Comments on: Government Health Care Plan? 90% of Democrats, 75% of Independents, 50% of Republicans – say “YES” http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:46:20 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1546347 Misanthropic Scott Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:07:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1546347 #229 - PatDick, That's funny as all hell. You ignore my point while asserting that I have ignored yours. You're an even bigger ass than I thought. Do you or do you not have health insurance? #229 – PatDick,

That’s funny as all hell. You ignore my point while asserting that I have ignored yours. You’re an even bigger ass than I thought.

Do you or do you not have health insurance?

]]> By: Patrick http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1545534 Patrick Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:44:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1545534 #228 Address the point Scott. It is NOT the gov's job to tell what I must buy for my personal use. Face it your argument is having the Fed gov do something that is blatantly unconstitutional. If you can't address my point don't bother typing. #228 Address the point Scott. It is NOT the gov’s job to tell what I must buy for my personal use. Face it your argument is having the Fed gov do something that is blatantly unconstitutional. If you can’t address my point don’t bother typing.

]]> By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1545514 Misanthropic Scott Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:54:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1545514 #227 - Patrick, So, are you honestly saying you do not have health insurance? I would think you'd be smart enough to select a plan from among those Radio Shack is offering this year. If it's not United Healthcare robbing you blind, then it's BC/BS or Aetna or CIGNA or some other health insurance company. I'm sure yours also pays the CEO an obscene amount of money for the express purpose of denying health care to their insureds. http://tinyurl.com/6d8jww #227 – Patrick,

So, are you honestly saying you do not have health insurance?

I would think you’d be smart enough to select a plan from among those Radio Shack is offering this year.

If it’s not United Healthcare robbing you blind, then it’s BC/BS or Aetna or CIGNA or some other health insurance company. I’m sure yours also pays the CEO an obscene amount of money for the express purpose of denying health care to their insureds.

http://tinyurl.com/6d8jww

]]> By: Patrick http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1545503 Patrick Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:25:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1545503 # 191 Misanthropic Scott said, "You’re still missing the point. It’s the CEO of United Healthcare earning $130,000,000/yr who is robbing you blind." Nope, not if I'm not buying. My choice, not yours. YOU are missing the point about freedom and why this country was founded in the 1st place... # 191 Misanthropic Scott said, “You’re still missing the point. It’s the CEO of United Healthcare earning $130,000,000/yr who is robbing you blind.”

Nope, not if I’m not buying. My choice, not yours. YOU are missing the point about freedom and why this country was founded in the 1st place…

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544699 Mr. Fusion Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:53:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544699 #223, SL, As I understand, there are three levels of specs. The first are consumer items which must be the same as what is sold to consumers. Things such as bar soap and food. These are generally "off the shelf" items for general use. The next level are items for government use and must meet higher, stricter requirements. Uniforms, writing pens and paper, desks, furniture, etc. The third are mission critical use. Everything used in an airplane is mission critical. I remember Senator Proxmire (sp) years ago railed about the $600 ashtray without mentioning how it had to meet this requirement. As I recall these ashtrays were for use in very long range patrol aircraft and the number required was very few. All civilian aircraft are under similar requirements, only they get more a little more leeway as they can transfer the item over many planes. #223, SL,

As I understand, there are three levels of specs. The first are consumer items which must be the same as what is sold to consumers. Things such as bar soap and food. These are generally “off the shelf” items for general use.

The next level are items for government use and must meet higher, stricter requirements. Uniforms, writing pens and paper, desks, furniture, etc.

The third are mission critical use. Everything used in an airplane is mission critical. I remember Senator Proxmire (sp) years ago railed about the $600 ashtray without mentioning how it had to meet this requirement. As I recall these ashtrays were for use in very long range patrol aircraft and the number required was very few.

All civilian aircraft are under similar requirements, only they get more a little more leeway as they can transfer the item over many planes.

]]> By: Uncle Patso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544649 Uncle Patso Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:00:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544649 225th! # 180 Mr. Fusion said, in part: "I hope Aunty is feeling better. My best to her." Much better; thank you kindly. 225th!

# 180 Mr. Fusion said, in part:

“I hope Aunty is feeling better. My best to her.”

Much better; thank you kindly.

]]> By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544409 Misanthropic Scott Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:22:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544409 #220 - LL, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. #220 – LL,

I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks.

]]> By: Sea Lawyer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544401 Sea Lawyer Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:10:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544401 #216, and yes, of course, if you really need a specially made hammer, then that is what you need. But if you are just hammering nails for a construction project, then any old hammer will likely do. The problem was that everything that was procured had to be specced, which greatly increased the costs, as you very accurately detailed. But that mandatory requirement is no longer in place these days. #216, and yes, of course, if you really need a specially made hammer, then that is what you need. But if you are just hammering nails for a construction project, then any old hammer will likely do. The problem was that everything that was procured had to be specced, which greatly increased the costs, as you very accurately detailed. But that mandatory requirement is no longer in place these days.

]]> By: Sea Lawyer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544398 Sea Lawyer Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:03:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544398 Above was directed at #216. Above was directed at #216.

]]> By: Sea Lawyer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544397 Sea Lawyer Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:03:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544397 #126, Fusion, who was blaming Gore? I was giving him credit for pushing the regulatory reforms that happened. I still remember him going on Letterman when he was running for VP in 1992 and demonstrating the $100 (I've made that number up obviously) ashtrays that the government was required to buy. Things are MUCH better than they used to be. #126, Fusion, who was blaming Gore? I was giving him credit for pushing the regulatory reforms that happened. I still remember him going on Letterman when he was running for VP in 1992 and demonstrating the $100 (I’ve made that number up obviously) ashtrays that the government was required to buy. Things are MUCH better than they used to be.

]]> By: LibertyLover http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544345 LibertyLover Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:40:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544345 #219, I have nothing but geeks working for me (I'm the Head Geek In Charge). I'm always looking for talent and I don't really care what their politics are as long as the can do their job. #219, I have nothing but geeks working for me (I’m the Head Geek In Charge). I’m always looking for talent and I don’t really care what their politics are as long as the can do their job.

]]> By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544280 Misanthropic Scott Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:38:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544280 #218, Are you trying to track me down? I'm a geek. #218, Are you trying to track me down? I’m a geek.

]]> By: LibertyLover http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544217 LibertyLover Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:57:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544217 #217, What do you do for a living? #217, What do you do for a living?

]]> By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544186 Misanthropic Scott Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:44:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544186 #214 - LL, The cost of living may be lower, but likely so is the income level. If my percentage disposable income remains the same, it leaves me with a higher number of dollars, which makes travel easier. Of course, nothing is easy right now ... #214 – LL,

The cost of living may be lower, but likely so is the income level. If my percentage disposable income remains the same, it leaves me with a higher number of dollars, which makes travel easier.

Of course, nothing is easy right now …

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/22/government-health-plan-90-of-democrats-75-of-independents-50-of-republicans-%e2%80%93-say-%e2%80%9cyes%e2%80%9d/comment-page-5/#comment-1544171 Mr. Fusion Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:13:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=51357#comment-1544171 #212, SL, <i>Instead of just buying a hammer off the shelf, they would contract the creation of a special milspec hammer.</i> A hammer is not just a hammer. Unless you know the requirements of the hammer there is no legitimate criticism. For example, and I'm pulling this out my ass, the hammer might have been non-conducting, be a certain weight, have a hitting face with specific characteristics, an energy limiter on the handle, etc. In short, we don't know even what this hammer was to be used for. As for the DoD's requirements, I notice you totally lost the argument when you instituted Gore's name to blame. #212, SL,

Instead of just buying a hammer off the shelf, they would contract the creation of a special milspec hammer.

A hammer is not just a hammer. Unless you know the requirements of the hammer there is no legitimate criticism. For example, and I’m pulling this out my ass, the hammer might have been non-conducting, be a certain weight, have a hitting face with specific characteristics, an energy limiter on the handle, etc. In short, we don’t know even what this hammer was to be used for.

As for the DoD’s requirements, I notice you totally lost the argument when you instituted Gore’s name to blame.

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