I plugged this into the wrong window. You’d be impressed if you saw it in the right thread

To me, that indicates a desire that goes well beyond mere control of the situation, which he already has at that point. He’s insisting that she completely submit to his authority and command. By that time, she may very well be incapable of the muscle control necessary to put her hands behind her back, but the officer has expressly left himself the option to tase her again if her muscles can’t comply.

They’re both quite lucky that she didn’t break her hip when she fell to the ground. Many women her age never recover from a hip fracture.

I’ll tell you what, when a court doesn’t put a granite marker stating “There shall be no other God before me” as inspiration for how law should be done, then yeah, this crap will end.

It’s this basic lack of understanding that keeps the Creationist thinking that Creationism is a science. Theology is neither secular law nor science and neither should be substituted as a base for the other.

That cornerstone reiterated, the stupidity and evil or religion has long been noticed and therefore announced as declining as man becomes more aware. It just ain’t happening. Religions are consolidating, once there were many, fewer now. This feeds fanaticism.

Biology v Theology==which is more likely to end culture?

IMHO, we should replace all public displays of the 10 commandments, with the 10 most important laws of physics.

Part II

As I said in #87, we basically agree.

Where I lean towards the subjugation side and opposite the morality side is most of the stories teach no morals.

Sodom and Gommorah? No morals, just do what God tells you to.

Jacob’s ladder? Don’t do drugs before bedtime?

Jonah and the big fish / whale? I tell you, ya jes gotta have faith. (And maybe after Faith, you should try Becky)

Noah and the great flood? So if you don’t believe in God, he is going to kill you.

The Good Samaritan is the only one I can think of where there is some morality.

I should add I enjoyed your post. Well framed arguments and fun to read.

The first part I think we agree but are just using different views and words.

Atheism means you don’t believe in religion.

I stopped to respond right there.

First, and very important, atheist is the word used to describe me by someone else. I don’t accept that word anymore than I consider myself an infidel or gentile.

Call me what you want, those are your definitions, terms, and conditions. Just don’t expect me to agree with those terms.

I now return to finish your post

Their main purpose was to start a fight.

There was a hilarious bit on last evening’s rerun of the old Drew Carey improv show “Whose Line Is It Anyway?” In a game called “Scenes from a Hat” in which random scenarios are pulled from a hat and acted out by the cast, Carey pulled out one that said, “Something to say that will _always_ start a fight.” So Ryan Stiles walked out to center stage and said, “… Y’ wanna fight?”

That’s exactly what the Haskell County, Oklahoma commissioners have done here. They don’t really care about the marker at all, except as a vehicle to stir up trouble and rile up “the base,” and I’m always amazed that none of the news reports talk about that angle.

I knew someone would mention Scientology.

Still … they aren’t killing (a lot) of people as far as I know.