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		<title>By: soundwash</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543683</link>
		<dc:creator>soundwash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor after thought:

Now..being &quot;locked&quot; in a wheelchair for some 29 years, if I could go back in time,
I would not have changed a single thing.

I was very athletic (not sports, but solo stuff-biking, skating, hang gliding, gliders, rapids, mountain climbing etc)

Having all that taken from me allowed me 
to explore Life at the fabric level (and all it&#039;s connections and nuance) to such a degree that i now cannot bear to think how shallow i might have been had i not had this side of Life to complement the other.

It took me about 15 years before the cloud of anger and disappointment of the injury washed away. -but wow, what a great payoff when it did..

-s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor after thought:</p>
<p>Now..being &#8220;locked&#8221; in a wheelchair for some 29 years, if I could go back in time,<br />
I would not have changed a single thing.</p>
<p>I was very athletic (not sports, but solo stuff-biking, skating, hang gliding, gliders, rapids, mountain climbing etc)</p>
<p>Having all that taken from me allowed me<br />
to explore Life at the fabric level (and all it&#8217;s connections and nuance) to such a degree that i now cannot bear to think how shallow i might have been had i not had this side of Life to complement the other.</p>
<p>It took me about 15 years before the cloud of anger and disappointment of the injury washed away. -but wow, what a great payoff when it did..</p>
<p>-s</p>
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		<title>By: soundwash</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543677</link>
		<dc:creator>soundwash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah...no.

I can say with certainty that a huge part
of his insight comes from being locked in
his chair to the Nth degree.

I had no clue (nor desire) i actually 
was very good at sound engineering and understanding how waveforms &amp; theory applies to much more than just music, 
until after I broke my back at 16 and ended up in a chair.

You may clone the potential, but it is 
the life experience and &lt;em&gt;the time in history&lt;/em&gt; that one is surrounded in that drives the mind to it&#039;s opinions 
and concepts.

They will be sorely disappointed in the clone they produce. -esp since any new theories that prove a current (global) theory (that is currently stated as fact) is wrong, will be suppressed or called quackery.

It is quite obvious they want to use a crippled genius just to help sidestep the ethics issue behind cloning a human.

They know they have a far better chance
of getting an &quot;emotional judgment&quot; in favour of cloning, than one based on science or facts. 

(science abandoned facts long ago - no profit)

-Just ask any lawyer.

-s

(-do you really think they would 
publish this clones thoughts if he *proved* Einstein&#039;s theories were wrong?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah&#8230;no.</p>
<p>I can say with certainty that a huge part<br />
of his insight comes from being locked in<br />
his chair to the Nth degree.</p>
<p>I had no clue (nor desire) i actually<br />
was very good at sound engineering and understanding how waveforms &amp; theory applies to much more than just music,<br />
until after I broke my back at 16 and ended up in a chair.</p>
<p>You may clone the potential, but it is<br />
the life experience and <em>the time in history</em> that one is surrounded in that drives the mind to it&#8217;s opinions<br />
and concepts.</p>
<p>They will be sorely disappointed in the clone they produce. -esp since any new theories that prove a current (global) theory (that is currently stated as fact) is wrong, will be suppressed or called quackery.</p>
<p>It is quite obvious they want to use a crippled genius just to help sidestep the ethics issue behind cloning a human.</p>
<p>They know they have a far better chance<br />
of getting an &#8220;emotional judgment&#8221; in favour of cloning, than one based on science or facts. </p>
<p>(science abandoned facts long ago &#8211; no profit)</p>
<p>-Just ask any lawyer.</p>
<p>-s</p>
<p>(-do you really think they would<br />
publish this clones thoughts if he *proved* Einstein&#8217;s theories were wrong?)</p>
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		<title>By: Misanthropic Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543417</link>
		<dc:creator>Misanthropic Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#93 - hazza,

&lt;i&gt;My kids fit into my life. Yes it required changes to my life but they ARE NOT the center of the world. I love them like they are but they don’t control it.&lt;/i&gt;

I didn&#039;t say that they need to be in control of you. I said that proper parenting of your kids should be more important than your own life. They should not control your life. They should receive proper discipline so they don&#039;t scream at the tops of their lungs in fancy restaurants during an 8PM dinner, for example. But, yes, they should be more important to you than your own happiness. They did not ask to be born. You owe them a huge responsibility to give them the best life possible. That does not mean spoiling them. It does mean putting their needs before your own.

That is my opinion as a non-parent. Discount it if you want. Disagree with it if you want. I am entitled to my opinion though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#93 &#8211; hazza,</p>
<p><i>My kids fit into my life. Yes it required changes to my life but they ARE NOT the center of the world. I love them like they are but they don’t control it.</i></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that they need to be in control of you. I said that proper parenting of your kids should be more important than your own life. They should not control your life. They should receive proper discipline so they don&#8217;t scream at the tops of their lungs in fancy restaurants during an 8PM dinner, for example. But, yes, they should be more important to you than your own happiness. They did not ask to be born. You owe them a huge responsibility to give them the best life possible. That does not mean spoiling them. It does mean putting their needs before your own.</p>
<p>That is my opinion as a non-parent. Discount it if you want. Disagree with it if you want. I am entitled to my opinion though.</p>
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		<title>By: mr. show</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543355</link>
		<dc:creator>mr. show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about combining the geniuses of Hawking and Dvorak? Should science make THIS happen? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about combining the geniuses of Hawking and Dvorak? Should science make THIS happen? <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cheapdaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543239</link>
		<dc:creator>cheapdaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be surprised if this is the result!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised if this is the result!<br />
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		<title>By: ke59</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543218</link>
		<dc:creator>ke59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if we went to that expense only to find that the clone wanted to pursue a career in ballet dancing?  Would the clone have an obligation to &quot;pay back the debt&quot; or would the clone be allowed to pursue his own identity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if we went to that expense only to find that the clone wanted to pursue a career in ballet dancing?  Would the clone have an obligation to &#8220;pay back the debt&#8221; or would the clone be allowed to pursue his own identity?</p>
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		<title>By: hazza</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543112</link>
		<dc:creator>hazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#64 &lt;i&gt;One should make that decision only if they are willing to assume the responsibility of proper parenting which should including putting one’s children &lt;b&gt;ahead,/b&gt; of oneself in importance.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Are you kidding? This stupid attitude is the cause of kids being so self centered and ignorant.

My kids fit into my life. Yes it required changes to my life but they ARE NOT the center of the world. I love them like they are but they don&#039;t control it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#64 <i>One should make that decision only if they are willing to assume the responsibility of proper parenting which should including putting one’s children <b>ahead,/b&gt; of oneself in importance.</b></i></p>
<p>Are you kidding? This stupid attitude is the cause of kids being so self centered and ignorant.</p>
<p>My kids fit into my life. Yes it required changes to my life but they ARE NOT the center of the world. I love them like they are but they don&#8217;t control it.</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1543022</link>
		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:#91... two words:

Old brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:#91&#8230; two words:</p>
<p>Old brain.</p>
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		<title>By: pguyton</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1542990</link>
		<dc:creator>pguyton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two words:  Brain Transplant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two words:  Brain Transplant!</p>
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		<title>By: killer duck</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1542899</link>
		<dc:creator>killer duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather see the California tax payers pay to clone the Octomom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather see the California tax payers pay to clone the Octomom.</p>
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		<title>By: The Monster's Lawyer</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1542865</link>
		<dc:creator>The Monster's Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say why not, but my clone disagrees with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say why not, but my clone disagrees with me.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1542861</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m opposed to cloning people with major medical problems unless we fix the problems first.

Hawking has stated that the drive to achieve what he has in the field of science is a direct result of his medical condition.

The money would be better spent educating some promising individuals if you are talking about tax money. 

If some person or organization wants to do it with a healthy gifted person I don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m opposed to cloning people with major medical problems unless we fix the problems first.</p>
<p>Hawking has stated that the drive to achieve what he has in the field of science is a direct result of his medical condition.</p>
<p>The money would be better spent educating some promising individuals if you are talking about tax money. </p>
<p>If some person or organization wants to do it with a healthy gifted person I don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1542828</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloning would also clone the illness that had him spend his adult life trapped in a crippled body.  Now if we could extract his knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloning would also clone the illness that had him spend his adult life trapped in a crippled body.  Now if we could extract his knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/21/should-stephen-hawking-be-cloned/comment-page-2/#comment-1542814</link>
		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, what if.... we clone Hawking and he becomes everything he was in the original.

Just think, he would again become a theoretical physicist, he would rediscover Hawking Radiation, and would eventually write &quot;A Brief History of Time&quot;... again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, what if&#8230;. we clone Hawking and he becomes everything he was in the original.</p>
<p>Just think, he would again become a theoretical physicist, he would rediscover Hawking Radiation, and would eventually write &#8220;A Brief History of Time&#8221;&#8230; again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always looked at human beings as 4 components.

1. Hardware: Obviously your body, genetics etc. 
2. Firmware: Everything you&#039;re born with, instincts, breathing, eyes blinking, basically everything to run your body and your survival. Babies are even hard wired to recognize their parents facial expressions and interact with other humans, etc
3. Software: You. Contains all of your algorithms of thinking, emotions and runs the bus to store everything in memory. It is self learning and extremely complex.
4. Ram: Your IQ and how much of all of this can be stored.

Software is the only thing your not born with. That develops over your life. Who knows, the brain can be just one giant wifi card and we&#039;re actually stored somewhere else. When we die we upload back up. How&#039;s that for cloud computing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always looked at human beings as 4 components.</p>
<p>1. Hardware: Obviously your body, genetics etc.<br />
2. Firmware: Everything you&#8217;re born with, instincts, breathing, eyes blinking, basically everything to run your body and your survival. Babies are even hard wired to recognize their parents facial expressions and interact with other humans, etc<br />
3. Software: You. Contains all of your algorithms of thinking, emotions and runs the bus to store everything in memory. It is self learning and extremely complex.<br />
4. Ram: Your IQ and how much of all of this can be stored.</p>
<p>Software is the only thing your not born with. That develops over your life. Who knows, the brain can be just one giant wifi card and we&#8217;re actually stored somewhere else. When we die we upload back up. How&#8217;s that for cloud computing?</p>
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