Well, that explains it. They weren’t just pedophiles, they were profoundly stupid.
[A] retired Catholic Archbishop in the US is claiming in a soon-to-be-published memoir that he did not comprehend the potential harm to young victims or understand that the priests had committed a crime.
Said Rembert G Weakland: “We all considered sexual abuse of minors as a moral evil, but had no understanding of its criminal nature.”
Weakland, who retired in 2002 after it became known that he paid $450,000 in 1998 to a man who had accused him of date rape years earlier, said he initially: “Accepted naively the common view that it was not necessary to worry about the effects on the youngsters: either they would not remember or they would ‘grow out of it’.”
Weakland’s critics allege that, when he was Archbishop of Milwaukee, he had tried to cover up some of the widespread abuse that had taken place in the diocese – in particular by overseeing an evaluation in 1993 of Father Lawrence Murphy, one of those prosecuted for abuse.
No doubt liberal loon judges left this swine out of jail to write his memoirs…if we needed a reason not to be lunatic liberals…this pedophile provides it.
He is not fit to live…it would be good we dispatch him to God immediately…
God doesn’t like to be kept waiting.
#72 Ps…God demands Governments combat evil, that’s why we care it happen now, and not wait till the after life:
KJV Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
(Rom 13:1-4 KJV)
Alfie–stop being silly.
#27
Never an anti-semite. I am neither against the Jews nor the Arabs. But I am against liars.
Eye for an eye was REMOVED for Christians. You believe in it, you are a Jew for that not a Christian.
The Death Penalty was removed for you(Matthew 18 Parable of A Certain King), but you refuse it to be removed from others. That means the King will send you to the tormentors. Have fun.
That is Judaism that you follow. You want retribution, you want death for crimes but not for yourself, you do not keep the Two Great Commands.
Spouting scripture and adhering to the Old Way. Levite! You love your Old Wine because it tastes better. Jew, not Christian.
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#58, Ayatollah1,
I say the priest must die…as I am a Christian…the moonbats they bark at me…even though they suggested punishment worse than death, to him AND his children, who did nothing wrong.
A couple of weeks ago (last week?) I raised the issue of my niece born with spina bifida. A most beautiful and wonderful young lady with the permanent scars from the condition and surgeries.
You claimed at that time that we are all born guilty of sin. You said she wasn’t innocent. As ludicrous as it sounded at the time, I see you have now changed tact 180 degrees. Children are born innocent.
So which is it? Should she be condemned to a life with god’s infliction or should god be executed for ruining her life before she was born?
#73, ease,
#20 even if every church is a scam (im sure there are a few genuine, (the church of reality for example)) that doesnt make all other religion a scam.
Very true. I am quite sure the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Extra Cheese Synode, is quite legit and follows his Noodliness’s Word to a meatball.
#84, Cursor,
Spouting scripture and adhering to the Old Way. Levite! You love your Old Wine because it tastes better. Jew, not Christian.
Very interesting and illuminating. Only, do I care which book someone is using to justify their “guy in the sky” argument.
Anyone with any sense of normalcy knows The Flying Spaghetti Monster can whip any other god around. With half his noodles behind his back.
I too am fascinated to watch and photograph loonies on the street. In large cities like New York, San Fran, etc you see people dragging crosses, shouting an buildings, cursing at them selves, angry at the world.
The equivalent is happening here with the loonies
I find it kind of ironic that Alfred is calling for the head of child molesters, just days after saying the following:
“rather than legalize prostitution…we should allow the impregnation of girls 16 years or older, to anyone will to pay….”
#75
Well, you are nothing if not consistent. Consistently ignorant and sophomoric but consistent none the less. You need to learn to READ what you actually wrote before you open your trap and stick your foot in it. YOU said that God might “make it up” to the kid in the afterlife in #66(“Who says God won’t make it up to the child in the afterlife”). Your words and they are ridiculous. Who cares if “God will make it up” to the kid, he still got bent by the priest. By the way, why would anything happen to the priest? Is your deity a forgiving one? Wouldn’t he/she/it/they forgive an ordained minister?
In addition to ignorance, you are obviously lacking a degree of decorum and self-respect to consistently contradict yourself. Do you enjoy being regularly embarrassed? You must because you set yourself up for so often.
#82
This is a perfect example of the type of contradiction we see regularly in your posts. According to your collection of fiction, is man supposed to judge criminals or not? It cannot be both. Either he must or he must not. Your post in #82 suggests that indeed man (rulers) should root out evil. However, that is in stark contrast to the concept that man should not judge others because your deity will do that in the afterlife. Which is it?
What’s weird is that the Vatican has always had a policy against Priests being homosexual. Why weren’t these guys kicked out as soon as discovered, on that basis alone?
#82 Alfred1, you’ve successfully pointed out another instance where the Apostle Paul was a simply wrong. If everyone heeded his words, America would not exist, because the founders expressly defied the governing authorities, contrary to Paul’s instructions and your general application of them. Or perhaps Paul just wasn’t prescient enough to see the day when there might be governing authorities that WEREN’T ordained by God.
Alfred1 – “As liberals do everything they touch, they have ruined the justice system till its the worst in the world…or nearly so…”
So…you have a better justice system do you? And don’t be like all the others and say these are out of context, that’s an old saw:
- God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and “all flesh wherein there is breath of life.” He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
- God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
- If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
- People with “familiar spirits” (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27
- Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16
- The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36
- God instructs the Israelites to kill, without mercy, all the inhabitants (strangers) of the land that they conquer. 7:2
#93 right, the whole problem is, only sane people can see that those things are evil. Believers are taught to selectively disengage their conscience so as not to have an unruly intrusion of humanity in their thoughts.
You are right Gary. If Alfred deigns to reply, I’m certain any argument will be disengaged.
#86 i sympathize your lack of intellect.
and its e.a.Z.e bitch.
Hey ease:
“you are correct that as a christian he should not judge this guy as that is up to God”
It’s impossible for a non-existent being to judge anything.
# 93 Our justice system is broke, the rich manipulate it, not only to get away with murder, but to prevent free enterprise from occurring as eco tyrants prevent development, and also the courts subvert the democratic will of the people.
I never said I had a better system in mind…and that would be irrelevant to the state of our present system.
You are a confused thinker, apparently unable to focus on issues.
While God’s acts have even less relevance to our sad legal system than anything I do,I will answer your incompetent reply because it amuses me to see you moonbats bark…first at this…then at that…then perplexed why you are barking at all…its hilarious.
- God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and “all flesh wherein there is breath of life.” He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
Incorrect, God is abhorred by man’s evil acts which have defiled His Creation—….God has the same right as you, to expel evil doers from His house:
12 And God looked upon the world and saw how degenerate, debased, and vicious it was, for all humanity had corrupted their way upon the earth and lost their true direction.
13 God said to Noah, I intend to make an end of all flesh, for through men the land is filled with violence; and behold, I will destroy them and the land. –Gen 6:12f, Amplified Bible
If God doesn’t have the right to drive out of His creation, then neither would you have the right to drive pedophiles out of your children’s bedroom…
If God’s “anger” at evil is evil, then so is your anger at pedophiles molesting your children.
If you confess you have the right to decide who stays in your house, then you confess God had the right to expel these evil doers from His.
- God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
It was necessary, the opposite of “needless.” God thereby instructs us as to the gravity of sin, innocent animals die to pay for our sins…its meant to teach us to stop sinning BEFORE God does to us, what He did to the animals.
So its an act of love from our heavenly Father, who also is Judge, and will not allow the guilty go off free…sin must be paid for…justice (balance) requires it.
Animal sacrifices were a tutor teaching us Christ, what He would do…die for our sins, just as the animals sacrificed in the OT did.
But unlike those animals, as Christ is God the Son, the life paid has infinite value, it can redeem all who confess Jesus is LORD, and believe in His name.
- If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
Homosexuality is sin…all sin results in death:
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
(1Co 6:9-10 NKJ)
While homosexuality will prevent one from entering God’s kingdom just as heterosexual fornication will, two wrongs don’t make a right. It remains sinful and God has the right to expel sinners from His house, or not let them in at all, JUST AS YOU DO.
Now if you don’t prevent evil and wicked people from living with you and your family in close quarters, ONLY THEN can object to God protecting His children from having to live with evil doers….
- People with “familiar spirits” (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27
Consorting with the enemy…fellowship with fallen angels and their demonic offspring, unclean spirits, is fraternizing with the enemy…Its acceptable in warfare that treasonous act is punishable by death…
- Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16
That’s Lev 24:10ff, and your argument is a hasty generalization fallacy…it ignores the context:
God does not kill cursers and blasphemers today (lucky for you):
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Act 17:30 KJV)
There is a principle Christ referenced, that applies:
47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
(Luk 12:47-48 KJV)
God was a daily EXPERIENCE to these, there was no excuse “I really didn’t know if He existed or not.”
If its proper a King punish a subject who blasphemes and curses him to his face in his court before his officials, then its proper God punish those doing the same to Him, in His court, before His holy angels.
Being God, the sin is infinitely more severe than cursing a human king.
- The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36
The Bible is 66 books, not one book, therefore 15:32 doesn’t identify where the verse is. I found it in Numbers 15:32f.
Willful Disobedience to a king, or general, results in death. God is leading these out of Egypt…such blatant rebellion had to be dealt with…it was a time of war.
As for stoning…its purpose is to communicate the terror one will experience when standing naked and ashamed before God…who will judge you.
Just as a loving father scares his children away from evil he knows will harm them, so does God.
- God instructs the Israelites to kill, without mercy, all the inhabitants (strangers) of the land that they conquer. 7:2
That’s Deuteronomy 7:2…you can’t even quote the Bible reference correctly, small surprise your understanding of it sucks also.
From your limited viewpoint these vanished forever, but from God’s infinite perspective these were relocated to await Judgment day and most likely, life:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
(Rev 7:9-10 KJV)
#98
> Incorrect, God is abhorred
> by man’s evil acts
Your mythos does believe that your deity created man does it not? It believes said deity is omnipotent does it not? If it is able to create man and its evil, why not create a revised version of man without any evil? Or is your deity limited?
> God has the same right as you,
> to expel evil doers from His house:
Except that he created both the evil and the doers.
> If God doesn’t have the right to drive
> out of His creation, then neither would
> you have the right to drive pedophiles
> out of your children’s bedroom…
You are talking in circles. Your deity CREATED pedophiles. Why does it not simply change them with a lightening bolt or two or extinguish them? Why the need for man to do your deity’s dirty work?
> God thereby instructs us as to
> the gravity of sin, innocent
> animals die to pay for our sins
A: He/she/it could not have simply said that instead of requiring the sacrifice of animals.
B: How does the death of innocent animals have anything remotely to do with a priest molesting little boys? Is it that your deity cares more for molesters than innocent animals?
> Animal sacrifices were a tutor
> teaching us Christ,
I’m sure the animals loved it. Again, how in the world does the arbitrary killing of an animal have anything to do with the price of tea in China? Unlike your other adolescent friends, you cannot simply throw out arbitrary statements and expect us to give any credence to them. You have to actually assemble a logical argument which you have yet to comprehend much less complete.
>> If a man has sex with another man,
>> kill them both. 20:13
> Homosexuality is sin…all sin results
> in death:
You are contradicting yourself and again not reading what is ACTUALLY written. It does not say that you WILL die if you are a homosexual; it says you must be put to death. It is saying that homosexuals should be executed as opposed to living their life being judged in the afterlife. This is a prime example of Christian hypocrisy and given how illequipped you are to handle real logic, as opposed to whatever it is that you use to assemble your arguments, I doubt you will be able to wrap your head around the enormity of the hypocrisy in your response as well as the passage.
> As for stoning…its purpose is to
> communicate the terror one will
> experience when standing
> naked and ashamed before God
FFS, not only are you making this up as you go, you suck at it. If stoning is meant to convey terror, wouldn’t that make your God a terrorist?
> Just as a loving father scares his children
> away from evil he knows will harm them,
> so does God.
Unlike your deity, a father does not put his children to death when they steal from the cookie jar.
All too easy. You really are a child. Ignorant. Self-absorbed. Mistakenly thinking you are always right. I’m guessing you have the intellect of a high school student who thinks they know everything and hasn’t the foggiest clue as to what they do not know. I would recommend you read a few books on logic before you respond to help mitigate your (additional) embarrassment.
Later moonbats…I got a couple on ice and Frank Zappa Chunga’s Revenge is playing…
There is a time for everything…