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	<title>Comments on: California asks, &#8220;Wanna buy a cute, slightly used state? Today only, $24 billion.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Fusion said,
&quot;Now that is a great opinion. If you don’t like something, withhold the taxes. I guess that leads to the question, then who will pay any taxes? ....................&quot;

That&#039;s not quite where I was going with my comment, but be careful.  If you insert the right tax funded item (abortion, death penalty, war in Iraq, etc), most people would definitely say I don&#039;t want their tax money to go to that.

What I was complaining about was I feel very unrepresented by the State of California Legislature.  They appear to work for the special interest groups that fund their campaign funds, not for me or you. They continually create programs and push agendas that the State cannot possible fund in the long term. 
And when you have &quot;Taxation without representation&quot;, people in this country eventually tend to do something extreme about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Fusion said,<br />
&#8220;Now that is a great opinion. If you don’t like something, withhold the taxes. I guess that leads to the question, then who will pay any taxes? &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite where I was going with my comment, but be careful.  If you insert the right tax funded item (abortion, death penalty, war in Iraq, etc), most people would definitely say I don&#8217;t want their tax money to go to that.</p>
<p>What I was complaining about was I feel very unrepresented by the State of California Legislature.  They appear to work for the special interest groups that fund their campaign funds, not for me or you. They continually create programs and push agendas that the State cannot possible fund in the long term.<br />
And when you have &#8220;Taxation without representation&#8221;, people in this country eventually tend to do something extreme about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/01/california-asks-wanna-buy-a-cute-slightly-used-state-today-only-24-billion/comment-page-2/#comment-1548526</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple fix. Start charging the mega-rich, living in CA., real and significantly more taxes. They&#039;re all there making a huge bundle while living in that state. And probably getting to use the lion&#039;s share of state resources to do it. But probably have bribed state representatives to keep their taxes low (or non-existent). And all this special interest wheeling and dealing, has strapped the state for cash. Plus the import biz uses CA. ports to bring in cheaply priced goods, that put americans out of a job. So up the tariffs, to compensate Arnie. And stop putting it all on the back of people without jobs and their own lobbyists.

Suddenly, Arnold, the clever businessman, isn&#039;t doing so well running the state. Eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple fix. Start charging the mega-rich, living in CA., real and significantly more taxes. They&#8217;re all there making a huge bundle while living in that state. And probably getting to use the lion&#8217;s share of state resources to do it. But probably have bribed state representatives to keep their taxes low (or non-existent). And all this special interest wheeling and dealing, has strapped the state for cash. Plus the import biz uses CA. ports to bring in cheaply priced goods, that put americans out of a job. So up the tariffs, to compensate Arnie. And stop putting it all on the back of people without jobs and their own lobbyists.</p>
<p>Suddenly, Arnold, the clever businessman, isn&#8217;t doing so well running the state. Eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/01/california-asks-wanna-buy-a-cute-slightly-used-state-today-only-24-billion/comment-page-2/#comment-1548414</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35, Steve,

&lt;i&gt;The legislature obviously did not care about my (or other voter’s) opinion about what services I was willing to pay for (and how much) so don’t expect me to pay for them.&lt;/i&gt;


Now that is a great opinion. If you don&#039;t like something, withhold the taxes. I guess that leads to the question, then who will pay any taxes?

I don&#039;t like the police, so no tax money for them. The military spend way too muuch, no tax money for them. I don&#039;t attend school, so no tax money for them. I didn&#039;t get picked top go to the Space Station, so no tax money for them. The Department of Agriculture didn&#039;t stop the latest contaminated hamburg problem so no tax money for them. Homeland security allowed some illegal aliens to enter the country, so no tax money for them. I disagree with several Supreme Court opinions, so no tax money for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35, Steve,</p>
<p><i>The legislature obviously did not care about my (or other voter’s) opinion about what services I was willing to pay for (and how much) so don’t expect me to pay for them.</i></p>
<p>Now that is a great opinion. If you don&#8217;t like something, withhold the taxes. I guess that leads to the question, then who will pay any taxes?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the police, so no tax money for them. The military spend way too muuch, no tax money for them. I don&#8217;t attend school, so no tax money for them. I didn&#8217;t get picked top go to the Space Station, so no tax money for them. The Department of Agriculture didn&#8217;t stop the latest contaminated hamburg problem so no tax money for them. Homeland security allowed some illegal aliens to enter the country, so no tax money for them. I disagree with several Supreme Court opinions, so no tax money for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick's Cafe</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/01/california-asks-wanna-buy-a-cute-slightly-used-state-today-only-24-billion/comment-page-2/#comment-1548380</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick's Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA is a great example of what happens when Republicans(by defination) start behaving as Democrats(by defination) - there is no one left to say; &quot;Let&#039;s not spend money we don&#039;t have&quot;.  

Result is a whole lot of money is given to a bunch of people who&#039;s primary ability in life is to convincingly lie to an audience so well that they give away their vote.

Is it any wonder that we&#039;re in the mess we&#039;re in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA is a great example of what happens when Republicans(by defination) start behaving as Democrats(by defination) &#8211; there is no one left to say; &#8220;Let&#8217;s not spend money we don&#8217;t have&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Result is a whole lot of money is given to a bunch of people who&#8217;s primary ability in life is to convincingly lie to an audience so well that they give away their vote.</p>
<p>Is it any wonder that we&#8217;re in the mess we&#8217;re in.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/01/california-asks-wanna-buy-a-cute-slightly-used-state-today-only-24-billion/comment-page-2/#comment-1548331</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 34 Don Quixote said,
&quot;No new taxes to pay for all the stuff you now want.&quot;

No.  More like no new taxes to pay for all the stuff that other people told me I want.  If other people want that stuff then let them pay for it.  The legislature obviously did not care about my (or other voter&#039;s) opinion about what services I was willing to pay for (and how much) so don&#039;t expect me to pay for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 34 Don Quixote said,<br />
&#8220;No new taxes to pay for all the stuff you now want.&#8221;</p>
<p>No.  More like no new taxes to pay for all the stuff that other people told me I want.  If other people want that stuff then let them pay for it.  The legislature obviously did not care about my (or other voter&#8217;s) opinion about what services I was willing to pay for (and how much) so don&#8217;t expect me to pay for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/01/california-asks-wanna-buy-a-cute-slightly-used-state-today-only-24-billion/comment-page-2/#comment-1548291</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans unable to compete with the common sense of Obama are now working in the background, still trying to do as Limbaugh wants by killing the country one bite at a time at state level.  No new taxes to pay for all the stuff you now want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans unable to compete with the common sense of Obama are now working in the background, still trying to do as Limbaugh wants by killing the country one bite at a time at state level.  No new taxes to pay for all the stuff you now want.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/01/california-asks-wanna-buy-a-cute-slightly-used-state-today-only-24-billion/comment-page-2/#comment-1548276</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9
&lt;i&gt;Prop 13 has got to go.&lt;/i&gt;
Said from someone that does not own a house. 

#20
You mean like Grey Davis who got swindled by Enron? A liberal Democrat in office would only make it worse. A moderate Democrat (which means fiscally conservative) would be the equivalent of Arnold (a moderate Republican).


Again, I ask how is it that the State with one of the largest personal tax rates and one of the largest populations and the largest budget cannot live within that budget? 

The problem is that the CA Democrats only want to quick fix this year&#039;s problem. The CA Republicans are opposed to raising taxes without any solution to prevent them from getting into this problem next year. Without an actual fix, we&#039;ll be here again next year and they&#039;ll just want to again raise taxes ad infinitum.

#31
And the Democrats are continuing to establish themselves as a party that cannot understand the fundamentals of economics. Don&#039;t spend money you don&#039;t have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9<br />
<i>Prop 13 has got to go.</i><br />
Said from someone that does not own a house. </p>
<p>#20<br />
You mean like Grey Davis who got swindled by Enron? A liberal Democrat in office would only make it worse. A moderate Democrat (which means fiscally conservative) would be the equivalent of Arnold (a moderate Republican).</p>
<p>Again, I ask how is it that the State with one of the largest personal tax rates and one of the largest populations and the largest budget cannot live within that budget? </p>
<p>The problem is that the CA Democrats only want to quick fix this year&#8217;s problem. The CA Republicans are opposed to raising taxes without any solution to prevent them from getting into this problem next year. Without an actual fix, we&#8217;ll be here again next year and they&#8217;ll just want to again raise taxes ad infinitum.</p>
<p>#31<br />
And the Democrats are continuing to establish themselves as a party that cannot understand the fundamentals of economics. Don&#8217;t spend money you don&#8217;t have.</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29 - MikeN  - &lt;i&gt;Hey Dallas, the only reason Arnold is Governor is because voters hated the fiscal mess created by Gray Davis.&lt;/i&gt;

But they must love Arnold&#039;s fiscal mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29 &#8211; MikeN  &#8211; <i>Hey Dallas, the only reason Arnold is Governor is because voters hated the fiscal mess created by Gray Davis.</i></p>
<p>But they must love Arnold&#8217;s fiscal mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/01/california-asks-wanna-buy-a-cute-slightly-used-state-today-only-24-billion/comment-page-2/#comment-1548230</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hhmmm, it seems to me that the Republicans are increasingly becoming the party of exclusion and single minded ideas. Yup, a great way to alienate most voters and remain in the dustbin of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hhmmm, it seems to me that the Republicans are increasingly becoming the party of exclusion and single minded ideas. Yup, a great way to alienate most voters and remain in the dustbin of history.</p>
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		<title>By: raddad</title>
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		<dc:creator>raddad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t they just pull out the 2005 budget and use it?  Mission accomplished!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t they just pull out the 2005 budget and use it?  Mission accomplished!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dallas, the only reason Arnold is Governor is because voters hated the fiscal mess created by Gray Davis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dallas, the only reason Arnold is Governor is because voters hated the fiscal mess created by Gray Davis.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fine lawmakers of California should be arrested and keep in lockdown until they do their jobs. 

The only thing wrong with California is Californians. There would seem to be enough wrong with them to destroy the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fine lawmakers of California should be arrested and keep in lockdown until they do their jobs. </p>
<p>The only thing wrong with California is Californians. There would seem to be enough wrong with them to destroy the state.</p>
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		<title>By: nahun</title>
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		<dc:creator>nahun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20

Real conservatives left the Republicans a while a go. They aren&#039;t conservative, they are just Democrats at a slower speed. When your representative no longer represents any of your principles and opinions whatsoever, you leave them behind.

I have conservative/libertarian views, and by no means Republican or Democrat, they are the same in my view.

The conservatives&#039; plan is not to abandon ship, but do what #17 said.

And having Obama appoint a democrat governor is so insanely unconstitutional it just boggles my mind. That would be a dictatorship since the people have no voice to appoint their own governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20</p>
<p>Real conservatives left the Republicans a while a go. They aren&#8217;t conservative, they are just Democrats at a slower speed. When your representative no longer represents any of your principles and opinions whatsoever, you leave them behind.</p>
<p>I have conservative/libertarian views, and by no means Republican or Democrat, they are the same in my view.</p>
<p>The conservatives&#8217; plan is not to abandon ship, but do what #17 said.</p>
<p>And having Obama appoint a democrat governor is so insanely unconstitutional it just boggles my mind. That would be a dictatorship since the people have no voice to appoint their own governor.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 sound ..  I actually side with Arnold. The logical solution is dramatic spending cuts proportional to the revenue shortfall. Period 

Cuts across the board .  It&#039;s not only logical, it&#039;s fair. No sacred cows .

I would also tax the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 sound ..  I actually side with Arnold. The logical solution is dramatic spending cuts proportional to the revenue shortfall. Period </p>
<p>Cuts across the board .  It&#8217;s not only logical, it&#8217;s fair. No sacred cows .</p>
<p>I would also tax the church.</p>
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		<title>By: knowitall</title>
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		<dc:creator>knowitall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And California seems to be Obama&#039;s model for the whole country...


&quot;You aren&#039;t taxed enough, faceless government busybodies don&#039;t control enough of your life, and there aren&#039;t enough barely-literate education bureaucrats in your schools.&quot;

This should be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And California seems to be Obama&#8217;s model for the whole country&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;You aren&#8217;t taxed enough, faceless government busybodies don&#8217;t control enough of your life, and there aren&#8217;t enough barely-literate education bureaucrats in your schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>This should be fun.</p>
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