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	<title>Comments on: Canadian Government looks to increase web surveillance to an extreme</title>
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		<title>By: brendal</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They already censor their media - anyone who has lived there should know that the only reason they play that crap Alanis music is because they have content quotas - never been a free country - let alone sovereign - that ugly chick is still all over their money. When she comes off, then we&#039;ll talk. Until then, be lucky you&#039;re not a US Nat&#039;l Park - although you&#039;d all look great in those brown uniforms and brown socks and shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already censor their media &#8211; anyone who has lived there should know that the only reason they play that crap Alanis music is because they have content quotas &#8211; never been a free country &#8211; let alone sovereign &#8211; that ugly chick is still all over their money. When she comes off, then we&#8217;ll talk. Until then, be lucky you&#8217;re not a US Nat&#8217;l Park &#8211; although you&#8217;d all look great in those brown uniforms and brown socks and shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tired Canadian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tired Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did we (Canadians) become such a bunch of whiny crybabies ? The government wants to pass a bunch of laws so that the RCMP can keep an eye on you and everyone you know on the internet. Why should I care? I am not a terrorist or a sex offender so if &quot;the man&quot; wants to watch me as I am looking at dvorak.org/blog , TWIT, TSN and or  Riderville I just hope they aren&#039;t to bored. If these proposed laws bother you so much that you feel like leaving Canada, please do so! Move to Europe or Asia were they just love whiny jackasses that moan and complain about every fricking little thing.
Thanks and have a swell day !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did we (Canadians) become such a bunch of whiny crybabies ? The government wants to pass a bunch of laws so that the RCMP can keep an eye on you and everyone you know on the internet. Why should I care? I am not a terrorist or a sex offender so if &#8220;the man&#8221; wants to watch me as I am looking at dvorak.org/blog , TWIT, TSN and or  Riderville I just hope they aren&#8217;t to bored. If these proposed laws bother you so much that you feel like leaving Canada, please do so! Move to Europe or Asia were they just love whiny jackasses that moan and complain about every fricking little thing.<br />
Thanks and have a swell day !!</p>
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		<title>By: Magsec4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magsec4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, when they say &quot;charge&quot; for arranging....

They mean they&#039;re getting a cut of the payment? or charge as in, criminal charges... because I think the wording is vague on purpose *rolls eyes slowly*....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, when they say &#8220;charge&#8221; for arranging&#8230;.</p>
<p>They mean they&#8217;re getting a cut of the payment? or charge as in, criminal charges&#8230; because I think the wording is vague on purpose *rolls eyes slowly*&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat_Anarchy</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/19/canadian-government-looks-to-increase-web-surveillance-to-an-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-1541699</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat_Anarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is of course, is that if I were a pedo or a terrorist, I could very easily bypass these government snooping tactics with proxies, and make it even harder for them to track me than the current methods.

It&#039;s what I call &quot;classroom justice&quot;. Its a situation where 99% of the population is punished for 1% of the population&#039;s crimes. It&#039;s like in school where the whole class would be punished for a few disruptive pupils, like making the whole class stay late. You see, it takes effort to deal with the individual involved, as it takes investigation and some work, so a much lazier alternative is to just punish everyone...that way you know you&#039;re getting the right person.

It&#039;s like with them wanting to man guns and whatnot.Instead of looking at the very few people who use guns improperly, and dealing with , and investigating the many factors which go into making a situation like that occur, they just ban guns for everyone. It makes things much easier for the law makers.

Its funny. If you heard a judge couldnt be bothered to investigate a murder, so just decided to execute/jail ALL suspects just to be sure he got the right man, you&#039;d be outraged. Yet, we let the government do the same thing to us with laws like this all the time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is of course, is that if I were a pedo or a terrorist, I could very easily bypass these government snooping tactics with proxies, and make it even harder for them to track me than the current methods.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s what I call &#8220;classroom justice&#8221;. Its a situation where 99% of the population is punished for 1% of the population&#8217;s crimes. It&#8217;s like in school where the whole class would be punished for a few disruptive pupils, like making the whole class stay late. You see, it takes effort to deal with the individual involved, as it takes investigation and some work, so a much lazier alternative is to just punish everyone&#8230;that way you know you&#8217;re getting the right person.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like with them wanting to man guns and whatnot.Instead of looking at the very few people who use guns improperly, and dealing with , and investigating the many factors which go into making a situation like that occur, they just ban guns for everyone. It makes things much easier for the law makers.</p>
<p>Its funny. If you heard a judge couldnt be bothered to investigate a murder, so just decided to execute/jail ALL suspects just to be sure he got the right man, you&#8217;d be outraged. Yet, we let the government do the same thing to us with laws like this all the time!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off shore encrypted proxy, encrypted HD = gov&#039;t S.O.L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off shore encrypted proxy, encrypted HD = gov&#8217;t S.O.L.</p>
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		<title>By: HMeyers</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/19/canadian-government-looks-to-increase-web-surveillance-to-an-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-1541596</link>
		<dc:creator>HMeyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m starting to think that all governments should be banned from the internet entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to think that all governments should be banned from the internet entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/19/canadian-government-looks-to-increase-web-surveillance-to-an-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-1541291</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onemaster,

I&#039;ve tried TOR and it works OK. Double key encryption works great.

But, the trouble with these technologies is that if you use them in Saudi Arabia or China, it gets you flagged by the government.

We need these privacy technologyies standard, and built-in to ALL our tools so that no individual stands out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onemaster,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried TOR and it works OK. Double key encryption works great.</p>
<p>But, the trouble with these technologies is that if you use them in Saudi Arabia or China, it gets you flagged by the government.</p>
<p>We need these privacy technologyies standard, and built-in to ALL our tools so that no individual stands out.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/19/canadian-government-looks-to-increase-web-surveillance-to-an-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-1541290</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? 

Right?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? </p>
<p>Right?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippa</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/19/canadian-government-looks-to-increase-web-surveillance-to-an-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-1541247</link>
		<dc:creator>Xanthippa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I AM a Canadian.  And, I usually vote Conservative....

This is such a betrayal of my core values, I do not know where to start!

I am so angry, I am at a loss for what to say.

Several of my good friends are being persecuted under the &#039;thought crime&#039; provision (section 13) of our &#039;Human Rights Code&#039; - which is used more to LIMIT our Human Rights than it is concerned with protecting them...

THIS is just going from bad to worse!

The Conservatives were our hope to lift this curse - and now, they are planning to deepen it!!!

If I did not have parents here to look after, I would be so gone!  But, of course, the US is trying so hard to match the Canadian insanity, I don&#039;t know if moving South would help me by much more than 4-6 years....where is there left to go???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I AM a Canadian.  And, I usually vote Conservative&#8230;.</p>
<p>This is such a betrayal of my core values, I do not know where to start!</p>
<p>I am so angry, I am at a loss for what to say.</p>
<p>Several of my good friends are being persecuted under the &#8216;thought crime&#8217; provision (section 13) of our &#8216;Human Rights Code&#8217; &#8211; which is used more to LIMIT our Human Rights than it is concerned with protecting them&#8230;</p>
<p>THIS is just going from bad to worse!</p>
<p>The Conservatives were our hope to lift this curse &#8211; and now, they are planning to deepen it!!!</p>
<p>If I did not have parents here to look after, I would be so gone!  But, of course, the US is trying so hard to match the Canadian insanity, I don&#8217;t know if moving South would help me by much more than 4-6 years&#8230;.where is there left to go???</p>
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		<title>By: OvenMaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>OvenMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word: Tor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word: Tor.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat_Anarchy</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/19/canadian-government-looks-to-increase-web-surveillance-to-an-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-1541217</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat_Anarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like every other day there is a new law coming out which is looking to monitor us through the internet. Yes, this one might be quashed, or what not, but there are always new ones coming up, and some do get through. Gone are the golden years of the 90s. You have to remember that the law makers were out of touch old men, so back then they didn&#039;t know much about the internet. However, there is a new generation who, although far from being &#039;tech-savvy&#039;, are a lot more aware of the power and scope of the web, and even more worryingly (for them) is that they don&#039;t control it!

This news item is more an indication of the trend we are seeing more and more. It the same old thing, with the same rhetoric. We have to be able to monitor you, cause of pedos and terrorists. Thats their excuse for everything. Pedos and terrorists.Pedos and terrorists.Pedos and terrorists. The media is doing its part of not reporting this, and overplaying the pedos and terrorists fear-mongering with their dateline shows, and constant accusations of terrorism at every corner.

My advice is to go back to paying for everything with cash. What was once the bastion of freedom, is now becoming the very construct that the government is going to use to monitor us. Yes you can use a proxy or a VPN, but even they have their risks. Unless you know the proxy personally, then someone else can monitor your web traffic, and therefore your usernames and passwords etc. Not to mention its hell-a-slow!

Thats the problem with torproject...it doesnt encryp. I would suggest that if you want to go down that route, you use &quot;JAP&quot;, as it encrypts, sends to a prxy, which encryps and sends to another proxy to encrypt again so the proxy can&#039;t even see your data. As you&#039;d imagine...its also slow.

In the future, you may have to come off the grid all together to avoid the snooping. OR of course, we could actually revolt against it...but thats aint gonna happen in this lifetime, with the vegetable population of the west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like every other day there is a new law coming out which is looking to monitor us through the internet. Yes, this one might be quashed, or what not, but there are always new ones coming up, and some do get through. Gone are the golden years of the 90s. You have to remember that the law makers were out of touch old men, so back then they didn&#8217;t know much about the internet. However, there is a new generation who, although far from being &#8216;tech-savvy&#8217;, are a lot more aware of the power and scope of the web, and even more worryingly (for them) is that they don&#8217;t control it!</p>
<p>This news item is more an indication of the trend we are seeing more and more. It the same old thing, with the same rhetoric. We have to be able to monitor you, cause of pedos and terrorists. Thats their excuse for everything. Pedos and terrorists.Pedos and terrorists.Pedos and terrorists. The media is doing its part of not reporting this, and overplaying the pedos and terrorists fear-mongering with their dateline shows, and constant accusations of terrorism at every corner.</p>
<p>My advice is to go back to paying for everything with cash. What was once the bastion of freedom, is now becoming the very construct that the government is going to use to monitor us. Yes you can use a proxy or a VPN, but even they have their risks. Unless you know the proxy personally, then someone else can monitor your web traffic, and therefore your usernames and passwords etc. Not to mention its hell-a-slow!</p>
<p>Thats the problem with torproject&#8230;it doesnt encryp. I would suggest that if you want to go down that route, you use &#8220;JAP&#8221;, as it encrypts, sends to a prxy, which encryps and sends to another proxy to encrypt again so the proxy can&#8217;t even see your data. As you&#8217;d imagine&#8230;its also slow.</p>
<p>In the future, you may have to come off the grid all together to avoid the snooping. OR of course, we could actually revolt against it&#8230;but thats aint gonna happen in this lifetime, with the vegetable population of the west.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon Geeks! The world needs you! 

Build security and privacy into all our internet tools!

All email should be encrypted. All surfing anonymous. Everything should be by proxy and end-to-end encrypted, so Big Brother and the snoopy IT guy can have no idea what you are doing.

Step up, geeks! Be heroes! Only you can do this. 

Microsoft isn&#039;t going to do it. The government isn&#039;t going to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon Geeks! The world needs you! </p>
<p>Build security and privacy into all our internet tools!</p>
<p>All email should be encrypted. All surfing anonymous. Everything should be by proxy and end-to-end encrypted, so Big Brother and the snoopy IT guy can have no idea what you are doing.</p>
<p>Step up, geeks! Be heroes! Only you can do this. </p>
<p>Microsoft isn&#8217;t going to do it. The government isn&#8217;t going to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 - Noel - &lt;i&gt;It seems odd to me that the Conservatives are preaching smaller government...&lt;/i&gt;

Preaching is one thing, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/govt58a-eng.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reality&lt;/a&gt; proves something else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 &#8211; Noel &#8211; <i>It seems odd to me that the Conservatives are preaching smaller government&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Preaching is one thing, <a href="http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/govt58a-eng.htm" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">reality</a> proves something else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: brm</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/19/canadian-government-looks-to-increase-web-surveillance-to-an-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-1541193</link>
		<dc:creator>brm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell does &quot;sex exploitation&quot; mean? This is very different than &quot;sex with minors.&quot; Are they going to apply &quot;sex exploitation&quot; even when the other person agrees to the sex?

Ripe for abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell does &#8220;sex exploitation&#8221; mean? This is very different than &#8220;sex with minors.&#8221; Are they going to apply &#8220;sex exploitation&#8221; even when the other person agrees to the sex?</p>
<p>Ripe for abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who might not be up to date on Canadian parliament, non financial government bills can be defeated without triggering an election in a minority government situation. This bill is unlikely to pass, the Tories only need one opposition party to support it, but as it is not a confidence motion, there is no particular pressure to support anything right of the party platform. These posts about proposed Canadian laws come up on this blog a lot, but because we have had a minority government for the last few years, not many of the really crazy ones have gone into effect. While our government might be right of centre at the moment, they can&#039;t enact any of their War Measures Act style bills without support. It seems odd to me that the Conservatives are preaching smaller government one moment and coming out with these things the next. I would be surprised if this bill made it past the second reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who might not be up to date on Canadian parliament, non financial government bills can be defeated without triggering an election in a minority government situation. This bill is unlikely to pass, the Tories only need one opposition party to support it, but as it is not a confidence motion, there is no particular pressure to support anything right of the party platform. These posts about proposed Canadian laws come up on this blog a lot, but because we have had a minority government for the last few years, not many of the really crazy ones have gone into effect. While our government might be right of centre at the moment, they can&#8217;t enact any of their War Measures Act style bills without support. It seems odd to me that the Conservatives are preaching smaller government one moment and coming out with these things the next. I would be surprised if this bill made it past the second reading.</p>
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