For example, in a court of law, the scientific method cannot be used to determine guilt or innocence, rather historical data, including eye witness testimony, is deliberated upon, to render a verdict.

Actually, you are wrong. The evidence is weighed and valued to derive a conclusion. This is the opposite of your method where the bible is interpreted to determine if something happened or Rush Limbaugh is consulted, and rightly so.

There is more than enough historical data to indicate Christ truly did rise from the dead.

Then please post it. So far all most of us know was culled from letters written many years after the fact. There is no contemporaneous evidence that he even lived.

For example, in a court of law, the scientific method cannot be used to determine guilt or innocence, rather historical data, including eye witness testimony, is deliberated upon, to render a verdict.

There is more than enough historical data to indicate Christ truly did rise from the dead.

When you claim “god” exists, we ask for tangible proof. You don’t have any.

You don’t require tangible proof “gravity” exists, nor “dark matter” nor “dark energy” nor anything unseen, but whose presence is known by its effects.

You have a loon agenda to follow…I don’t have the time to dance with you.

There is more than enough evidence to convince the reasonable person the Bible should be read to see for themselves what it says…

If the Bible cannot “convince you” God is, then nothing I might say, can.

Logic can never achieve ontological or epistemological certainty…only a personal revelation of God will acheive that.

http://newscientist.com/article/dn12546

Some have mused “big bangs” plural.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12546

Its new data, don’t expect to find a lot of discussion on this.

For example, I NEVER said I was “convinced by the certitude of my logic”

But we do say it because the evidence as viewed from all observers points to that conclusion. You might not see it, but we do. You can deny it, yet the evidence is still there and has not changed.

You are in a terrible place…you don’t take the time to see what others say…but you have reams of copy paste to hurl at them…

We do take the time to see what others offer and accept or reject that on what proof exists.

When you claim “god” exists, we ask for tangible proof. You don’t have any. When someone else offers evolution and can demonstrate it’s existence with evidence, we do accept it.

That’s sad…no real discussion of these things can occur until YOU take the time to understand what I say…my position…and respond to that.

We have tried that. You are all over the place with your arguments. You use the bible as a reputable source to prove your points. It isn’t reputable. Continually people have asked you to explain and you start calling them “loons” and “moonbats” as if their opinions don’t count.

All we are asking is that you provide some tangible evidence that your “god” exists and the sunset is his creation and not a meteorological event, or that the autumn leaves change color because the trees shut down production of chlorophyll, or identical twins are the result of a zygote dividing in two.

Good luck.

who are now in the process of rejecting the big bag …

Would that big bag be your ex-wife?

…I was born again.

Obviously a breech birth.

So God is as real to me as this keyboard I type on…

So, ya got one of them thar imaginary keyboards.

you ask how I KNOW without doubt the Bible is 100% correct in all it says, including the spiritual dimension…I discovered it is…

I would really like to see your facts for Moses and the 15 Commandments. Oopps, I forgot about that, 10 Commandments.

But Evidence that Demands a Verdict will give you the LEGAL HISTORICAL proofs for Christianity that any reasonable person will grant is weighty indeed.

Say what?

It might apply at the Univ., it depends on its sources of funding and whether it is public or private. You should try reading the constitution.

Actually, it would be Virginia’s laws that apply and any requirements by the accreditation agency.

That is good advice, you really should read the Constitution (it does deserve to be capitalized as it is a proper noun) and especially the Bill of Rights (there are ten amendments, not one).

I’ve ignored it till now.

For example, I NEVER said I was “convinced by the certitude of my logic”

I said plausible reasons God exists led me to read the Bible for myself, and not let others tell me what it says.

When I did that, the presence of God exuded by the words in the text, converted me…God convinced me…not logic.

You are in a terrible place…you don’t take the time to see what others say…but you have reams of copy paste to hurl at them…

That’s sad…no real discussion of these things can occur until YOU take the time to understand what I say…my position…and respond to that.

Otherwise…its like talking to a loon…regardless how simple the statement…they don’t hear you…they are in their own little world and they like it that way.

The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict Fully Updated To Answer The Questions Challenging Christians Today (Hardcover)
by Josh McDowell (Author)

http://amazon.com/gp/product/0785243631/ref=cm_rdp_product_img

However, I did look at the Koran and Gita…and I can testify nothing in them exudes the Being of God as Scripture does…one really experiences God’s presence…communion with Him…when reading the Bible.

If that isn’t true for you, then nothing I say will convince you God is, and our discussion is over.

I am passed the stage with I doubt my belief…I’ve experience too much to deny reality.

Sadly, it is clear you do not understand and may never. It would appear that you did yourself a disservice by leaving HS too early as there is much about the world you have yet to learn. You don’t know what you don’t know.

It is clear you do not understand how to assemble logical arguments or how to recognize logical fallacies. In short, you have not yet learned how to think critically. Much like a self-trained athlete that learns bad habits, by not having a coach to help you understand where you are making mistakes, you have learned some mistaken notions about how the critical thinking process works. Like the athlete, it is possible to un-learn these habits, but as the years go on, it will become more difficult.

If you are so convinced the certitude of your logic, I suggest you take a college course from a non-religious accredited university on critical thinking. If your logic is as sound as you feel it to be, then you should not have any difficulty in such a course.

While I’m all in favor of boosting John’s click ratings, I think this discussion has come to its conclusion. Your beliefs are you own of course, however do not for a minute think that because you have blind faith that you are able to think critically. What you think is critical thought is a morass of twisted logic and argument fallacies. One day, perhaps, we can hope, you will find a subject on which you are having an argument, which will most likely not be religion, when the light bulb will click and you will realize the logic mistakes you have been making with respect to your beliefs. Adieu.

Its as tangible as your going to get…Gravity is proved similarly, its effects prove the invisible force exists. That’s as tangible as it gets.

I already have you pegged as someone who must wait until they are in hell, suffering for your sins, before you will believe God exists.

God is merciful in that he leaves the opportunity to repent and believe, open to most in hell…there are particular sins one can do, that will remove that opportunity:

28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;
29 “but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation “–
30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”
(Mar 3:28-30 NKJ)

I don’t expect to convince people by the force of my argument…if they did convert for that reason…there is something wrong with their conversion.

Rather I point out the overwhelming mass of irrefutable evidence God is, in the things He has made…and those open to God now, in this life, will check out the Bible…and when they do, then God converts them.

I already perceive you are not one of those people…so don’t expect I will keep dancing in circles with you, on this…I have better things to do.