Comments on: What Works Better Than Torture? Would You Believe… Cookies? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Paul Solomon http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1535615 Paul Solomon Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:24:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1535615 Osama bin Laden's bodyguard, Abu Jandal, was a prime candidate for waterboarding, according to Dick Cheney's manual of interrogation techniques. But, according to a Time magazine report, former FBI interrogator Ali Soufan gave him cookies instead. It seems that Abu Jandal is a diabetic, and he gave up valuable information about al Qaeda, including the identities of seven of the 9/11 terrorists, after being given sugar-free cookies. But what about the "ticking time-bomb scenario?" We only have minutes to stop the hypothetical ticking time-bomb, as seen in movies and TV shows like "24". In this case, let's say we don't have access to baked goods. Recent reports indicate that interrogators used bottled water to torture terrorist suspects. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times. In other words, the first 182 times were unsuccessful, and the 183rd gave us this information: A water bottle was brought in without the label removed, he told the Red Cross, and it was a brand made in Poland, where he was being held at the time. In other words, interrogators used what was available and easily accessible. Interrogators, if they are in a critical worst-case scenario where every second counts, have to use whatever methods are available, the theory goes, and waterboarding is quick and easy. All they have to do is reach in the refrigerator and grab a cold one. And 2-liter bottles of 7-Up reportedly work just as effectively. An executive order signed by President Obama, however, requires interrogators to follow what's known as the "Army Field Manual," which prohibits waterboarding and other forms of "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" favored by Cheney. The "Army Field Manual" outlines 19 interrogation techniques permitted by law. Those techniques which are allowed include lying, misleading, and manipulating - common police procedure. So Abu Jandal could have been given cookies containing sugar. The interrogator merely had to lie that they contained no sugar. Of course, Abu Jandal would have gone into a diabetic coma, which puts it into a gray area as to whether it would be considered torture. So, just to be safe, the "Army Field Manual" should be amended to include baked goods, including those without sugar. Oh, and how about some ice cream too. Osama bin Laden’s bodyguard, Abu Jandal, was a prime candidate for waterboarding, according to Dick Cheney’s manual of interrogation techniques. But, according to a Time magazine report, former FBI interrogator Ali Soufan gave him cookies instead. It seems that Abu Jandal is a diabetic, and he gave up valuable information about al Qaeda, including the identities of seven of the 9/11 terrorists, after being given sugar-free cookies. But what about the “ticking time-bomb scenario?” We only have minutes to stop the hypothetical ticking time-bomb, as seen in movies and TV shows like “24″. In this case, let’s say we don’t have access to baked goods. Recent reports indicate that interrogators used bottled water to torture terrorist suspects. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times. In other words, the first 182 times were unsuccessful, and the 183rd gave us this information: A water bottle was brought in without the label removed, he told the Red Cross, and it was a brand made in Poland, where he was being held at the time. In other words, interrogators used what was available and easily accessible. Interrogators, if they are in a critical worst-case scenario where every second counts, have to use whatever methods are available, the theory goes, and waterboarding is quick and easy. All they have to do is reach in the refrigerator and grab a cold one. And 2-liter bottles of 7-Up reportedly work just as effectively. An executive order signed by President Obama, however, requires interrogators to follow what’s known as the “Army Field Manual,” which prohibits waterboarding and other forms of “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” favored by Cheney. The “Army Field Manual” outlines 19 interrogation techniques permitted by law. Those techniques which are allowed include lying, misleading, and manipulating – common police procedure. So Abu Jandal could have been given cookies containing sugar. The interrogator merely had to lie that they contained no sugar. Of course, Abu Jandal would have gone into a diabetic coma, which puts it into a gray area as to whether it would be considered torture. So, just to be safe, the “Army Field Manual” should be amended to include baked goods, including those without sugar. Oh, and how about some ice cream too.

]]> By: FRAGaLOT http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532616 FRAGaLOT Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:53:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532616 @1 that would make you hard.. not soft. @1 that would make you hard.. not soft.

]]> By: Nimby http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532310 Nimby Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:59:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532310 #35 - Sorry Harriet. Advil is really bad at curing headaches. Great for muscle and bone aches but for a headache, try an aspirin or a Tylenol. Think of Advil sort of like waterboarding and Tylenol as cookies. # 27 bobbo "Catholicks" and torture are pretty much synonymous aren't they? Besides forcing you to consume the flesh and blood you mentioned, they close you into small dark rooms and force you to confess and, if you're a young boy, they rape you! #35 – Sorry Harriet. Advil is really bad at curing headaches. Great for muscle and bone aches but for a headache, try an aspirin or a Tylenol. Think of Advil sort of like waterboarding and Tylenol as cookies.

# 27 bobbo “Catholicks” and torture are pretty much synonymous aren’t they? Besides forcing you to consume the flesh and blood you mentioned, they close you into small dark rooms and force you to confess and, if you’re a young boy, they rape you!

]]> By: Hmeyers http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532148 Hmeyers Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:02:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532148 @Teabaggins "who really believes torture or “enhanced interrogation” actually works?" This is the whole problem with the world. Why do you care what Joe Blow thinks? What if Joe Blow doesn't believe Advil cures headaches? @Teabaggins

“who really believes torture or “enhanced interrogation” actually works?”

This is the whole problem with the world.

Why do you care what Joe Blow thinks? What if Joe Blow doesn’t believe Advil cures headaches?

]]> By: Olo Baggins of Bywater http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532073 Olo Baggins of Bywater Sun, 31 May 2009 23:32:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532073 Greg A, I wonder how many similar books and article exist. OTOH, is there <i>anyone,</i> other than today's US conservatives, who really believes torture or "enhanced interrogation" actually works? Greg A, I wonder how many similar books and article exist. OTOH, is there anyone, other than today’s US conservatives, who really believes torture or “enhanced interrogation” actually works?

]]> By: Zorkor http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532059 Zorkor Sun, 31 May 2009 22:47:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532059 In eastern culture, a show of kindness goes a long way in making your enemies as friends. Who knows something small for u might be something big for other guy. Remember, its the small things that matter.. In eastern culture, a show of kindness goes a long way in making your enemies as friends. Who knows something small for u might be something big for other guy. Remember, its the small things that matter..

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532053 Greg Allen Sun, 31 May 2009 22:21:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532053 MikeN said, on May 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am >> Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument. The memos made public by Pres Obama show that torture or ‘torture’ worked.' He! He! The memos proved no such thing. I've done a fair amount of research on this subject: A LOT of crap was said. A little truth. But the crap caused all kinds of problems. (And the little truth probably would have been pried-out with cookies!) Probably you haven't read this book. I strongly recommend it: "How to Break a Terrorist: The U.S. Interrogators Who Used Brains, Not Brutality, to Take Down the Deadliest Man in Iraq (Hardcover)" http://tinyurl.com/5vzq8n MikeN said, on May 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am
>> Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument. The memos made public by Pres Obama show that torture or ‘torture’ worked.’

He! He!

The memos proved no such thing.

I’ve done a fair amount of research on this subject: A LOT of crap was said. A little truth. But the crap caused all kinds of problems. (And the little truth probably would have been pried-out with cookies!)

Probably you haven’t read this book. I strongly recommend it:

“How to Break a Terrorist: The U.S. Interrogators Who Used Brains, Not Brutality, to Take Down the Deadliest Man in Iraq (Hardcover)”

http://tinyurl.com/5vzq8n

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532048 Greg Allen Sun, 31 May 2009 22:13:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532048 The conservatives belief in torture revealed their profound LACK of faith in traditional American values. The conservatives belief in torture revealed their profound LACK of faith in traditional American values.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532009 MikeN Sun, 31 May 2009 19:26:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532009 >say that harsh treatment does NOT work 99% of the time. It does work IF you know most of the “facts” Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument. The memos made public by Pres Obama show that torture or 'torture' worked. >say that harsh treatment does NOT work 99% of the time. It does work IF you know most of the “facts”

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument. The memos made public by Pres Obama show that torture or ‘torture’ worked.

]]> By: soundwash http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532004 soundwash Sun, 31 May 2009 19:19:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532004 almost forgot, strange coincidence that Bin Laden and his body guard both suffer from diabetes. -for which treatment allows them to be easily tracked via the need for daily insulin shots.. -s almost forgot,

strange coincidence that Bin Laden
and his body guard both suffer from
diabetes. -for which treatment allows them to be easily tracked via the need
for daily insulin shots..

-s

]]> By: soundwash http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1532002 soundwash Sun, 31 May 2009 19:00:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1532002 rofl..What a bullsh*t, propaganda puff piece.. I can't believe Time could publish this without a tongue firmly implanted in cheek. Aside from the fluff, this article is a product placement ad for sugar-free products. funny how this coincides with the current push by states to demonize (and tax) sugar while promoting sugar-free products as "healthy" -alongside of the administrations "new" anti- torture posture. too funny, sad thing is, people actually believe this stuff is non-biased.. -s rofl..What a bullsh*t, propaganda puff piece.. I can’t believe Time could publish this without a tongue firmly implanted in cheek.

Aside from the fluff, this article is a product placement ad for sugar-free products.

funny how this coincides with the current push by states to demonize (and tax) sugar while promoting sugar-free products as “healthy”

-alongside of the administrations
“new” anti- torture posture.

too funny, sad thing is, people
actually believe this stuff is
non-biased..

-s

]]> By: bobbo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1531992 bobbo Sun, 31 May 2009 17:53:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1531992 Don't the Catholicks hand out cookies and wine at every session? So, we have a complete picture here. The THREAT of torture AND the liberal use of food treats results in the most docile sheep. Don’t the Catholicks hand out cookies and wine at every session?

So, we have a complete picture here. The THREAT of torture AND the liberal use of food treats results in the most docile sheep.

]]> By: chuck http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1531984 chuck Sun, 31 May 2009 17:28:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1531984 Can't we torture them first, and then give them cookies? Kinda like bad cop, good cop. Can’t we torture them first, and then give them cookies?

Kinda like bad cop, good cop.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1531980 Mr. Fusion Sun, 31 May 2009 17:18:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1531980 I notice the torture deniers are relatively silent on this. ALPHIE !!! AH YEA !!! RBG !!! Well, I guess all the moon bat, commie, loons win by default. I notice the torture deniers are relatively silent on this.

ALPHIE !!! AH YEA !!! RBG !!!

Well, I guess all the moon bat, commie, loons win by default.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/30/what-works-better-than-torture-would-you-believecookies/comment-page-2/#comment-1531973 Mr. Fusion Sun, 31 May 2009 17:07:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=49889#comment-1531973 #22, chris, <i>This procedure was used in only one region, but that region went from having near the highest level of attacks to the lowest.</i> Actually, the CIA was using that technique for most of the war. The Army went in the opposite direction and abuse was the rule. Most prisoners were given to the South to hold and their techniques weren't polite. The last couple of years of the war the Army changed their tune and the countryside ended up cooperating more and more. Soon, it was the locals that were turning in the VC to the Army units. Then the war ended before the gains could be realized. #22, chris,

This procedure was used in only one region, but that region went from having near the highest level of attacks to the lowest.

Actually, the CIA was using that technique for most of the war. The Army went in the opposite direction and abuse was the rule. Most prisoners were given to the South to hold and their techniques weren’t polite.

The last couple of years of the war the Army changed their tune and the countryside ended up cooperating more and more. Soon, it was the locals that were turning in the VC to the Army units. Then the war ended before the gains could be realized.

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