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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/08/recruiting-moderates-leaves-losers-in-charge-of-republican-party/comment-page-2/#comment-1536917</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#62, Mr. Baggins,

Well that explains why my porn downloads are so slow. All the religious wackos and wing nuts emailing each other about Muslim conspiracies and rampant communism in the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#62, Mr. Baggins,</p>
<p>Well that explains why my porn downloads are so slow. All the religious wackos and wing nuts emailing each other about Muslim conspiracies and rampant communism in the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: Olo Baggins of Bywater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olo Baggins of Bywater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Greg, then what would these goofs email each other about otherwise? You know, the ones like  &quot;In God We Trust&quot; missing from the new dollar coin, the old soldier stories, and all that crap that keeps snopes busy...

These fools haven&#039;t figured out that their own email floods are what&#039;s causing porn to stutter on their peecees. (So long as they stay away from the neighbor&#039;s wife stuff, they&#039;re good.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Greg, then what would these goofs email each other about otherwise? You know, the ones like  &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; missing from the new dollar coin, the old soldier stories, and all that crap that keeps snopes busy&#8230;</p>
<p>These fools haven&#8217;t figured out that their own email floods are what&#8217;s causing porn to stutter on their peecees. (So long as they stay away from the neighbor&#8217;s wife stuff, they&#8217;re good.)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#55 Alfred: Its good Fox news, radio and the internet exist, otherwise we wouldn’t unspun news.

Fox news spins EVERYTHING. Seriously, dude. And the make crap up. 

The &quot;Fox Question&quot; is now part of the venacular.   

You know, as in &quot;Should Obama release his birth certificate?&quot;  when the folks at Fox know darn well he released it months and months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55 Alfred: Its good Fox news, radio and the internet exist, otherwise we wouldn’t unspun news.</p>
<p>Fox news spins EVERYTHING. Seriously, dude. And the make crap up. </p>
<p>The &#8220;Fox Question&#8221; is now part of the venacular.   </p>
<p>You know, as in &#8220;Should Obama release his birth certificate?&#8221;  when the folks at Fox know darn well he released it months and months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I am absolutely disgusted with the conservatives and the GOP, I still believe in the value of opposition.  

But these current &quot;Reagan&quot; Republicans need to be sent packing. They friggin&#039; wrecked our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I am absolutely disgusted with the conservatives and the GOP, I still believe in the value of opposition.  </p>
<p>But these current &#8220;Reagan&#8221; Republicans need to be sent packing. They friggin&#8217; wrecked our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Olo Baggins of Bywater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olo Baggins of Bywater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#55 Alfred: &lt;i&gt;Its good Fox news, radio and the internet exist, otherwise we wouldn’t unspun news.&lt;/i&gt;

And the bible proves god exists, which makes for two documented instances of your circular logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55 Alfred: <i>Its good Fox news, radio and the internet exist, otherwise we wouldn’t unspun news.</i></p>
<p>And the bible proves god exists, which makes for two documented instances of your circular logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#55, Alphie,

&lt;i&gt;When Democrats turned against the war, so did their media.&lt;/i&gt;

Is that what Boss Limpdick said? You mean, it wouldn&#039;t have anything to do with people becoming aware that Bush really did lie? Or that Osama bin Laden was still running loose in spite of the stated claim by Bush that he wouldn&#039;t rest until he was captured? Or that Bush was locking up Americans without access to lawyers? Or that Bush was opening mail, tapping phone lines, and spying on Americans without warrants? Or that Bush sanctioned torture when most Americans don&#039;t? Or that Americans were being killed by road side bombs when they were supposed to have been greeted as liberators?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55, Alphie,</p>
<p><i>When Democrats turned against the war, so did their media.</i></p>
<p>Is that what Boss Limpdick said? You mean, it wouldn&#8217;t have anything to do with people becoming aware that Bush really did lie? Or that Osama bin Laden was still running loose in spite of the stated claim by Bush that he wouldn&#8217;t rest until he was captured? Or that Bush was locking up Americans without access to lawyers? Or that Bush was opening mail, tapping phone lines, and spying on Americans without warrants? Or that Bush sanctioned torture when most Americans don&#8217;t? Or that Americans were being killed by road side bombs when they were supposed to have been greeted as liberators?</p>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
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		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, back on topic. When the ranking member of Armed Services Committee quits the committee it sends a loud message that he isn&#039;t going to be the chair anytime soon, if ever. I think this was the biggest blow that the Republican congressional members have received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, back on topic. When the ranking member of Armed Services Committee quits the committee it sends a loud message that he isn&#8217;t going to be the chair anytime soon, if ever. I think this was the biggest blow that the Republican congressional members have received.</p>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
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		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or are Dick Morris and Sean Hannity the gayest guys in US media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or are Dick Morris and Sean Hannity the gayest guys in US media?</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54 Generalization fallacy...the media failed to be &quot;anti-war&quot; because Democrats supported the war...

They are with the Democrats...period.

When Democrats turned against the war, so did their media.

Its good Fox news, radio and the internet exist, otherwise we wouldn&#039;t unspun news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54 Generalization fallacy&#8230;the media failed to be &#8220;anti-war&#8221; because Democrats supported the war&#8230;</p>
<p>They are with the Democrats&#8230;period.</p>
<p>When Democrats turned against the war, so did their media.</p>
<p>Its good Fox news, radio and the internet exist, otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t unspun news.</p>
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		<title>By: Olo Baggins of Bywater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olo Baggins of Bywater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, the media covers everything...Clinton was hammered for his transgressions, those stories were all over cable news and the papers. Later, conversely, Bush was left unchecked while taking us to war. Of course, Cheney/Rove made sure any dissent or critical questioning was covered with a &lt;i&gt;treason&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; label, which made the press squeamish, but they still dropped the ball and let a repub president get away with starting a stupid war.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, the media covers everything&#8230;Clinton was hammered for his transgressions, those stories were all over cable news and the papers. Later, conversely, Bush was left unchecked while taking us to war. Of course, Cheney/Rove made sure any dissent or critical questioning was covered with a <i>treason</i><i> label, which made the press squeamish, but they still dropped the ball and let a repub president get away with starting a stupid war.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Alfred1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#52 And every day we heard how bad the economy was...

Many believe the Democrats and Media talked the economy into this recession/depression...but they miscalculated...normally after they win, they reverse and talk the economy up...propagandizing how good it is.

This time they kept terrifying the public about a Depression to get &#039;PORKULUS&#039; passed...

To maintain a crisis atmosphere to ram through their other loon health care and green tyranny/destruction of the economy.

And the scared the 70% consumer economy into not buying products...into saving.

Now the fear of losing one&#039;s job prevents consumers from buying products...perpetuating the recession...making it worse.


So now the &quot;STATE CONTROLLED MEDIA&quot; won&#039;t report the bad news, and everything Obama does is wonderful, and they spin any bad news into good news.

The recent 300,000 job lose is an example...When an economy sheds jobs, it does so unevenly...so the fact the loss was less one month, proves nothing. It could be 800,000 next time...we will see.

Only a job gain stretching over a few months will indicate the bottom has been reached.

Like a rock bouncing on its way down, its descent isn&#039;t even, and to hail a bounce as &quot;good news&quot; is absurd, when its still falling towards the Grand Canyon floor.





Remember Obama terrified everyone with</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#52 And every day we heard how bad the economy was&#8230;</p>
<p>Many believe the Democrats and Media talked the economy into this recession/depression&#8230;but they miscalculated&#8230;normally after they win, they reverse and talk the economy up&#8230;propagandizing how good it is.</p>
<p>This time they kept terrifying the public about a Depression to get &#8216;PORKULUS&#8217; passed&#8230;</p>
<p>To maintain a crisis atmosphere to ram through their other loon health care and green tyranny/destruction of the economy.</p>
<p>And the scared the 70% consumer economy into not buying products&#8230;into saving.</p>
<p>Now the fear of losing one&#8217;s job prevents consumers from buying products&#8230;perpetuating the recession&#8230;making it worse.</p>
<p>So now the &#8220;STATE CONTROLLED MEDIA&#8221; won&#8217;t report the bad news, and everything Obama does is wonderful, and they spin any bad news into good news.</p>
<p>The recent 300,000 job lose is an example&#8230;When an economy sheds jobs, it does so unevenly&#8230;so the fact the loss was less one month, proves nothing. It could be 800,000 next time&#8230;we will see.</p>
<p>Only a job gain stretching over a few months will indicate the bottom has been reached.</p>
<p>Like a rock bouncing on its way down, its descent isn&#8217;t even, and to hail a bounce as &#8220;good news&#8221; is absurd, when its still falling towards the Grand Canyon floor.</p>
<p>Remember Obama terrified everyone with</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush was the worst president ever because:
- He was painted as the worst president ever.

Every freaking day we heard, &quot;Bush lied. People died.&quot;

We got daily body counts from Iraq. Constantly beat over the head with &#039;unjust war&#039;. The media won that one.

Put Clinton in that situation - not a peep from the media. Put similar situations in Afghanistan or Iraq right now and the media will paint is rosy as &#039;their guy&#039; is in office now.

I&#039;m not saying Bush did everything right. Hell, had he just had a (D) by his name the same people opposing him would be trumpeting him and those who supported him would be bashing him. There&#039;s little thought amongst most people as to what the actual issues are. Most of the time it&#039;s idiotic quips from the right and the left.

Right now the right is bashing Obama - regardless of what he does. He could go out and get the paper in the morning and they&#039;d fine something to bitch about. The left (which is typically the media) would do a fluff piece on how Obama represents the &#039;common man&#039; by going to get his paper. Obama getting his paper has nothing to do with running the nation or policies. Worse - Obama doesn&#039;t run the nation. He doesn&#039;t write law. The people we should all be concerned with is our own representatives in the House. Instead, we get this nonsense as if Obama (or Bush) are the ones actually writing laws and such.

Most people just rattle off whatever they&#039;ve heard without applying any sort of thought, without digging into whether or not that statement that they just rattled off actually means anything, and without getting anymore than superficially involved in the process.

Policy-wise: there wasn&#039;t much difference between Obama and McCain.

A year ago I was thinking, &quot;Well, I don&#039;t think the Democrats can outspend the Republicans.&quot; Yet, here we are. A year ago the Republicans were quiet and the Democrats were talking about the &#039;crazy spending&#039; in Washington. Now it&#039;s the opposite. There&#039;s no &#039;core values&#039; to any of this just whether or not someone&#039;s &#039;guy&#039; is in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush was the worst president ever because:<br />
- He was painted as the worst president ever.</p>
<p>Every freaking day we heard, &#8220;Bush lied. People died.&#8221;</p>
<p>We got daily body counts from Iraq. Constantly beat over the head with &#8216;unjust war&#8217;. The media won that one.</p>
<p>Put Clinton in that situation &#8211; not a peep from the media. Put similar situations in Afghanistan or Iraq right now and the media will paint is rosy as &#8216;their guy&#8217; is in office now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying Bush did everything right. Hell, had he just had a (D) by his name the same people opposing him would be trumpeting him and those who supported him would be bashing him. There&#8217;s little thought amongst most people as to what the actual issues are. Most of the time it&#8217;s idiotic quips from the right and the left.</p>
<p>Right now the right is bashing Obama &#8211; regardless of what he does. He could go out and get the paper in the morning and they&#8217;d fine something to bitch about. The left (which is typically the media) would do a fluff piece on how Obama represents the &#8216;common man&#8217; by going to get his paper. Obama getting his paper has nothing to do with running the nation or policies. Worse &#8211; Obama doesn&#8217;t run the nation. He doesn&#8217;t write law. The people we should all be concerned with is our own representatives in the House. Instead, we get this nonsense as if Obama (or Bush) are the ones actually writing laws and such.</p>
<p>Most people just rattle off whatever they&#8217;ve heard without applying any sort of thought, without digging into whether or not that statement that they just rattled off actually means anything, and without getting anymore than superficially involved in the process.</p>
<p>Policy-wise: there wasn&#8217;t much difference between Obama and McCain.</p>
<p>A year ago I was thinking, &#8220;Well, I don&#8217;t think the Democrats can outspend the Republicans.&#8221; Yet, here we are. A year ago the Republicans were quiet and the Democrats were talking about the &#8216;crazy spending&#8217; in Washington. Now it&#8217;s the opposite. There&#8217;s no &#8216;core values&#8217; to any of this just whether or not someone&#8217;s &#8216;guy&#8217; is in office.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 Obama&#039;s had more than 5 months...Osama still isn&#039;t captured...

Thinking people realize its hard to find one person in a country...sometimes impossible, even today.

While it was fun for your guy to accuse President Bush of dropping the ball...its been almost 6 months...and evidently he can&#039;t find Osama either.

I didn&#039;t agree with the Iraq war...but then again, I didn&#039;t have all the facts Bush and the rest of the worlds leaders had...and he made the call.

Hindsight is 20/20. The war is a sucess as far as wars go.

But for me, the true test is what happens to extremist Islam....if Iraq&#039;s democracy inspires a the rise of a moderate Islam that doesn&#039;t threaten others, then it was worth the cost.

That possibility inspires our Troops and the mission is a worthy enterprise.

Surely more worthy than killing 3 black teenagers on the high seas and then letting surrogates boast about it, alleging it proves Obama&#039;s mettle.

How was their rights respected...to a attorney, to a trial? Killing them was worse than waterboarding them, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48 Obama&#8217;s had more than 5 months&#8230;Osama still isn&#8217;t captured&#8230;</p>
<p>Thinking people realize its hard to find one person in a country&#8230;sometimes impossible, even today.</p>
<p>While it was fun for your guy to accuse President Bush of dropping the ball&#8230;its been almost 6 months&#8230;and evidently he can&#8217;t find Osama either.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t agree with the Iraq war&#8230;but then again, I didn&#8217;t have all the facts Bush and the rest of the worlds leaders had&#8230;and he made the call.</p>
<p>Hindsight is 20/20. The war is a sucess as far as wars go.</p>
<p>But for me, the true test is what happens to extremist Islam&#8230;.if Iraq&#8217;s democracy inspires a the rise of a moderate Islam that doesn&#8217;t threaten others, then it was worth the cost.</p>
<p>That possibility inspires our Troops and the mission is a worthy enterprise.</p>
<p>Surely more worthy than killing 3 black teenagers on the high seas and then letting surrogates boast about it, alleging it proves Obama&#8217;s mettle.</p>
<p>How was their rights respected&#8230;to a attorney, to a trial? Killing them was worse than waterboarding them, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Great American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 &quot;at least 10,000 Americans died because of Bush keeping us safe&quot;

So you&#039;re willing to concede, albeit in low sarcasm, that Bush kept us safe from all the plots you&#039;re aware of?

Excellent, good on ya Fizzle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48 &#8220;at least 10,000 Americans died because of Bush keeping us safe&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re willing to concede, albeit in low sarcasm, that Bush kept us safe from all the plots you&#8217;re aware of?</p>
<p>Excellent, good on ya Fizzle!</p>
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		<title>By: Great American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean liberal losers like Olympia Snow? No thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean liberal losers like Olympia Snow? No thanks!</p>
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