Comments on: Finally An End To The Obnoxious Car Warranty Robo-call Scam? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:02:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1525135 Benjamin Mon, 18 May 2009 13:33:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1525135 Laze fare does not apply to douche-bagery. If I am taking your time and minutes, I need to provide you something valuable. There is no way to get to a person when these car warranty people get to you. It's not a smart way to do business and it pisses off the potential customers. Laze fare does not apply to douche-bagery. If I am taking your time and minutes, I need to provide you something valuable.

There is no way to get to a person when these car warranty people get to you. It’s not a smart way to do business and it pisses off the potential customers.

]]> By: Ho-Lip Tex http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1525058 Ho-Lip Tex Mon, 18 May 2009 07:50:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1525058 I got 'em three times: #1. I waited until a "human" answered, and then asked her to tell me what vehicle had the expired warranty. When she (no surprise) couldn't, I told her off and hung up :) #2. I fed them some contradictory info about my "Toyota Camry". They eventually caught on and ended the call. #3. Hehe, had the poor sap thinking he was gonna get a sale (fed him bogus, but realistic info). He had to put me on hold for a minute at the last second, at which point I hung up. You could hear the excitement in his voice >:) Moral of the story: don't call me with a telemarketing scheme when I have nothing better to do. I got ‘em three times:

#1. I waited until a “human” answered, and then asked her to tell me what vehicle had the expired warranty. When she (no surprise) couldn’t, I told her off and hung up :)

#2. I fed them some contradictory info about my “Toyota Camry”. They eventually caught on and ended the call.

#3. Hehe, had the poor sap thinking he was gonna get a sale (fed him bogus, but realistic info). He had to put me on hold for a minute at the last second, at which point I hung up. You could hear the excitement in his voice >:)

Moral of the story: don’t call me with a telemarketing scheme when I have nothing better to do.

]]> By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1525045 Glenn E. Mon, 18 May 2009 07:11:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1525045 Apparently the Telcos that provided these clowns the means to communicate their scam, are blameless! And yet, entities like Napster WERE persecuted for aiding piracy ("driving the getaway car"). So why are the Telcos getting off scout free about this? Is the theft of tunes and movies, over the internet, considered the only serious crime?! But helping to propagate bogus warranty plans over the phone, IS NOT?! Let's face it, this scam only effects us NOBODYS! And media piracy effects the super rich. Who apparently get more legal muscle gunning for them, via our government, than the rest of us nobodys do. The Telcos all ought to be fined (substantially) for aiding these scammers. Who very likely knew what want was going on. But choose to profit from their scammer clients. Thus aiding them in breaking the law! If the courts can bring down Napster and others for aiding piracy. Then they can punish AT&T and others for making these "telemarketing" scams possible, too. The deciding logic shouldn't be the lobbyist connections of the victims! But I guess, IT ALWAYS IS!!! Apparently the Telcos that provided these clowns the means to communicate their scam, are blameless! And yet, entities like Napster WERE persecuted for aiding piracy (”driving the getaway car”). So why are the Telcos getting off scout free about this? Is the theft of tunes and movies, over the internet, considered the only serious crime?! But helping to propagate bogus warranty plans over the phone, IS NOT?! Let’s face it, this scam only effects us NOBODYS! And media piracy effects the super rich. Who apparently get more legal muscle gunning for them, via our government, than the rest of us nobodys do.

The Telcos all ought to be fined (substantially) for aiding these scammers. Who very likely knew what want was going on. But choose to profit from their scammer clients. Thus aiding them in breaking the law! If the courts can bring down Napster and others for aiding piracy. Then they can punish AT&T and others for making these “telemarketing” scams
possible, too. The deciding logic shouldn’t be the lobbyist connections of the victims! But I guess, IT ALWAYS IS!!!

]]> By: Uncle Dave http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524846 Uncle Dave Sun, 17 May 2009 19:52:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524846 #17: I worked in the Milwaukee AMC plant one summer in the mid-70's while I was in college. An eye opening experience. #17: I worked in the Milwaukee AMC plant one summer in the mid-70’s while I was in college. An eye opening experience.

]]> By: meetsy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524805 meetsy Sun, 17 May 2009 18:32:49 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524805 I have filed a FCC form online every time these boneheads call. Twenty two times! This scam has been going on for a long time. It's estimated (fcc's LOW estimate) that a billion calls have been made, and many to cell phones. (Which costs the consumer.) One cell phone company actually tried to block them, and were instrumental in getting some action. Verizon sued two warranty scam companies, and WON (April 29,2009) ""Back in March 2008, Verizon launched a lawsuit against Auto Warranty Services and Explicit Media for allegedly placing calls to Verizon mobile customers, using practices that violated the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act. The complaint, filed by Verizon, stated that the companies used illegal autodialers to contact Verizon customers and also used spoofing methods to hide caller identity. Instead of continuing a lengthy court battle, the two companies have now settled with Verizon Wireless for $50,000, which Verizon has decided to donate to the charity, Joyful Heart Foundation, a charity started to aid survivors of sexual assault." There have been several state Attorney General's office who've tried to crack down, but because these guys are crooks, and hide where they are... these scams won't go away until our inept government takes a hard stand. It's not just the auto warranty, but the guys pretending to collect for police officer's benevolent societies, for the online crap...where your debit card is funneled to some company that sucks $5. or $10 bucks out of your account each month (and the bank won't stop it), or the "club benefits" that send out bills to your credit card (i.e. Damark!), or the online service that "forgets" to take you off the list, long after you've discontinued service. We're being bled dry in this country. It's estimated that EVERY single American loses something like $200 a year to scammers. (And that doesn't account for the uber-schmucks who fall for the Nigerian Scam stuff.) Why? Try reading reg-E regarding electronic transfers of your money (debit cards, etc). Our government has been out of the business of protecting us by passing crap <a href="http://www.bankersonline.com/regs/205/205.html" rel="nofollow"><u>such as this</u></a>: You have NO protection....it's all a series of 'gotcha sucka'. And, to think that the current proposed overhaul of credit card fees is being fought tooth-and-nail by banks. We have no credit protection. We are all unattended lambs..circled by wolves. This current "get tough" push is a good thing....I hope it continues. I have filed a FCC form online every time these boneheads call. Twenty two times! This scam has been going on for a long time. It’s estimated (fcc’s LOW estimate) that a billion calls have been made, and many to cell phones. (Which costs the consumer.)
One cell phone company actually tried to block them, and were instrumental in getting some action. Verizon sued two warranty scam companies, and WON (April 29,2009)
“”Back in March 2008, Verizon launched a lawsuit against Auto Warranty Services and Explicit Media for allegedly placing calls to Verizon mobile customers, using practices that violated the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act. The complaint, filed by Verizon, stated that the companies used illegal autodialers to contact Verizon customers and also used spoofing methods to hide caller identity. Instead of continuing a lengthy court battle, the two companies have now settled with Verizon Wireless for $50,000, which Verizon has decided to donate to the charity, Joyful Heart Foundation, a charity started to aid survivors of sexual assault.”
There have been several state Attorney General’s office who’ve tried to crack down, but because these guys are crooks, and hide where they are… these scams won’t go away until our inept government takes a hard stand.
It’s not just the auto warranty, but the guys pretending to collect for police officer’s benevolent societies, for the online crap…where your debit card is funneled to some company that sucks $5. or $10 bucks out of your account each month (and the bank won’t stop it), or the “club benefits” that send out bills to your credit card (i.e. Damark!), or the online service that “forgets” to take you off the list, long after you’ve discontinued service.
We’re being bled dry in this country. It’s estimated that EVERY single American loses something like $200 a year to scammers. (And that doesn’t account for the uber-schmucks who fall for the Nigerian Scam stuff.) Why? Try reading reg-E regarding electronic transfers of your money (debit cards, etc). Our government has been out of the business of protecting us by passing crap such as this:

You have NO protection….it’s all a series of ‘gotcha sucka’. And, to think that the current proposed overhaul of credit card fees is being fought tooth-and-nail by banks.
We have no credit protection. We are all unattended lambs..circled by wolves.
This current “get tough” push is a good thing….I hope it continues.

]]> By: Cephus http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524802 Cephus Sun, 17 May 2009 18:07:13 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524802 I've been getting them too, I even waited to the end, hit 1 to get to an operator and... NOBODY EVER ANSWERED! How in the hell can they stay in business robo-calling everyone when there's nobody there to take anyone's money? Now if they can just get rid of the "we have important information about your credit card account" robo-calls, I'll be happy. I’ve been getting them too, I even waited to the end, hit 1 to get to an operator and… NOBODY EVER ANSWERED! How in the hell can they stay in business robo-calling everyone when there’s nobody there to take anyone’s money?

Now if they can just get rid of the “we have important information about your credit card account” robo-calls, I’ll be happy.

]]> By: Ron Larson http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524710 Ron Larson Sun, 17 May 2009 13:51:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524710 You shouldn't need to put your mobile on the Do-Not-Call list. It is illegal for them to call you on it anyhow. I received two of these robo calls on my mobile. I filed complaints with the FTC's website. They wrote back an official letter that they reviewed my complaint and found there was no violation and was dismissed. And on the back of the very letter they listed how it is illegal for a company to do exactly what my complaint has registered. Amazing. I can't help but think that the FTC is (A) a bunch of idiots or (B) in cahoots with these scammers. So reading this news surprised me that they got off their fat asses and did something. You shouldn’t need to put your mobile on the Do-Not-Call list. It is illegal for them to call you on it anyhow.

I received two of these robo calls on my mobile. I filed complaints with the FTC’s website. They wrote back an official letter that they reviewed my complaint and found there was no violation and was dismissed. And on the back of the very letter they listed how it is illegal for a company to do exactly what my complaint has registered.

Amazing. I can’t help but think that the FTC is (A) a bunch of idiots or (B) in cahoots with these scammers.

So reading this news surprised me that they got off their fat asses and did something.

]]> By: Mac Guy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524669 Mac Guy Sun, 17 May 2009 11:28:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524669 Uncle Dave - Considering I'm originally from Wisconsin, I'm quite well-versed in AMC. I remember it was a sad day when they finally closed. Uncle Dave – Considering I’m originally from Wisconsin, I’m quite well-versed in AMC. I remember it was a sad day when they finally closed.

]]> By: Uncle Patso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524650 Uncle Patso Sun, 17 May 2009 10:34:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524650 We have received these calls on our landline and both our cells. The one good thing that came of it was it reminded us, "Oh yeah! We need to put the cells on the Do Not Call list!" (We just got the cells last year.) The few times they called that I had a few seconds to deal with it, I could never get anyone to come on the line. Weird! The worst call I've gotten recently, though, was actually a live person, but I couldn't understand a word he said. His VOIP system must have been terribly overloaded -- it couldn't have been sending out more than about 5 bits per second. Imagine trying to talk to someone on the phone, but someone was turning the sound on and off about 5 times per second and the person on the other end had their head in a bucket. That's what it sounded like. We have received these calls on our landline and both our cells. The one good thing that came of it was it reminded us, “Oh yeah! We need to put the cells on the Do Not Call list!” (We just got the cells last year.) The few times they called that I had a few seconds to deal with it, I could never get anyone to come on the line. Weird!

The worst call I’ve gotten recently, though, was actually a live person, but I couldn’t understand a word he said. His VOIP system must have been terribly overloaded — it couldn’t have been sending out more than about 5 bits per second. Imagine trying to talk to someone on the phone, but someone was turning the sound on and off about 5 times per second and the person on the other end had their head in a bucket. That’s what it sounded like.

]]> By: ArchtMig http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524645 ArchtMig Sun, 17 May 2009 09:55:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524645 I get these, plus similar ones claiming there is a problem with my credit card and that they have been unsuccessful in getting ahold of me. I also get the "Dave's Carpet Cleaning" robocalls. I hate all these bastards to death. I once stayed on the line with the carpet cleaning scam just to see what would happen. Once a real person came on, I couldn't even get two angry words out before she hung up immediately. These carpet cleaning scams are done by aggregators that get your information and send out some local yokel carpet cleaning company that subscribes to their leads services. I can't understand why the authorities can't eventually trace back through the local folks and eventually get back to the telemarketers themselves. I get these, plus similar ones claiming there is a problem with my credit card and that they have been unsuccessful in getting ahold of me. I also get the “Dave’s Carpet Cleaning” robocalls. I hate all these bastards to death. I once stayed on the line with the carpet cleaning scam just to see what would happen. Once a real person came on, I couldn’t even get two angry words out before she hung up immediately. These carpet cleaning scams are done by aggregators that get your information and send out some local yokel carpet cleaning company that subscribes to their leads services. I can’t understand why the authorities can’t eventually trace back through the local folks and eventually get back to the telemarketers themselves.

]]> By: denacron http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524609 denacron Sun, 17 May 2009 07:00:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524609 # 10 Ralph, the Bus Driver "Where are all the right wing nuts complaining about government interference into an entrepreneurs right to make money?" They are too busy answering calls from the left wing nut that is offering warranty extensions. ;-) # 10 Ralph, the Bus Driver

“Where are all the right wing nuts complaining about government interference into an entrepreneurs right to make money?”

They are too busy answering calls from the left wing nut that is offering warranty extensions.
;-)

]]> By: Stopher2475 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524594 Stopher2475 Sun, 17 May 2009 05:40:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524594 I like to keep them on the line as long as possible, maybe say hold on a sec and walk away for 5 min, and then say I don't have a car. I like to keep them on the line as long as possible, maybe say hold on a sec and walk away for 5 min, and then say I don’t have a car.

]]> By: madtruckman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524575 madtruckman Sun, 17 May 2009 04:30:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524575 here in indiana our attorney general just filed a lawsuit against 2 of these warranty scam places for violation of do-not-call lists. one of them was that stupid u.s. fidelis. warranties BETTER than the manufacturer?? come on.... here in indiana our attorney general just filed a lawsuit against 2 of these warranty scam places for violation of do-not-call lists. one of them was that stupid u.s. fidelis. warranties BETTER than the manufacturer?? come on….

]]> By: wetback http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524561 wetback Sun, 17 May 2009 04:03:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524561 i guess desperate times calls for desperate measures. No business, make promotional phone calls. i guess desperate times calls for desperate measures. No business, make promotional phone calls.

]]> By: Ralph, the Bus Driver http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/16/finally-an-end-to-those-obnoxious-car-warranty-scam-robo-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1524559 Ralph, the Bus Driver Sun, 17 May 2009 03:37:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=48723#comment-1524559 Where are all the right wing nuts complaining about government interference into an entrepreneurs right to make money? Where are all the right wing nuts complaining about government interference into an entrepreneurs right to make money?

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