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	<title>Comments on: Reversing Windows 7 to XP gets yet another reprieve – again &#8211; sort of</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 38 DataCabbitKSW said,  &quot;There are a number of reasons to move from XP to Windows 7 for somewhat older PC users.&quot;

Better pile on the RAM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 38 DataCabbitKSW said,  &#8220;There are a number of reasons to move from XP to Windows 7 for somewhat older PC users.&#8221;</p>
<p>Better pile on the RAM.</p>
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		<title>By: DataCabbitKSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DataCabbitKSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of reasons to move from XP to Windows 7 for somewhat older PC users. As an example, Windows 7 includes built-in DVD player support and solid CODECs for h.264 and h.264 AVC, AAC (not FairPlay protected), and numerous others. No need to buy a seperate DVD player program or install CODEC packs that may or may not include malware, or just be poorly written/compiled (see early demuxer add-ins for example). Simplified networking, including better support and handling of WiFi. All of these kinds of things require third party software addons to work under Windows XP. So if you look at it in regards to feature products, Windows 7 will be worth it compared to spending another few hundred dollars buying seperate software that may not work together. I have used Windows 7 and will be (based on price) buying licenses for a good number of my home machines to switch out from Windows 2000, XP, and upgrade from Vista.  I will still keep using my linux file servers and development boxes, but my primary and work machines will be moved over once the final version hits stores on October 22nd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of reasons to move from XP to Windows 7 for somewhat older PC users. As an example, Windows 7 includes built-in DVD player support and solid CODECs for h.264 and h.264 AVC, AAC (not FairPlay protected), and numerous others. No need to buy a seperate DVD player program or install CODEC packs that may or may not include malware, or just be poorly written/compiled (see early demuxer add-ins for example). Simplified networking, including better support and handling of WiFi. All of these kinds of things require third party software addons to work under Windows XP. So if you look at it in regards to feature products, Windows 7 will be worth it compared to spending another few hundred dollars buying seperate software that may not work together. I have used Windows 7 and will be (based on price) buying licenses for a good number of my home machines to switch out from Windows 2000, XP, and upgrade from Vista.  I will still keep using my linux file servers and development boxes, but my primary and work machines will be moved over once the final version hits stores on October 22nd.</p>
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		<title>By: frankie</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 23 Guyver said,  on June 19th, 2009 at 9:35 am

 Cars and Airplanes don’t make those kind of milestones in the same window of time.

Aerodynamics as we understand it hasn’t really changed much...

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This is the most dumb-assed thing I&#039;ve heard all week.  Aerodynamics evolves constantly.  New airfoils are constantly being improved every day.  You must be a public school teacher, nobody else would be as fatuously clueless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 23 Guyver said,  on June 19th, 2009 at 9:35 am</p>
<p> Cars and Airplanes don’t make those kind of milestones in the same window of time.</p>
<p>Aerodynamics as we understand it hasn’t really changed much&#8230;</p>
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<p>This is the most dumb-assed thing I&#8217;ve heard all week.  Aerodynamics evolves constantly.  New airfoils are constantly being improved every day.  You must be a public school teacher, nobody else would be as fatuously clueless.</p>
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		<title>By: mcteapot</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcteapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope to run Win XP for ever! It is the best OS Microsoft will ever make...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to run Win XP for ever! It is the best OS Microsoft will ever make&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Camp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Camp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not confused. Do what you&#039;re told.

See how easy that was? Just like having a Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not confused. Do what you&#8217;re told.</p>
<p>See how easy that was? Just like having a Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBoyBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigBoyBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish MS would take a page from Apple&#039;s book and offer a cheap upgrade.  I have over 300 XP workstations at work, a cheap upgrade would be a partial incentive to move to win7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish MS would take a page from Apple&#8217;s book and offer a cheap upgrade.  I have over 300 XP workstations at work, a cheap upgrade would be a partial incentive to move to win7.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'nKangaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'nKangaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft is including the ability to run XP from inside Windows 7 in a virtual machine to buyers of the Win 7 Pro, Enterprise, or Ultimate.  If I understand Paul Thurrott correctly, MS is giving buyers of any of those 3 versions their own copy of XP to run as a VM.  Done rite, businesses would love this because they would get to run the latest OS and still keep using legacy applications.

Here&#039;s a link to his description

http://winsupersite.com/win7/xp_mode_preview.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft is including the ability to run XP from inside Windows 7 in a virtual machine to buyers of the Win 7 Pro, Enterprise, or Ultimate.  If I understand Paul Thurrott correctly, MS is giving buyers of any of those 3 versions their own copy of XP to run as a VM.  Done rite, businesses would love this because they would get to run the latest OS and still keep using legacy applications.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to his description</p>
<p><a href="http://winsupersite.com/win7/xp_mode_preview.asp" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://winsupersite.com/win7/xp_mode_preview.asp' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://winsupersite.com/win7/xp_mode_preview.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: hazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked as a contractor for Queensland Health, it took them 2 years, that&#039;s right 2 years, to roll out SP2 for XP, I am not kidding.

Can you imagine how long it will take them to upgrade to a different OS? Allowing them to run XP stops them from saying &quot;fuck it, lets migrate everything to Linux.&quot;

Smart move MS, fuckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked as a contractor for Queensland Health, it took them 2 years, that&#8217;s right 2 years, to roll out SP2 for XP, I am not kidding.</p>
<p>Can you imagine how long it will take them to upgrade to a different OS? Allowing them to run XP stops them from saying &#8220;fuck it, lets migrate everything to Linux.&#8221;</p>
<p>Smart move MS, fuckers.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30 Some of my friends who are tech journalists have been keeping me updated.  From their testing it seems much better than Vista.  Sounds like you are having similar experience.  Thanks for the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 Some of my friends who are tech journalists have been keeping me updated.  From their testing it seems much better than Vista.  Sounds like you are having similar experience.  Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: The0ne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28

Can&#039;t comment on Vista since I left the camp long ago. But for Windows7 I&#039;m sure you be surprise and happy. Have you given it a shot yet? I have the RC 7100 running on various Desktops and laptops and everything installed and ran fine on the get go. Was a shocker even to me.

I&#039;ve also converted 2 laptops crawling with Vista Premium and they&#039;re now running smoothly WITH Aero on integrated graphics O.o Overall it&#039;s more polished than Vista and it should be a consideration for an XP upgrade imo.

Check it out, you just might like it. If not, well...ditch it like I&#039;ve ditched Vista :) Never hurts to try for yourself instead of having others tell you right :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t comment on Vista since I left the camp long ago. But for Windows7 I&#8217;m sure you be surprise and happy. Have you given it a shot yet? I have the RC 7100 running on various Desktops and laptops and everything installed and ran fine on the get go. Was a shocker even to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also converted 2 laptops crawling with Vista Premium and they&#8217;re now running smoothly WITH Aero on integrated graphics O.o Overall it&#8217;s more polished than Vista and it should be a consideration for an XP upgrade imo.</p>
<p>Check it out, you just might like it. If not, well&#8230;ditch it like I&#8217;ve ditched Vista <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Never hurts to try for yourself instead of having others tell you right <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ron.traweek</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron.traweek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We - the company I work for - just went through a week long engagement with Microsoft and Sogeti to determine what it would take to upgrade our environment from XP to Windows 7. The amount of work to repackage and re-verify all of our applications would be incredible. From what I hear support for XP in the form of patches etc... completely runs out in 2014. Even calculating the cost of moving to Windows 7 is no easy task.

If you are an individual or a small shop with a few apps that stop working or being deployable you can overcome that. If you are a large shop say health care with over 30K workstations and suddenly your EMR or cardio imaging has problems it&#039;s a completely different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We &#8211; the company I work for &#8211; just went through a week long engagement with Microsoft and Sogeti to determine what it would take to upgrade our environment from XP to Windows 7. The amount of work to repackage and re-verify all of our applications would be incredible. From what I hear support for XP in the form of patches etc&#8230; completely runs out in 2014. Even calculating the cost of moving to Windows 7 is no easy task.</p>
<p>If you are an individual or a small shop with a few apps that stop working or being deployable you can overcome that. If you are a large shop say health care with over 30K workstations and suddenly your EMR or cardio imaging has problems it&#8217;s a completely different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 27 Aaron_W said,  &quot;Why would anyone want to use XP for home use is beyond me.&quot;

Because it works as well or better than Vista with less hardware resources?  Probably why Vista failed in the enterprise...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 27 Aaron_W said,  &#8220;Why would anyone want to use XP for home use is beyond me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because it works as well or better than Vista with less hardware resources?  Probably why Vista failed in the enterprise&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron_W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron_W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vista SP1 is a rock solid OS, Windows 7 is better.  I have a hard time with XP these days since it feels like using Win95 in comparison.  I used Vista on a Toshiba with integrated video and it flew on 2GB of RAM. Windows 7 is like a spit polished Vista.  Why would anyone want to use XP for home use is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vista SP1 is a rock solid OS, Windows 7 is better.  I have a hard time with XP these days since it feels like using Win95 in comparison.  I used Vista on a Toshiba with integrated video and it flew on 2GB of RAM. Windows 7 is like a spit polished Vista.  Why would anyone want to use XP for home use is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: The0ne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17
As #23 pointed out your examples are not exactly in the same industry. Competition is much healthier and fast pace where software is concern.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to stay with XP myself. However, if there is no support in the near future it will eventually degrade. It is even more enticing for hackers to use XP due to the amount of users out there and to users like yourself. Then consider the business/corporate world. I don’t think it would be a pretty sight to imagine 
Now Vista is not perfect and I absolutely hate it even after several attempts to use it. Windows7 is much like Vista or rather Vista should have been what Windows7 is shaping up to be. It’ll take time for it to stabilize to a certain point but you will have the support still. Sure you don’t have to switch but eventually you’ll be left behind in the dust for whatever service or productivity you’re using your PC for.
Embrace the change. If it sucks gripe and bitch about it like some of us did with Vista and you might get a better product  The griping and bitching includes not supporting or buying the product as well hehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17<br />
As #23 pointed out your examples are not exactly in the same industry. Competition is much healthier and fast pace where software is concern.<br />
Don’t get me wrong, I want to stay with XP myself. However, if there is no support in the near future it will eventually degrade. It is even more enticing for hackers to use XP due to the amount of users out there and to users like yourself. Then consider the business/corporate world. I don’t think it would be a pretty sight to imagine <br />
Now Vista is not perfect and I absolutely hate it even after several attempts to use it. Windows7 is much like Vista or rather Vista should have been what Windows7 is shaping up to be. It’ll take time for it to stabilize to a certain point but you will have the support still. Sure you don’t have to switch but eventually you’ll be left behind in the dust for whatever service or productivity you’re using your PC for.<br />
Embrace the change. If it sucks gripe and bitch about it like some of us did with Vista and you might get a better product  The griping and bitching includes not supporting or buying the product as well hehe</p>
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		<title>By: rzwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rzwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why stop at XP? let&#039;s downgrade to ME or Win98... and if this is a downgrade shouldn&#039;t it be a downgrade to Vista???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why stop at XP? let&#8217;s downgrade to ME or Win98&#8230; and if this is a downgrade shouldn&#8217;t it be a downgrade to Vista???</p>
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