranged moonbat…you will be glad you did…
something about being logically consistent…its a great sense of being truthful to what one really believes.
#102 Alfred1 wrote “Its [sic] impossible God order us to physically attack others… He has already given that job to His angels…”
Your god has apparently changed dramatically from his demeanor in the Old Testament. In those days, he thought nothing of authorizing his servants to attack and kill people (the wicked, wicked enemy and sometimes their children).
So then, how can you be sure that he hasn’t morphed again, revealing his new persona to Muhammad as the Muslims have claimed? Their new revelations about the god of Abraham are actually closer to the Old Testament depiction than the Christian version is. Once you’ve realized that god changes radically over time and makes new covenants, you can no longer be sure that your religion is the latest expression of his divine will.
I didnt ask you if you would USE it in law enforcement, I asked you if you would mind BEING waterboarded, as you may have information which could save the childs life.
#105 Your moonbat barking against all things Christian or God is intellectually bankrupt, without reason…and a tangent.
You would water board to save your family, therefore you are a hypocrite when you condemn those who were lawfully charged without protecting this country…which they did successfully for almost 8 years.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. (Mar 13:27 KJV)
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
(Rev 6:15-17 KJV)
#106 Oh, moonbat logic, I get it.
Waterboarding of terrorists to stop the murder of American families is wrong because I personally might object to being waterboarded for information…
So I might object to being questioned about a crime therefore we must stop all law enforcment questioning of crimminals.
I might object to bathing therefore all bathing should cease.
I might object to voting liberal therefore all voting for liberals must stop!
That last, although arrived at unsoundly, is still a correct conclusion.
I didnt say questioning, im talking about “advanced interogation techniques” or however you want to make torture sound acceptable.
So you think its acceptable to torture terrorists but not criminals? What exactly is the difference? Does a kidnapper not terrorize parents? Does a murder not terrorize those with a life to lose?
Or is the difference that when we respect the rights of individuals and allow due process make a suspect a criminal, and when they are illegaly detained they are a terrorist?
I’m a moonbat barker, and proud of it!!