Providing a service like health care for all, would actually increase my own personal liberty tremendously

Taking money from other people to increase your own personal liberty doesn’t strike you as being selfish?

I’m selfish but I don’t expect others to give me what they have.

Everything else in your post, to me, seemed nothing more than a justification for that one desire — your ego “wants” therefore “it is the right thing to do.”

That is the point I was trying to make.

You just love to put words into the mouths of others. No. I don’t have any strong feelings about it at all.

It makes me feel bad to pay my own money to give to oil companies to make their executives wealthy and to support a dying energy source.

It makes me feel bad to pay my own money to blow people up in a foreign country without adequate reason.

It makes me feel bad to pay my own money to give it to wealthy executives of health insurance companies for the purpose of NOT providing me health care.

It makes me feel bad to pay my own money to provide military escort to oil tankers when there is plenty of money in the corporate coffers for them to pay for the service.

And yet, I do all of these things every single day.

I would rather our tax dollars go to help people in need.

I would rather pay the U.S. government personally for my health insurance since the person deciding whether or not I get care will at least have the job title of providing rather than denying care.

I would rather have corporations pay for dumping their waste products, regardless of whether they are PCBs, mercury, or CO2. Why is the last of these different?

There are a great many things I would prefer to see differently.

Taxing wealthy individuals to provide a minimum safety net for those less fortunate does not bother me. Providing a service like health care for all, would actually increase my own personal liberty tremendously AND LOWER ALL OF OUR INDIVIDUAL BILLS. Sometimes, we can find win-win situations where we actually take less money from people and provide more. Health care is a prime example.

Does that clear things up sufficiently for the moment?

No. You are way off the mark with liberals. Sorry. I may be closer with my remarks about libertarians than you are with your remarks about liberals, though I wasn’t trying to be.

It makes you feel good to take money from people to help other people, right?

I wasn’t refuting your statement. I was merely taking it as an invitation for open season on libertarians the same way you were stating your opinion of liberals. I was hoping you might see how far off the mark your claims about liberals were if I made similar claims about libertarians.

I guess my ridiculous claims were not far from the mark. Yikes!!

Admit it cannot be refuted so we can move on.

Liberals –

Sounds hypocritical to me.

If you say so … OK, you are an anarchist. Since you want to reduce taxes to zero with all due haste, we can simply do away with all of the services provided by government. We don’t need roads, police, firefighters, air traffic controllers, what little public transportation we have in the nation (most of which is thankfully in my home town), trash removal, sewage treatment, public water, courts, laws, defense (necessary despite my hatred for its current state, which could more accurately be called offense), …

What else did I miss?

A clarification for your files:
Republican(modern defination=McCain,etal) is not an interchangeable classification with conservative.

I get it now. You can state how you think non-liberals think but they can’t state they same thing about you?

Sounds hypocritical to me.

At one time I was told Libertarians were “selfish” because they didn’t believe in being forced to help someone else.

If anything, you proved my point. In your mind, anything “you” think is for the good of all is beyond reproach. Everyone else is wrong. What I spoke was the truth. Say it, live it, love it.

#127, No, I said a suicide bomber does less damage than liberals. Suicide bombers only kill a handful of people. Liberals destroy entire civilizations. And conservatives aren’t any better.

BTW, McCain (The last choice for presidential candidate by EVERYBODY that I know.) would have NEVER gotten my vote if it not been for Sarah Palin. She was the backbone of that ticket. McCain just wanted to “Have fun.” How stupid was that??????????????

I have become an independent because of the above and Republicans who are such weak wimps.
Get a darn backbone and fight for this country.
Lu

I get it now. You believe that the American version of a “liberal” is actually a communist circa 1956. Now that you’ve explained that, I will recirculate that.

Thanks for speaking up for us liberals. We’re obviously incapable of speaking for ourselves and need people like you to foist your false beliefs about our beliefs on the world.

Why not stick to stating your own beliefs and let liberals speak ours?

Or, are you so opposed to freedom that you do not even believe those with opposing beliefs to your own should not be allowed to speak their piece.

Liberals believe in two things, primarily: 1) Liberty. 2) Helping those less fortunate than ourselves.

And, we do put our money where our mouths are. I’m not only asking others who are well off to pay more. I’m offering to do so myself. My own politics would raise my own taxes.

I prefer to pay less just like the next guy. But, not when it means that the next guy can only get health care when in critical condition by going to the emergency room, and then only to a public hospital that is far inferior to any that I would consider walking into.

So, do me a favor, stop speaking for me. You don’t really know what goes on in the mind of a liberal and you don’t care enough to listen and find out.

Funny how honesty has that effect on people.